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From Sochi; I am curious as how, given your faith background (nominally mine as well) you came to this rather magnificent, and imho, accurate conclusion?
Good Afternoon Sochi: I sort of grew into it over time. I have always been interested in science and have read a good deal of texts from other religions, because I had reasoned that they all must lead back to the source. Some years back I decided that the only way to know anything about God was through direct personal felt and immediate experience. I actually borrowed that particular idea from Terrence McKenna.

youtube.com/watch?v=d6Uv_dWYM90

I tried it. I got my own show on the road. I stepped out of line and starting just kicking the can down the road to see where it went. He was right. In my case, it’s been a search for truth, and the truth is that God is simply everywhere. People, animals, trees, rocks, planets, the universe. It’s great. There’s so much love. The best part is that no one is going to save me, because nothing is lost. It’s all one thing. Over time, I have come to see the holiness in all creatures. We all have it. I even talk to them. The reason I know that I’m still sane is because animals and plants and rocks don’t answer of course. But they do react. And if it comes to pass that I’m insane, at least I’m very happy.

Thanks,
Gary
 
Good Afternoon Sochi: I sort of grew into it over time. I have always been interested in science and have read a good deal of texts from other religions, because I had reasoned that they all must lead back to the source. Some years back I decided that the only way to know anything about God was through direct personal felt and immediate experience. I actually borrowed that particular idea from Terrence McKenna.

youtube.com/watch?v=d6Uv_dWYM90

I tried it. I got my own show on the road. I stepped out of line and starting just kicking the can down the road to see where it went. He was right. In my case, it’s been a search for truth, and the truth is that God is simply everywhere. People, animals, trees, rocks, planets, the universe. It’s great. There’s so much love. The best part is that no one is going to save me, because nothing is lost. It’s all one thing. Over time, I have come to see the holiness in all creatures. We all have it. I even talk to them. The reason I know that I’m still sane is because animals and plants and rocks don’t answer of course. But they do react. And if it comes to pass that I’m insane, at least I’m very happy.

Thanks,
Gary
For clarification, what I tried and continue to do is to explore my own mind and the world around me as a direct experience. I have not tried the substances McKenna mentions.

Thanks
Gary
 
For clarification, what I tried and continue to do is to explore my own mind and the world around me as a direct experience. I have not tried the substances McKenna mentions.

Thanks
Gary
Yes, I watched the video, though I’ve seen it before. And I would in no way hold it against you if you had tried some of those substances. University studies have shown that psilocybin is useful in repairing brain damage, treating Alzheimer’s, and imbuing a greater sense of Unicity. Cannabis is known to be one of the most curative plants on Earth, as well as having remarkable economic potentials that in great part led to its demonization. And the list goes on.

There is, as well, no other show ever than your own, and only the sense of Identity relative to those thoughts can change. So I see you as having made some very great strides in self awareness that are uncommon in people of entrenched, inculcated, and unexamined faith of any stripe, religious or political. So who else have you been interested in? Do you know of Ken Wilber?
 
Yes, I watched the video, though I’ve seen it before. And I would in no way hold it against you if you had tried some of those substances. University studies have shown that psilocybin is useful in repairing brain damage, treating Alzheimer’s, and imbuing a greater sense of Unicity. Cannabis is known to be one of the most curative plants on Earth, as well as having remarkable economic potentials that in great part led to its demonization. And the list goes on.

There is, as well, no other show ever than your own, and only the sense of Identity relative to those thoughts can change. So I see you as having made some very great strides in self awareness that are uncommon in people of entrenched, inculcated, and unexamined faith of any stripe, religious or political. So who else have you been interested in? Do you know of Ken Wilber?
Hi Sochi: I have had some minimal exposure to Ken Wilber when I was looking into some ideas about holograms. I had always planned to read more of him.

