His children don't want us to marry

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My fiance is a widower. His wife died suddenly almost 3 years ago in front of his children who were 8 and 6 at the time. The youngest is also a sick child. The family did not go to church and it was not a Catholic home. I’m not sure the children even knew their father was Catholic. Their marriage was heading to divorce and they had already told the children.

He and I began dating about 6 months later. Yes, it was soon, I met the children about 9 months after their mother passed and moved in shortly after, with the encouragement of the children because I lived over an hour away. I recently found out that at the last minute, the older child said she changed her mind and didn’t want me to move in. *side note= From the time their mother passed away the children had stayed with their mothers parents because he worked nights, and even at this point, she still wasn’t spending the night at her fathers house. They stay at our house 2-3 nights a week and he says that was normal even before their mother died. He responded that it wasn’t as easy as her just changing her mind like that and said that it wasn’t all about her, and those words damaged their relationship beyond repair. From that moment on, she has felt he has chosen me over her and her sister.

The girls and I get along great, and the girls family says that they don’t think that I am really the problem, their father is. We have set a wedding date in August of this year, and the eldest child saw this as extreme betrayal. She feels that every change he has made, from cleaning up his foul language to going to church is my doing and had nothing to do with the life altering change of losing her mother, and wanting to be a good example (our living together aside).

Our priest suggested I adopt them with marriage because there is also some extreme manipulation issues from their mothers family side where they demand to see our finances and threaten to take away the girls when they get of age to say where they want to live…with death benefits from the government being their motive. My fiance hadn’t always stops up to them. Since his family is so far away, he feels these puerile are their family. He tears everyone, including the girls with kid gloves.

Last night, the child said some really hurtful things to him, on purpose. This is the 3rd time I’ve seen him hurt so badly. She blames us for everything from her hamsters dying to her dog running away. She even said her grandparents are her new mom and dad now and told him that hurts him, doesn’t it…now he must know what it feels like to be replaced. She’s wants to have a say in who her marries and she doesn’t want it to be me. She even said, “What’s 100 divided by 3?” (3 being him and the girls) he said, “33.3” She said well we don’t want you to get married so that’s 66.6! I should write that on your forehead because that’s what you are!"

At what point do you let a hurting child win? I can’t explain how much we all have been through together. It’s not like its just now getting hard. I don’t know what else to do.
 
For the good of his family he needs to break free from his wife’s family and get his life and his family in order before getting married again. I’ve lived with children being shuffled back and fourth between households and it never works out - especially with both competing for the placement of the children. Essentially they have two sets of competing parental role models and the children are pulled in two different directions. In this case the older daughter is learning how to pit those two competing forces against each other for her benefit and/or amusement.
 
You are living with your fiancee when there are children in the home? Sorry, not clear on that part.
 
Yes, we do live together and the children stay here part of the time. The other part of the time they are with his deceased wife’s family. That is excellent advice, Sam. I agree. Unfortunately, or efforts to do this cause extreme chaos in our house with the child…running away in the middle of the night, screaming, lashing, hitting, kicking, crying and sounding like she’s possessed really. Then the family says we aren’t looking out for the best interest of the children by forcing them to do things that clearly make them miserable after “they have been through so much.” And frankly, my fiance thus far has fallen for that every time. He’d rather be miserable without them than see them like that, but they just hate him more, the more he’s away from them.

Also, we have tried professional counseling twice. She refused to talk. The younger child loves me, but she’s highly influenced by the older, so she’ll go along with her when the older one is around, but in reality, the younger one and I have an incredibly strong bond and that’s no secret to anyone.
 
Sounds to me like there are issues that need resolution BEFORE you get married. I’m not talking about an 11 or 9 year old dictating what the adults do. I’m talking about the relationship issues. If the first marriage was headed to divorce…why was it? Have those issues been resolved?
 
For the good of his family he needs to break free from his wife’s family and get his life and his family in order before getting married again. I’ve lived with children being shuffled back and fourth between households and it never works out - especially with both competing for the placement of the children. Essentially they have two sets of competing parental role models and the children are pulled in two different directions. In this case the older daughter is learning how to pit those two competing forces against each other for her benefit and/or amusement.
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For the good of his family he needs to break free from his wife’s family and get his life and his family in order before getting married again. I’ve lived with children being shuffled back and fourth between households and it never works out - especially with both competing for the placement of the children. Essentially they have two sets of competing parental role models and the children are pulled in two different directions. In this case the older daughter is learning how to pit those two competing forces against each other for her benefit and/or amusement.
These people are not only the late wife’s relatives, they are the children’s grandparents.

