Hindu Milk Miracle

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The Hindu Milk Miracle is one of the best documented cases of a religious phenomenon, and as of yet there are no satisfactory scientific explanations. The statues appear to have actually been ‘drinking’ milk by the gallons.

This website has some videos of the original event in September 1995. It apparently happened again in August of last year. Seems to be something genuinely preternatural.

What does the Church make of supposed miracles in other religions?

What do you think? Can a bona fide miracle happen in a pagan religion? Especially one that seems to affirm idol-worship? Could this be some kind of demonic activity?
 
The Church has the same opinion of alleged miracles that are reported by those in other religions as it has of those reported by Catholics. Until the event is investigated by the Church and proven to be of supernatural origin, no miracle has occurred. Until that supernatural origin is proven to be Divine, not demonic, no Divine intervention has occurred. Since the Church has no interest in such reports from non-Catholics and no authority to investigate what is alleged to occur in a non-Catholic venue, no such investigation will happen, so no pronouncement whatever will be made by the Church. Catholics have no monopoly on mass hysteria and credulity.
 
I couldn’t see the video. It locked up while downloading – demonically possessed computer, perhaps?😃 (sorry, I couldn’t resist. Sometimes I hate my computer!):banghead:

The Wikipedia article suggests capillary action, which the scientists say they proved through use of food coloring, but “several liters per day” couldn’t be held in the statue. If it was distributed (via absorption) over a wide surface area, quick evaporation might be possible.

I’m surprised that this was called the most documented miracle in modern times. EWTN showed videos of consecrated hosts becoming bloodied, and Padre Pio’s stigmata was well-documented.

Your question is interesting, and I’ve sometimes wondered the same thing. What is the Church’s position regarding miracles involving non-Catholics? I have done no research on this matter, so maybe the answer is easy to find, or maybe not, but I’d like to know.

I posted a thread a few days ago involving Cris Angel, but have not had any replies yet.
 
“Seeking to explain the phenomenon, scientists from India’s Ministry of Science and Technology travelled to a temple in New Delhi and made an offering of milk containing a food colouring. As the level of liquid in the spoon dropped, it became obvious that after the milk disappeared from the spoon, it coated the statue beneath where the spoon was placed. With this result, the scientists offered capillary action as an explanation; the surface tension of the milk was pulling the liquid up and out of the spoon, before gravity caused it to run down the front of the statue.[1]” from the Wikipedia article you quited.

Also, if memory serves, the ‘miracle’ first occured in a Hindu temple in the disputed Kashmir area, where there was talk of demolishing it to build a mosque.

When a ‘miracle’ involving supernatural events like this happens, even within the Catholic Church, we need to ask what ‘fruits’ it bears. God doesn’t do magic tricks.

In cases of weeping statues of Our Lady, it has been known for them to do this in cases where there is some serious sin or major issue in the Church. Often the miracle is a wake-up call to the congregation. In the cases of healing miracles, the fruit is obvious, somebody was sick, and they are healed, alleluia! Apparitions of Our Lord or one of the Saints, when they are genuine ones, not just some random burn-mark on a tortilla, again tend to bring an obvious message or blessing to some person connected to them.

It’s not clear what benefit the statues drinking milk brought to anybody, other than India’s dairy farmers.
 
wiki is not a proper source being open to anyone to contribute
the lack of an explanation (if that is the case) does not mean a supernatural one is correct, most likely or should even be entertained
 
First, I think, one needs to define “miracle” for the purposes of the discussion. Is that term limited to big splashy occurrences or is it as properly applied to smaller, more mundane events as well, such as someone in desparate need of money suddenly finding $50 in a coat pocket in the closet just in the nick of time? Is it a miracle? It is to the person who needed and prayed for it–it certainly is often attributed to divine intervention.
 
jack_hawkins said:
wiki is not a proper source being open to anyone to contribute
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Probably a discussion for another thread, but my son and I were having a discussion about Wikipedia recently. As I recall, there was a reputable scientific journal (*Nature * perhaps?) that published a study showing that Wikipedia was as reliable as Encylopedia Britannica. Both had errors.

I understand that being open to anyone makes it open to erroneous information, but my point to my son was, if source documentation is important (law school for my son’s purpose, for instance), then by no means should Wikipedia be cited. However, if you simply have mild curiosity about a subject, then Wikipedia can be used, if you understand that the information may or may not be correct. I would never use Wikipedia as the final authority on any topic.