I didn’t find it so hard to reconcile Catholicism with personal observation. The only prerequisite is a willingness to let go of the shrink wrapped interpretations of it’ s core meanings that have been heavily trafficked for public consumption. To that end, I spent 3 years mapping the Bhagavad Gita to the New Testament, and another two years mapping the Gita to the Upanishads (which was considerably easier to do than the former). However, as I think you intimated earlier on, knowing such things at an intuitive or core level of realization is a whole different matter from a simple intellectual understanding. Oddly enough, it seems that you really have to forget it all to actually live it, but in order to forget it you have to learn it first. I’m not sure if that makes sense, but perhaps it’s like learning to fly the Space Shuttle. Once you get the hang of it, I imagine you can start to do some better flying once you can stop thinking about the particulars. As a matter of full disclosure, I have never flown the Space Shuttle.

As something of a Psychonaut, I do have some experience with cannabis, but mostly in conjunction with experimenting with lucid dreaming. I had to learn the lucid dreaming first. Lucid dreaming coupled with meditation has helped me to be much more intuitive, and I have started to place a higher value on such things lately, because it offers so many more approaches to the hearts of others and even to my own. I think that’s where it’s at - this sense of acceptance and adoration that starts to take over. I didn’t used to be like that, so however slowly, I am certain that I’m learning something.

Thanks
Gary
 
Hi Sochi: I have had some minimal exposure to Ken Wilber when I was looking into some ideas about holograms. I had always planned to read more of him.

I didn’t find it so hard to reconcile Catholicism with personal observation. The only prerequisite is a willingness to let go of the shrink wrapped interpretations of it’ s core meanings that have been heavily trafficked for public consumption. To that end, I spent 3 years mapping the Bhagavad Gita to the New Testament, and another two years mapping the Gita to the Upanishads (which was considerably easier to do than the former). However, as I think you intimated earlier on, knowing such things at an intuitive or core level of realization is a whole different matter from a simple intellectual understanding. Oddly enough, it seems that you really have to forget it all to actually live it, but in order to forget it you have to learn it first. I’m not sure if that makes sense, but perhaps it’s like learning to fly the Space Shuttle. Once you get the hang of it, I imagine you can start to do some better flying once you can stop thinking about the particulars. As a matter of full disclosure, I have never flown the Space Shuttle.

As something of a Psychonaut, I do have some experience with cannabis, but mostly in conjunction with experimenting with lucid dreaming. I had to learn the lucid dreaming first. Lucid dreaming coupled with meditation has helped me to be much more intuitive, and I have started to place a higher value on such things lately, because it offers so many more approaches to the hearts of others and even to my own. I think that’s where it’s at - this sense of acceptance and adoration that starts to take over. I didn’t used to be like that, so however slowly, I am certain that I’m learning.

Thanks
Gary
Since you two seem to be so deep into studying these things, perhaps you would like to know who the Hindu Gods are and where they come from: Anyway, you can read about them at thehindugods.com (that gets us back on topic too).
 
Since you two seem to be so deep into studying these things, perhaps you would like to know who the Hindu Gods are and where they come from: Anyway, you can read about them at thehindugods.com (that gets us back on topic too).
Thank you Openmind: I especially like the cross reference chart between chakras and elements. The only Chakras I have had much luck with are the Ajna and Anahata. I guess being in touch with the Anahata makes sense for me since it deals with wind and air. In my case, hot air 🙂 Sorry for hijacking the thread for a while there.
 
Since you two seem to be so deep into studying these things, perhaps you would like to know who the Hindu Gods are and where they come from: Anyway, you can read about them at thehindugods.com (that gets us back on topic too).
Nice exposition. Thanks, Openmind! I’ve never seen one like that.
 
Since you two seem to be so deep into studying these things, perhaps you would like to know who the Hindu Gods are and where they come from: Anyway, you can read about them at thehindugods.com (that gets us back on topic too).
Nice to see another Hinduism thread here. And thanks for the link!
 
Nice to see another Hinduism thread here. And thanks for the link!
Those are not our true gods, they are the gods of much later puranic Hinduism (i.e. of exoteric Hinduism). Krishna, Rama, Shiva, Ganesha, Hanuman etc are not our true gods.