The children have even lived with the grandparents, they have a bond with them. In their place, I could not imagine losing a daughter and having grandchildren and then their father deciding to break free of me, especially after having had the children live with me at their dad’s request.
 
The problem here is both grandparents and father are competing for the kids. They are not acting for the benefits of the kids (although they may subjectively think so) but for their own satisfaction!
 
These people are not only the late wife’s relatives, they are the children’s grandparents.

The children have even lived with the grandparents, they have a bond with them. In their place, I could not imagine losing a daughter and having grandchildren and then their father deciding to break free of me, especially after having had the children live with me at their dad’s request.
There is a difference between having a relationship and having children spend 5 nights a week in the home of the spouse that was about to be divorced. There is also the issue of the grandparents telling the husband they will try to seize custody of the children.

Basically this entire living situation is a mess.
 
These people are not only the late wife’s relatives, they are the children’s grandparents.

The children have even lived with the grandparents, they have a bond with them. In their place, I could not imagine losing a daughter and having grandchildren and then their father deciding to break free of me, especially after having had the children live with me at their dad’s request.
What I’m seeing is the the grandparents have BEEN the parents for some time here. Since the parents were having problems it was probably the grandparents who were the source of family stability.

It seems to me that this husband needs to take some time to become the PRIMARY parent to his children. He’s probably NEVER really been that. I’m not blaming him. It’s that way in a lot of families: The mother and grandparents have more to say in the children’s lives than the father does.

Once the children and grandparents understand the proper order of relationships it will be time for the fiancee to enter the picture.
 
These people are not only the late wife’s relatives, they are the children’s grandparents.

The children have even lived with the grandparents, they have a bond with them. In their place, I could not imagine losing a daughter and having grandchildren and then their father deciding to break free of me, especially after having had the children live with me at their dad’s request.
Exactly. And to have my son-in-law move a girlfriend into the marital home of my dead daughter? I’d be beside myself. I probably would want full custody.
 
What I’m seeing is the the grandparents have BEEN the parents for some time here. Since the parents were having problems it was probably the grandparents who were the source of family stability.

It seems to me that this husband needs to take some time to become the PRIMARY parent to his children. He’s probably NEVER really been that. I’m not blaming him. It’s that way in a lot of families: The mother and grandparents have more to say in the children’s lives than the father does.

Once the children and grandparents understand the proper order of relationships it will be time for the fiancee to enter the picture.
I agree.

He seemed to have allowed the maternal grandparents to have a large parenting role in his daughters’ life. Now there is a fiance, and he wants to change the entire family dynamic – the kids with him full time, limited grandparents, and a new adopted mom. If we do the math the girls are 11 and 9, losing a mother at that age is very traumatic.

Depending on the state, the grandparents could have a legitamate claim for custody or at least a very generous visitation agreement.
 
I know this is hard to hear, but you are causing the problem by living there. The family is not ready for you. The father may feel he is ready for you, but he has an obligation to aid his children in their grief before settling into his new companionship. Under no circumstances should you be living in the house with them. Not yet. Not until you are married, which will happen when the FAMILY is ready as a whole. Please, know that I say this to you with charity and love. Move out. That doesn’t mean you need to end your relationship. End the cohabitation. Give these children an opportunity to work through their emotions with their dad.
 
I know this is hard to hear, but you are causing the problem by living there. The family is not ready for you. The father may feel he is ready for you, but he has an obligation to aid his children in their grief before settling into his new companionship. Under no circumstances should you be living in the house with them. Not yet. Not until you are married, which will happen when the FAMILY is ready as a whole. Please, know that I say this to you with charity and love. Move out. That doesn’t mean you need to end your relationship. End the cohabitation. Give these children an opportunity to work through their emotions with their dad.
This. But I would take it even further and postpone the wedding and take a break from the relationship. This family needs to grieve, its not about the child “winning”, its putting the best interests of the children first. If you truly care about this man and his children, you will give them the time, no matter how long, to grieve the death of the mother and heal as a united family. Pushing a new marriage and a new step mom on the children this soon after the death of the mother, I can totally understand why the girls are acting out.
 
