Well, I see no contradiction. No priest, bishop is in for the money. Most of the monetary are donations given to charity for feeding the homeless, the poor, the needy, etc. In fact, priest in the religious order take a vow of proverty, and Diocesan priests received an annual income of 18,000 dollars a year.First of the Didache says nothing about Apostolic succession it says you must test the apostles
and of course the biggie:
The Church inspired by the Holy Spirit canonized Scripture. I already mention the Synods which proclaim this. You on the other hand have not. You have only provided your opinions.
I believe. St. Augustine of Hippo said this. You said name one Church Father that said that. Augustine did.
TWell, I see no contradiction. No priest, bishop is in for the money. Most of the monetary are donations given to charity for feeding the homeless, the poor, the needy, etc. In fact, priest in the religious order take a vow of proverty, and Diocesan priests received an annual income of 18,000 dollars a year.
If you have look at the Scripture verse above. It proves Apostolic Successions has been around since Biblical Times.First of the Didache says nothing about Apostolic succession it says you must test the apostles
and of course the biggie:
No, it proves they called people apostles, which they did, people who have seen Christ are apostles! Notice how you skip the appoint for yourself part.If you have look at the Scripture verse above. It proves Apostolic Successions has been around since Biblical Times.
Judas had a successor. I believe this is biblical.Apostolic succession is not biblical. The office of an apostle, cannot have a successor. Apostles must have seen the risen Lord, that is what Paul said. Yes, they set up positions and some Apostles placed men in those positions. Your two earliest documents, Didache and 1st Clement, both specifially state that the church gets to decide the leadership of the church based upon a vote. The issue is not so much Apostolic Succession, an apostle can and did appoint people in some cases. They must have a sound doctrine in many other criteria. Its a rather complicated topic.
15 In those days Peter stood up among the brothers (the company of persons was in all about 120) and said, 16 “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17 For he was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry.” 18 (Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong [4] he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. 19 And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms,
“‘May his camp become desolate,
and let there be no one to dwell in it’;
“‘Let another take his office.’
21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.” 23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also called Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
I did not realize some guy 350 years later is considered an early Church father…with that logic my great great great great grandson born in 2130 AD is what…AN EARLY AMERICAN!!
Still laughing on that one…come on guys…this is just sad sad.
These are disciplines which can change overtime. The Didache is not an infallible document. It is an set of instruction of the twelve. The Early Church appointed bishops by the local congregation.Not that part, the appoint for yourselves! The local churches get to vote and decide
I just answer it. It takes time to reply. Boy, you lack patience.No, it proves they called people apostles, which they did, people who have seen Christ are apostles! Notice how you skip the appoint for yourself part.
Right here folks. It was a discipline, it can change over time-first excuseThese are disciplines which can change overtime. The Didache is not an infallible document. It is an set of instruction of the twelve. The Early Church appointed bishops by the local congregation.
You still have not proven historically or biblically that the Bible alone theory is true. Its was an invention of the 1500s, proposed by Martin Luther. You are following your own theories. The Bible teaches the opposite.Right here folks. It was a discipline, it can change over time-first excuse
It is not an infallible document-second excuse
the early church appointed bishops by the local congregation-TRUE, that is the biblical patter. I am done!
RightlydivideNo said:The Paul also laid hands on Timothy. Peter replace Judas with Matthias by casting lots.
The role of apostolic succession in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. To make sure that the apostles’ teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, “[W]hat **you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach **others also” (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first three generations of apostolic succession—his own generation, Timothy’s generation, and the generation Timothy will teach.
1 Tim. 4:14 - again, apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination).
1 Tim. 5:22 - Paul urges Timothy to be careful in laying on the hands (ordaining others). The gift of authority is a reality and cannot be used indiscriminately.
2 Tim. 1:6 - Paul again reminds Timothy the unique gift of God that he received through the laying on of hands.
2 Tim. 4:1-6 - at end of Paul’s life, Paul charges Timothy with the office of his ministry . We must trace true apostolic lineage back to a Catholic bishop.
2 Tim. 2:2 - this verse shows God’s intention is to transfer authority to successors (here, Paul to Timothy to 3rd to 4th generation). It goes beyond the death of the apostles.
Titus 1:5; Luke 10:1 - the elders of the Church are appointed and hold authority. God has His children participate in Christ’s work.
1 John 4:6 - whoever knows God listens to us (the bishops and the successors to the apostles). This is the way we discern truth and error (not just by reading the Bible and interpreting it for ourselves).
Exodus 18:25-26 - Moses appoints various heads over the people of God. We see a hierarchy, a transfer of authority and succession.
Exodus 40:15 - the physical anointing shows that God intended a perpetual priesthood with an identifiable unbroken succession.
Numbers 3:3 - the sons of Aaron were formally “anointed” priests in “ordination” to minister in the priests’ “office.”
Numbers 16:40 - shows God’s intention of unbroken succession within His kingdom on earth. Unless a priest was ordained by Aaron and his descendants, he had no authority.
Numbers 27:18-20 - shows God’s intention that, through the “laying on of hands,” one is commissioned and has authority.
Deut. 34:9 - Moses laid hands upon Joshua, and because of this, Joshua was obeyed as successor, full of the spirit of wisdom.
Sirach 45:15 - Moses ordains Aaron and anoints him with oil. There is a transfer of authority through formal ordination.
That makes no sense in proving that you are right in your opinion!Right here folks. It was a discipline, it can change over time-first excuse
It is not an infallible document-second excuse
the early church appointed bishops by the local congregation-TRUE, that is the biblical patter. I am done!
So far he hasn’t proven his case period. All of is his mere opinions.That makes no sense in proving that you are right in your opinion!
Your canon was done by Martin Luther my friend. All of the 27 books in the NT was pinned together by Christ’ Church, whom He guide, and to which you reject. . . .That is YOUR canon, not mine.
That’s because Rightlydivide can not prove his opinions historically or biblically.So far he hasn’t proven his case period.
Here some other teaching of the Didache still practiced by the CC.That’s because Rightlydivide can not prove his opinions historically or biblically.