These are our true Gods. The gods of the Vedic Aryans. (The original Hindus)
List of Rigvedic deities by number of dedicated hymns, after Griffith (1888). Some dedications are to paired deities, such as Indra-Agni, Mitra-Varuna, Soma-Rudra, here counted doubly.
Indra 289, Agni 218, Soma 123 (most of them in the Soma Mandala), Vishvadevas 70, the Asvins 56, Varuna 46 [2], the Maruts 38, Mitra 28[2], Ushas 21, Vayu (Wind) 12, Savitr 11, the Rbhus 11, Pushan 10, the Apris 9, Brhaspati 8, Surya (Sun) 8, Dyaus and Prithivi (Heaven and Earth) 6, plus 5.84 dedicated to Earth alone, Apas (Waters) 6, Adityas 6, Vishnu 6, Brahmanaspati 6, Rudra 5, Dadhikras 4, the Sarasvati River / Sarasvati 3, Yama
Parjanya (Rain) 3, Vāc (Speech) 2 (mentioned 130 times, deified e.g. in 10.125), Vastospati 2, Vishvakarman 2, Manyu 2, Kapinjala (the Heathcock, a form of Indra) 2
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad - Many Gods One Brahman
Chapter IX—Yajnavalkya and Vidaghdha
  1. Then Vidaghdha, the son of Sakala, asked him: “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” Yajnavalkya ascertained the number through the group of mantras known as the Nivid and said: “As many as are mentioned in the Nivid of the Visve—devas— three hundred and three and three thousand and three.” “Very good,” said Sakalya (the son of Sakala) and asked again: “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” “Thirty—three.” “Very good,” said Sakalya and asked again: “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” “Six.” “Very good,” said Sakalya and asked again: “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” “Three.” “Very good,” said Sakalya and asked again: “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” “Two.” “Very good,” said Sakalya and asked again: “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” “One and a half.” “Very good,” said Sakalya and asked again: “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” “One.” “Very good,” said Sakalya and asked: “Which are those three hundred and three and those three thousand and three?”
  1. Yajnavalkya said: “There are only thirty—three gods. These others are but manifestations of them.” “Which are these thirty—three?” “The eight Vasus, the eleven Rudras and the twelve Adityas— these are thirty—one. And Indra and Prajapati make up the thirty—three.”
  1. “Which are the Vasus?” asked Sakalya. "Fire, the earth, the air, the sky, the sun, heaven, the moon and the stars—these are the Vasus; for in them all this universe is placed (vasavah). Therefore they are called Vasus.
  1. “Which are the Rudras?” asked Sakalya. "The ten organs in the human body, with the mind as the eleventh. When they depart from this mortal body, they make one’s relatives weep. Because they make them weep (rud), therefore they are called Rudras.
  1. “Which are the Adityas?” asked Sakalya. “There are twelve months in the year. These are the Adityas, because they move along carrying (adadanah) all this with them; therefore they are called Adityas.”
  1. “Which is Indra and which is Prajapati?” asked Sakalya. “The thunderclap is Indra and the sacrifice is Prajapati.” “Which is the thunderclap?” “The thunderbolt.” “Which is the sacrifice?” “The animals.”
  1. “Which are the six gods?” asked Sakalya. “Fire, the earth, the air, the sky, the sun and heaven; for these six comprise all those.”
  1. “Which are the three gods?” asked Sakalya. “These three worlds, because all those gods are comprised in these three.” “Which are the two gods?” “Matter and the vital breath (prana).” “Which are the one and a half?” “This air that blows.”
  1. Yajnavalkya said: “Concerning this some say: ‘Since the air blows as one substance, how can it be one and a half (adhyardha)?’ The answer is: It is one and a half because by its presence everything attains surpassing glory (adhyardhnot).” “Which is the one God?” “The vital breath (Hiranyagarbha); it is Brahman which is called That (Tyat).”
We have one Supreme Aeon Hiranyagarbha(The Brahman) and all other gods emanated from him. So now we know as to how many gods are there and from whom they emanated from.

Krishan, Hanuman, Ganesha, Shiva, Rama are not our true gods and I do not worship them. Its better if Hindus stop claiming that the Vedas and the Upanishads forms their foundational canonical scriptures because none of what they say and what they follow and the gods they believe in is in accordance with the Vedas and the Upanishads. When Brahamanism rises Hinduism will be truly wiped out from the earth completely.