It’s like discussing a subject with a friend. If he’s not an expert, there’s a good chance he’ll be wrong, but it’s often good/interesting to hear his ideas. Wikipedia (and the Catholic Answers forums) is, to me, simply a storehouse of opinions from thousands of people around the world. Some opinions are valid, some less so, and some ludicrous. If it’s opinions about current events or similar, I like to hear opinions. If it’s a matter of faith and morals,I might listen to opinions of CA members, but for the bottom line I go to the Bible, Catechism, Magisterium, etc.
 
Neithan said:
The Hindu Milk Miracle is one of the best documented cases of a religious phenomenon, and as of yet there are no satisfactory scientific explanations. The statues appear to have actually been ‘drinking’ milk by the gallons.

This website has some videos of the original event in September 1995. It apparently happened again in August of last year. Seems to be something genuinely preternatural.

What does the Church make of supposed miracles in other religions?

What do you think? Can a bona fide miracle happen in a pagan religion? Especially one that seems to affirm idol-worship? Could this be some kind of demonic activity?
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I think that miracles can happen in every religion because all religions are connected together like a puzzle! So called hindu religions (there are about 7 major individual religions in India) are no idolatry but deeply monotheistic! After studying this whole matter for many years I came to the conclusion that so-called polytheism doesn’t even exist! In the most cases people don’t understand the cult in a special religion and call it diabolic or polytheistic! Shivaism is even very close to ancient Judaism! That means God is invisible, He appears in pillar of fire, the symbol is the star of David! Even the tonality Shiva - Jehova - Jupiter (piter means father in sanskrit) is the same word because oriental languages don’t write phonetic, just syllabs - and the dynamic S of Shiva is the Serpent which Moses erected in the desert! There are so many similarities! And Brahma is the Creator of the material Universe, the one with the long beard whom we see on the painting of Michelangelo! I could continue for a long time! There is also a close destiny between Rama and Roma - the posterity of Romolus was called Ramenses! The holy stone worshipped by the Muslim in Mekka is a Shiva Linga which Abraham brought from his forefathers! And there is a close relation between Krishna and Krishto - Christ! I think it is about time for the different religions to get closer and to understand finally that there is one GOD for all religions and all living beings and not just for the Christian human being! GOD is much bigger than we can imagine and HE LOVES ALL HIS OR HER CREATION!
 
Like DL82 showed, there may very well be a scientific explanation to this. However: phenomena =/= miracles. Coming from Islam, “miracles” are common place there too. In fact, a friend of mine once managed to pick up a bottle cap using nothing but the palm of his hand. When I couldn’t do it, he claimed to me that it was irfan, i.e. Islamic mysticism. Anyone can take an extraordinary event or ability and claim it a miracle.

A miracle would be a little girl in Portugal - eighty years ago - pretty much telling the future. Y’know, that’s just off the top of my head. 😉

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Neithan said:
The Hindu Milk Miracle is one of the best documented cases of a religious phenomenon, and as of yet there are no satisfactory scientific explanations. The statues appear to have actually been ‘drinking’ milk by the gallons.

This website has some videos of the original event in September 1995. It apparently happened again in August of last year. Seems to be something genuinely preternatural.

What does the Church make of supposed miracles in other religions?

What do you think? Can a bona fide miracle happen in a pagan religion? Especially one that seems to affirm idol-worship? Could this be some kind of demonic activity?
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Hmm…in the video you can literally see the milk dribbling down the front of the statue…miracle? :confused: No.
 
siraganda said:
I think that miracles can happen in every religion because all religions are connected together like a puzzle! So called hindu religions (there are about 7 major individual religions in India) are no idolatry but deeply monotheistic! After studying this whole matter for many years I came to the conclusion that so-called polytheism doesn’t even exist! In the most cases people don’t understand the cult in a special religion and call it diabolic or polytheistic! Shivaism is even very close to ancient Judaism! That means God is invisible, He appears in pillar of fire, the symbol is the star of David! Even the tonality Shiva - Jehova - Jupiter (piter means father in sanskrit) is the same word because oriental languages don’t write phonetic, just syllabs - and the dynamic S of Shiva is the Serpent which Moses erected in the desert! There are so many similarities! And Brahma is the Creator of the material Universe, the one with the long beard whom we see on the painting of Michelangelo! I could continue for a long time! There is also a close destiny between Rama and Roma - the posterity of Romolus was called Ramenses! The holy stone worshipped by the Muslim in Mekka is a Shiva Linga which Abraham brought from his forefathers! And there is a close relation between Krishna and Krishto - Christ! I think it is about time for the different religions to get closer and to understand finally that there is one GOD for all religions and all living beings and not just for the Christian human being! GOD is much bigger than we can imagine and HE LOVES ALL HIS OR HER CREATION!
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Hi siraganda: Agreed.