I know this is hard to hear, but you are causing the problem by living there. The family is not ready for you. The father may feel he is ready for you, but he has an obligation to aid his children in their grief before settling into his new companionship. Under no circumstances should you be living in the house with them. Not yet. Not until you are married, which will happen when the FAMILY is ready as a whole. Please, know that I say this to you with charity and love. Move out. That doesn’t mean you need to end your relationship. End the cohabitation. Give these children an opportunity to work through their emotions with their dad.
👍 Nicely stated! I pray she acts on your words of wisdom.
 
I know this is hard to hear, but you are causing the problem by living there. The family is not ready for you. The father may feel he is ready for you, but he has an obligation to aid his children in their grief before settling into his new companionship. Under no circumstances should you be living in the house with them. Not yet. Not until you are married, which will happen when the FAMILY is ready as a whole. Please, know that I say this to you with charity and love. Move out. That doesn’t mean you need to end your relationship. End the cohabitation. Give these children an opportunity to work through their emotions with their dad.
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Totally disagree to brake free from the Mother’s family, the children need that bound, this is all they have left about their mother. Your husband needs to establish boundaries instead.

My father was also a widow, and he got remarried two years after my mom died. We were all teenagers and left from home then. He didn’t ask our permission and expected from us to be reasonable, we loved him so much that we wanted him to be happy. Which none of us interferer ever, we were happy for him and she was a very nice person. Sadly, we literally lost our father after he got married, it was like now that i raised you, do your life. His priority became her and the children took the side track. We also will not receive any heritage upon his death if he pass before us, everything go to her. On the other hand, he is a very happy man and they are happy together. Also, this is his money and he cans do what ever he please. It is sad that my father felt he had to choose between us and her, he could love us all, but that is life.

My suggestion, is for you to talk with your husband to make sure that he will prioritize his children always. Then ask him if perhaps, your husband would talk with the children and reassure them that they will always be a priority in his life. When my husband was engaged to me, i forbid him ever to put me first but treat us the same because i understood the pain and i didn’t want them to experience this. Children needs to know they can count on their father. Not all men, but sometime, when they are in love with someone else, they may forget the need of their children. They don’t have the mother instinct and the poor kids, will be deprive from this important bound.

Try to feel for the children, they are orphan of a mother and now, they may feel they will lose their father. If this is only a money issue, then perhaps you can discuss with your husband what is right and then get a clear will to protect the children in case of his death.

I am sure they like you and get along with you but in truth, their real mother is the one that passed. They don’t understand that you can also be their mother. If you stay away from their business affair, you will avoid a lot hurt feeling.

This is going to be your life, is this really what you want? Things won’t get better, unless you use prayer.

It doesn’t matter how great person your are or how great i am, we will always being seen as the enemy BUT love them anyway, they will warm up once they fully understand that you are not a treat but a blessing in their life.

Remember that this is a family decision and they should have their say, i don’t wish for them to have the same fate as we did, because i became an orphan of my father as a teenager when he removed us from the top of his list. A very critical time where you still need your family deeply.

All the best!
 
I know this is hard to hear, but you are causing the problem by living there. The family is not ready for you. The father may feel he is ready for you, but he has an obligation to aid his children in their grief before settling into his new companionship. Under no circumstances should you be living in the house with them. Not yet. Not until you are married, which will happen when the FAMILY is ready as a whole. Please, know that I say this to you with charity and love. Move out. That doesn’t mean you need to end your relationship. End the cohabitation. Give these children an opportunity to work through their emotions with their dad.
I support this too
 
Let the family grieve, that is most important! Listen to what the others have said here.

If he loves you then he will (even if reluctantly) understand when you suggest that you move out. If he can’t accept that and chooses not to go on with the relationship then I would question where his heart truly lies and what his motives might be.

When people love each other they are willing to make compromises. Isn’t that what love is all about sometimes - compromise? Be there for his children when they need you to be, and pray of course! You might want to get some counseling for yourself too.

And DON’T MARRY HIM ON THE REBOUND it won’t work.

Much Peace!

Mike 🙂
 
I’m not able to move past the part where you moved in and are cohabiting.

That is not a Catholic model to show the girls or their father. This relationship needs to divest itself of the cohabitation and continue in a manner conducive to Catholic moral living.
 
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