Its unfortunate that most intellectual Hindus are ignorant of their own religion, wish they studied their scriptures more deeply like the way Christians do.
 
Thanks to all three of you! What has been fascinating to me is the linguistic awkwardness that seems innate for any who attempts to verbalize “Eastern” ideas in what is essentially dualistic, linear, English. I have some ideas about that, which might be useful in clarifying what’s meant–for the sake of those who haven’t the knowledge you three do of the subject. So I wonder what you think about these points. I have highlighted what might serve as illustrations in blue.

I won’t argue that what I presented is any less awkward or more correct, but that there is a point of subtlety in talking about these ideas that I feel could more usefully addressed. What do y’all think?

*Interesting “handle.” I learned something. Thanks!
The problem is with the language, I just don’t find the right terminologies in the English language to fully convey my thoughts, that’s why I rather try to use more and more Greek terminologies to fully convey my thought.

Our whole psychology and epistemology is completely different from the western thought. According to Indian psychology mind and brain are two different things. The gods of the Vedas are not sky gods they do not belong to this empirical reality. In eastern thought we have clear cut terms for that called Antharmukh and Bahirmukh to distinguish the two realities.

Bahirmukh - It is our current state where we perceive the empirical reality due to the entanglement of the external mind and the external sense organs.

Antharmukh - It is the state which occurs when the external mind is disentangled from the external sense organs, this is how revelation of the divine happens and we have a methodology to achieve this state and its known as Samyama, a form of Yoga.

Yeah sometimes I do feel awkward explaining these concepts to the westerners because the terminologies are not just there in the English vocabulary, concepts otherwise which could have been easily explained by using a few simple Sanskrit words.

All these concepts sound completely alien to most of the western as well as the eastern minds.
 
Samyama, a form of Yoga.

Yeah sometimes I do feel awkward explaining these concepts to the westerners because the terminologies are not just there in the English vocabulary, concepts otherwise which could have been easily explained by using a few simple Sanskrit words.

All these concepts sound completely alien to most of the western as well as the eastern minds.
Well said, Pleroma, and thank you for referencing Samyama. RA Heinlein said that “In English, only the first person singular present of the verb ‘to be’ is true to fact.” And it is my understanding that some of the subtleties of Sanskrit are taught not even to scholars, as there is simply no ground in most humans for any useful psychological referencing of those extreme refinements. On top of all that, I agree with the Roman dictum that “All translators are liars.”

My Mentor claimed that when he lectured, he had one foot* each in samsara and nirvana, as described in a fascinating passage in a book by Franklin Merrell-Wolff (1). His discussion about that state reminds me very much of Samyama as laid out in your reference. In any case, when he spoke that way, he was clearly present and aware of the happenings in the room, and yet distinctly in another state of perception. It was rather fascinating to see him thus. A point of interest about that came from a Buddhist nun: she claimed that his use of English was such that it actually did convey many subtleties thought impossible to say in English. That was notable as well in that English was his only language, save for a smattering of French. I can’t verify what she said, but it was a rather interesting thing to hear, along with other comments from yogis, etc. In any case, his language became at those times more musical than grammatical, if that possibly makes any sense.

As for the general state of our understanding of our ability to have facility with language and its referent ideas, especially between what is left of Sanskrit and the falsehood inherent in English, I am reminded of a fascinating book called The Yugas (2) which claims that many of our difficulties, linguistic, relational, etc, stem from our place in the eonic cycle of the awareness of the Race as a whole. We are just now beginning to ascend again, according to the authors, from the nadir of that cyclic process, or Kali yuga. The argument that this is so, as put down in those pages, is nothing short of utterly fascinating, and tends to explain why Sanskrit is so refined, and English is so dense, to the point that it is a wonder that useful thought can happen through such a structure.

At any rate, all that is to say that I completely agree with the idea that language is a huge difficulty here, not only as a matter of translation, but in the inadequate correspondence of the one we commonly use with Reality as such. Just to throw some gasoline on that fire, it can be demonstrated (with some work on perception and the sense of identity) that the subject/object relationship paradigm we ordinarily take as our interaction with the world is false at its root.

*He used a lot of symbology, and when he said “foot” we understood it to refer to “understanding.”