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
siraganda said:
I think that miracles can happen in every religion because all religions are connected together like a puzzle! So called hindu religions (there are about 7 major individual religions in India) are no idolatry but deeply monotheistic! After studying this whole matter for many years I came to the conclusion that so-called polytheism doesn’t even exist! In the most cases people don’t understand the cult in a special religion and call it diabolic or polytheistic! Shivaism is even very close to ancient Judaism! That means God is invisible, He appears in pillar of fire, the symbol is the star of David! Even the tonality Shiva - Jehova - Jupiter (piter means father in sanskrit) is the same word because oriental languages don’t write phonetic, just syllabs - and the dynamic S of Shiva is the Serpent which Moses erected in the desert! There are so many similarities! And Brahma is the Creator of the material Universe, the one with the long beard whom we see on the painting of Michelangelo! I could continue for a long time! There is also a close destiny between Rama and Roma - the posterity of Romolus was called Ramenses! The holy stone worshipped by the Muslim in Mekka is a Shiva Linga which Abraham brought from his forefathers! And there is a close relation between Krishna and Krishto - Christ! I think it is about time for the different religions to get closer and to understand finally that there is one GOD for all religions and all living beings and not just for the Christian human being! GOD is much bigger than we can imagine and HE LOVES ALL HIS OR HER CREATION!
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Yes, there are several interesting similarities between Shaiva and Judaism. For one, one of the names of Shiva is “Shivayave” (with the “v” between pronounced like a combined “v/w” sound).
 
siraganda said:
I think that miracles can happen in every religion because all religions are connected together like a puzzle! So called hindu religions (there are about 7 major individual religions in India) are no idolatry but deeply monotheistic! After studying this whole matter for many years I came to the conclusion that so-called polytheism doesn’t even exist! In the most cases people don’t understand the cult in a special religion and call it diabolic or polytheistic! Shivaism is even very close to ancient Judaism! That means God is invisible, He appears in pillar of fire, the symbol is the star of David! Even the tonality Shiva - Jehova - Jupiter (piter means father in sanskrit) is the same word because oriental languages don’t write phonetic, just syllabs - and the dynamic S of Shiva is the Serpent which Moses erected in the desert! There are so many similarities! And Brahma is the Creator of the material Universe, the one with the long beard whom we see on the painting of Michelangelo! I could continue for a long time! There is also a close destiny between Rama and Roma - the posterity of Romolus was called Ramenses! The holy stone worshipped by the Muslim in Mekka is a Shiva Linga which Abraham brought from his forefathers! And there is a close relation between Krishna and Krishto - Christ! I think it is about time for the different religions to get closer and to understand finally that there is one GOD for all religions and all living beings and not just for the Christian human being! GOD is much bigger than we can imagine and HE LOVES ALL HIS OR HER CREATION!
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Do you know what I think on the issue? I think that God has written in our minds his image and existence, which leads all different people to acknowlege the spiritual and concieve God in their minds. You are saying essentially the same thing as me!
 
Today I am coming back with some loving thoughts on Holy Mother Mary! She is very dear to me and I would like to talk about her appearances and miracles! For me She is not ‘only’ the Mother of Jesus Christ but also the personification of ‘Pacha Mama’ - Mother Earth, and much more! Gaia - as the Greek say or Go - Bhumi - as mention the Hindus where She appears as the Universal Mother in the shape of a lovely milk giving cow! For this reason the hindus would never kill a cow - out of deep respect! This is logic - indeed - God puts his loving look upon Her and Mother Earth conceives!

In this connection it is very interesting to mention the different appearances and the conditions in which She appeared! There is a connection between all Her appearances! They are not isolated! And She appeared always within the elements!

Guadalupe - Fire
Carmel - Earth
Fatima - Ether
Medjogorje - Air
La Salette - Ray of Light

and the most beautiful and significant was Lourdes where She appeared in the symbol of Water! She told Holy Bernadette to kiss the Earth and to put Earth on her face and to eat green leaves from the trees, this means She told her to eat vegetarian food! Then Bernadette started to eat leaves from the treas and grass and to cover her face with earth but the people laughed at her and nobody understood the meaning! Making a connection with the milk miracle - I think - we can say that TODAY we understand the meaning! This message is loud and clear!

God bless you!
 
Hidu people are so much believe in their Gods.They do anything to praise the God on the other hand everything happens as God want.That’s why they believe in Indian astrology so much.
 
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