(1) The Philosophy of Consciousness Without an Object, F M-W, Three Rivers Press, May 25, 1983

(2) Selbie and Steinmetz, Crystal Carity Publishers, 2010
 
Pleroma;Those are not our true gods, they are the gods of much later puranic Hinduism (i.e. of exoteric Hinduism). Krishna, Rama, Shiva, Ganesha, Hanuman etc are not our true gods.
These are our true Gods. The gods of the Vedic Aryans. (The original Hindus)
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad - Many Gods One Brahman
Good Morning Pleroma: I fully understand your discourse, and while I am a Catholic, I have a rather good comprehension of the terms you refer to as being alien to westerners in a later post, and I do understand the Sanskrit terminology. That said, and from the perspective of what you would consider to be an outsider, I think you may be taking a rather rigid view of something that has a bit more flux and nuance to it. For instance, you mention many Gods and one Brahman. Now forgive that I am going from memory rather than Wikipedia as many do, but in the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna details out what seems to be an evolutionary process that presents the revelation that no matter what God you are worshipping, it is in fact Krishna that you worship. And technically, He does not present himself as “a god.” He is of course a Mahavatar of Vishnu, who as you know is the sustaining element of the Trimurti. He goes on to give an account of how he is even more primary in nature than Brahman, and that in truth, he is the beginning, middle and end of all things, and that he is the imost self of all beings, and personally I find this in no way to be in conflict with the central teachings of the Upanishads.

Krishna goes on to list the Gods and says that if you worship these gods, they are in fact what you will encounter, however, they only offer limited benefits, because among all of them, he is the one source, and they are simply manifestations of him. He says that In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krishna who creates all and enjoys all.

It has been my view (if you will forgive my incursion into your religion) that the Bhagavad Gita is simply a developmental step in a culture that has wide and varying expressions of faith. It seems to provide a missing connectivity for the many and diverse writings of the culture from which it comes, and reveals a simple yet resounding truth that very much agrees with fundamental realities that anyone can reason for themselves.

My point is simply this. I am wondering if your statement that these are not are your true gods is a dismissal of writings such as the Ramayana and the Mahabharata? I am very open to that if you are, however, I am simply trying to understand you. Hopefully this won’t be the cause of any consternation, as I will openly admit that I have a hard time understanding hard core dogmatic ideas in my own religion, but I’m not sure what I’m dealing with here in regards to what you have said.

Thanks,
Gary
 
My point is simply this. I am wondering if your statement that these are not are your true gods is a dismissal of writings such as the Ramayana and the Mahabharata?
Its an internal problem, a cultural problem, a heritage which we have lost and requires revivalism soon. Ramayana and Mahabharata are the Puranas they do not form the soul of Hinduism, it is the Vedas and the Upanishads which are the soul of Hinduism and you won’t find Krishna or Rama there what we find is Indra, Varuna, Agni,Soma, Pushan, Yama, Mitra, Usha etc and ask how many Hindus truly believe in the literal existence of these Gods they would say we have not heard of them, they have forgotten these gods and these are and will always be the true gods of Hinduism.

Vedas and the Upanishads are the shruti means revealed scriptures and the puranas like Mahabharatha, Ramayana and Bhagavad Gita are smrithis important texts but not as authoritative as the Shruti texts.

The meaning of Shruti - Britannica Encyclopedia. Please understand it.

Hence as Britannica says instead of the Sruthi it is the Smrithis which is in more prevalence in modern Hinduism but that’s only half the truth and is completely in variance with ancient Hinduism. Krishna and Bhagvad Gita is not the complete truth, if you think it is you are very much mistaken about Hinduism. Hinduism is much more than that.

I will quote the great Aurobindo in order to explain the problem that we are currently facing in India and with Hinduism.
It is now several thousands of years since men ceased to study Veda and Upanishad for the sake of Veda or Upanishad. Ever since the human mind in India, more & more intellectualised, always increasingly addicted to the secondary process of knowledge by logic & intellectual ratiocination, increasingly drawn away from the true & primary processes of knowledge by experience and direct perception, began to dislocate & dismember the many sided harmony of ancient Vedic truth & parcel it out into schools of thought & systems of metaphysics, its preoccupation has been rather with the later opinions of Sutras & Bhashyas than with the early truth of Scripture. Veda & Vedanta ceased to be guides to knowledge & became merely mines & quarries from which convenient texts might be extracted, regardless of context, to serve as weapons in the polemic disputes of metaphysicians. The inconvenient texts were ignored or explained away by distortion of their sense or by depreciation of their value. Those that neither helped nor hindered the polemical purpose of the exegete were briefly paraphrased or often left in a twilit obscurity. For the language of the Vedantic writers ceased to be understood; their figures, symbols of thought, shades of expression became antique & unintelligible. Hence passages which, when once fathomed, reveal a depth of knowledge & delicacy of subtle thought almost miraculous in its wealth & quality, strike the casual reader today as a mass of childish, obscure & ignorant fancies characteristic of an unformed and immature thinking. Rubbish & babblings of humanity’s nonage an eminent Western scholar has termed them not knowing that it was not the text but his understanding of it that was rubbish & the babblings of ignorance. Worst of all, the spiritual & psychological experiences of the Vedic seekers were largely lost to India as the obscurations of the Iron Age grew upon her, as her knowledge contracted, her virtue dwindled & her old spiritual valiancy lost its daring & its nerve. Not altogether lost indeed for its sides of knowledge & practice still lived in cave & hermitage, its sides of feeling & emotion, narrowed by a more
exclusive & self-abandoned fervour, remained, quickened even in the throbbing intensity of the Bhakti Marga and the violent inner joys of countless devotees. But even here it remained dim&obscure, shorn of its fullness, dimmed in its ancient and radiant purity. Yet we think, however it may be with the Vedas we have understood & possess the Upanishads! We have understood a few principal texts & even those imperfectly; but of the mass of the Upanishads we understand less than we do of the Egyptian hieroglyphics and of the knowledge these great writings hold enshrined we possess less than we do of the wisdom of the ancient Egyptians. Dabhram evapi twam vettha Brahmano rupam! I have said that the increasing intellectualisation of the Indian mind has been responsible for this great national loss. Our forefathers who discovered or received Vedic truth, did not arrive at it either by intellectual speculation or by logical reasoning. They attained it by actual & tangible experience in the spirit,—by spiritual & psychological observation, as we may say, & what they thus experienced, they understood by the instrumentality of the intuitive reason. But a time came when men felt an imperative need to give an account to themselves & to others of this supreme&immemorial Vedic truth in the terms of logic, in the language of intellectual ratiocination. For the maintenance of the intuitive reason as the ordinary instrument of knowledge demands as its basis an iron moral & intellectual discipline, a colossal disinterestedness of thinking,—otherwise the imagination and the wishes pollute the purity of its action, replace, dethrone it and wear flamboyantly its name & mask; Vedic knowledge begins to be lost & the practice of life & symbol based upon it are soon replaced by formalised action & unintelligent rite & ceremony. Without tapasya there can be no Veda. This was the course that the stream of thought followed among us, according to the sense of our Indian tradition.
  • Aurobindo
We have had a great National loss and it needs some revivalism, this is not dogmatism or fundamentalism but a fight for the truth and for what is lost and I am quite determined to bring it back.
 
… it is the Vedas and the Upanishads which are the soul of Hinduism and you won’t find Krishna or Rama there what we find is Indra, Varuna, Agni,Soma, Pushan, Yama, Mitra, Usha etc…

We have had a great National loss and it needs some revivalism, this is not dogmatism or fundamentalism but a fight for the truth and for what is lost and I am quite determined to bring it back.
Good luck to you in your ‘fight’, but at the moment, there are no temples in India dedicated to ’ Indra, Varuna, Agni,Soma, Pushan, Yama, Mitra, Usha’ etc where active worship is going on and I doubt there ever will be.

In Hinduism as it is practiced today, the Gods are Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, the Goddesses, Ganesh, Hanuman, Kartikeya, NavaGraha and the incarnations of Vishnu - Rama and Krishna. I don’t think that will change in the near future (or in the distant future).

But please continue your determined efforts (this is a bit like Jehovah’s Witnesses among Christians, but even they believe in Jesus).
 
Good luck to you in your ‘fight’, but at the moment, there are no temples in India dedicated to ’ Indra, Varuna, Agni,Soma, Pushan, Yama, Mitra, Usha’ etc where active worship is going on and I doubt there ever will be.
I will raise their temples when I have earned enough cents and no one can stop me from doing that.
 
I will raise their temples when I have earned enough cents and no one can stop me from doing that.
Wouldn’t that be, erm, anachronistic? The Indo-Aryans did not conduct their yajñas in temples AFAIK. The Atritratra (aka the Agnicayana) for instance is conducted in a wooden structure intended to represent the house of the sacrificer, which is burned down at the completion of the sacrifice. If I were you, I would just build altars of earth or brick. Hey, that’s what they did.

You’re free to do what you want, but just take care of complaints supposing you do get around to performing animal sacrifices.
 
Wouldn’t that be, erm, anachronistic? The Indo-Aryans did not conduct their yajñas in temples AFAIK. The Atritratra (aka the Agnicayana) for instance is conducted in a wooden structure intended to represent the house of the sacrificer, which is burned down at the completion of the sacrifice. If I were you, I would just build altars of earth or brick. Hey, that’s what they did.

You’re free to do what you want, but just take care of complaints supposing you do get around to performing animal sacrifices.
I will raise their temples only to bring awareness of their existence in the Hindu pantheon not for offering yajnas and all. Mass worship drives you away from the gods.

one must ‘‘stand aside from all other pursuits’’ in order that ‘‘alone, one may associate with the solitary deity, and not attempt to join oneself to the One by means of multiplicity. For a person like this accomplishes the very opposite, and separates himself from the Gods.’’ - Proclus

And moreover why do we need temples to worship those gods who reside in our bodies.

http://www.goldenelixir.com/pics/heart_deities.gif

Inner Gods of Taoism

Macrocosm and the Microcosm

This is the typical Vedic Cosmogony of the Universe, the gods are not in temples, churches and mosques they reside in your bodies and govern you in all your actions, you do not have free will my friend. The future has already happened.
 
I will raise their temples when I have earned enough cents and no one can stop me from doing that.
Of course nobody can stop you and nobody should. I don’t know how many of you there are (maybe a dozen, maybe less?), so I don’t know how many new temples, you will manage to raise since they are needed for the whole subcontinent.

Also you have to convince almost a billion Hindus that they have been worshiping the wrong Gods for the last 6000 years (my estimate of Rama’s birth) and that they should now switch to Indra, Varuna, Agni,Soma, Pushan, Yama, Mitra, Usha etc.

BTW I do agree with you about one thing - the worship of Surya (the Sun God) needs to be revived (it exists but on a small scale). Surya is the main God in our solar system, and we need more temples built for him and he deserves more attention/worship (my personal request - start with Surya in your quest).

In any case, best of luck with your ‘fight’, one person (are there others?) against a billion misguided Hindus.
 
I’m just really curious about the Hindu religion.
Literally the only thing I know about Hinduism is that it is one of the four major world religions. My sister kind of described it as “If you took the opposite of everything in Christianity”, but she’s an atheist raised Catholic-ish so I really doubt she knows what she’s talking about. If there in anyone on here who is Hindu, I wonder if you could help me get an idea of what the religion is like (I’ve looked up some stuff online, but…it’s kind of confusing) Like, what are the core beliefs of Hinduism? Are there many denominations of Hinduism? Does it have a “religious book”, like the Bible or the Qu’ran? When was it founded? How was it founded? What sort of key principals might an adherent follow?

It’s really interesting because if you think about it, Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic (if I’m not mistaken) and even Buddhism is something we talked about a bit in history class, but Hinduism just seems completely left out. And I’m utterly curious about what it’s like, since I was raised so exclusively Catholic that I didn’t even know about other Christian denominations until I was a teenager, let about about religions like Hinduism. Now, I wanna know.
Before you get raked over the coals I would recommend Beliefnet.com as they have all the religions you can think of and a few that I have never heard of myself. They give an unbiased listing of beliefs, practices, and history of the different religions.
 
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