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[Mannyfit75]

That means you do not know. Considered to be authentic by the same scholars who deny the truth of every doctrine you hold I bet. I dont buy it, people were all the time trying to slip things in and change documents.
Forgories all over the place.

This isn’t a forgery. I know for certain it isn’t. You have prove that it is a forgery. All your claims **have been your opinions, and you provided no scholastic view **to prove otherwise.

 

[Rightlydivide]

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know because Jesus told me that the Gates of hell would never prevail against his church. In order to make sure that we were not misled he gave the keys of the kingdom Peter and founded the the Catholic Church. It is his church that has been the Catholic Church has been receptacle of truth for the last 2000 years. It is the Catholic Church that gave you the Bible you depend so much on. The Catholic Church was the only Christian church for 1,500 years. There simply is no way for you to get around that and calling all that went before you heretics does not help your credibility

The part you go wrong on is the “founded the Catholic Church”. He surely did not. Only Christian church? I know lots of Orthodox that disagree with that and of course the groups before Luther.

I’m not qualified to interpret the Bible for you,

I agree.

for myself for anyone else. Fortunately I have 2000 years of teachings and tradition fall back on.

Your traditions are not biblical.

You have nothing more than your own personal interpretation of what Scripture means. You have no means whatsoever of resolving what the truth is other than yourself. Do you not see how ridiculous it is for one who admits he just recently became a Christian to start ridiculing Church Fathers and teachings that have been around since Jesus ascended into heaven,? I ask you againwhere do you get the authority to do this

The Bible. I am not ridiculing, do not be sensitive.

Ancedotal stories add absolutely nothing to the discussion
. I could just as easily claim to have had lunch with your pastor and that he told me he knew the Catholic Church was the one true church but he could make more money in a independent church.

That son of a b$%$#.
I dont doubt it!

 

[jmcrae]

I can tell you that you have absolutely nothing that Jesus said that I do not have. Not a single word.

Did Jesus ever say anything at all that sounds even a little bit like “Write the Bible, and then believe the Bible alone?”

It’s a “yes” or “no” question.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Rightlydivide;2934052:

Did Jesus ever say anything at all that sounds even a little

bit like “Write the Bible, and then believe the Bible alone?”

He constantly appealed to OT scripture. He never said there would be traditions not written down. The writers of the NT constantly appeal to scripture. His words have endured. He would not support traditions that contradict his written word.

 

[Rightlydivide]

This isn’t a forgery. I know for certain it isn’t. You have prove that it is a forgery. All your claims **have been your opinions, and you provided no scholastic view **to prove otherwise.

You dont know, when is your oldest copy of it? When is the first time another author quotes extensively from it? Get mad all you want but its as fake as a three dollar bill.

 

[jmcrae]

You do follow extrabiblical doctrines of man.

I follow the Holy Tradition of Jesus Christ and His Apostles, as handed down to me through His Church.

I used to follow doctrines invented by man, but that was when I was Protestant.

 

[estesbob]

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The part you go wrong on is the “founded the Catholic Church”. He surely did not. Only Christian church? I know lots of Orthodox that disagree with that and of course the groups before Luther

They split off around the year 1000 and share most of the doctors of the Church. They share very little with your view of the “truth” Can you give us the names of the other groups that went before them? What their doctrines were? Can you find any Christian group that believed in Sola Scripture or solar fidelis before Luther came around?

I ask you again- when you disagree with your pastor or disagree with me about how Scripture should be interpreted how do we determine the truth?

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[Rightlydivide]

I follow the Holy Tradition of Jesus Christ and His Apostles, as handed down to me through His Church.

I used to follow doctrines invented by man, but that was when I was Protestant.

Maybe you will come back around then. One can always hope.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Rightlydivide:

He constantly appealed to OT scripture. He never said there would be traditions not written down. The writers of the NT constantly appeal to scripture. His words have endured. He would not support traditions that contradict his written word.

They appeal to OT concerning the Messiah. However, when it came to the conversion of Gentiles, they did not rely on Scripture, they rely on the revelation from Peter, Paul, and Barnabas.

 

[Rightlydivide]

They split off around the year 1000 and share most of the doctors of the Church. They share very little with your view of the “truth” Can you give us the names of the other groups that went before them? What their doctrines were? Can you find any Christian group that believed in Sola Scripture or solar fidelis before Luther came around?

I ask you again- when you disagree with your pastor or disagree with me about how Scripture should be interpreted how do we determine the truth?

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1000? Officially sure but I was just reading the other day how they were arguing tooth and nail about when to celebrate Easter 800 years before that!
When I disagree with my pastor, I dont care. I read the Bible and assume he is wrong. I have already answered that one.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Maybe you will come back around then. One can always hope.

He wouldn’t. Protestantism is self-defeating… countless of different Biblical interpretation especially on the grounds of salvation. I know Protestants believe in OSAS and there are those who dismiss it. I also know there are Protestant who believe in the Rapture and there are those who don’t. There are those Protestants who believe that baptism saves, and there are those who don’t. I can go on and on…

 

[Rightlydivide]

They appeal to OT concerning the Messiah. However, when it came to the conversion of Gentiles, they did not rely on Scripture, they rely on the revelation from Peter, Paul, and Barnabas.

Yes, that is the sign of an apostle. One reason apostolic succession is a myth.

 

[estesbob]

You dont know, when is your oldest copy of it? When is the first time another author quotes extensively from it? Get mad all you want but its as fake as a three dollar bill.

And you base that on what? It would be helpful if you gave us a little insight as to why you reject this ias fake when scholars accept it and even the overwhelming majority of Protestants accept its legitimacy. It appears that you reject anything that does not support your preconceived notions. If ywe are going to have a discussion you must provide more than just claiming something is fake or the someone is a heretic.

It is becoming apparent that you have a very simplistic view of the Christian faith, have no basis for your faith other than your personal opinion on what Scripture says and refuse to accept anything that does not validate your views.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Yes, that is the sign of an apostle. One reason apostolic succession is a myth.

Nope, it isn’t a myth. You have not proven it is. It is all your mere opinion.

Second, your Church does even have a Antiochean Church like they have in the Book of Acts… We Catholics do. Not only that, we also have a original Pope, St. Peter down to Pope Benedict XVI.

What do you have? Nothing no Apostolic Succession. No valid sacraments. No Holy Orders. Nothing but the man-made tradition of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fidi.

 

[Rightlydivide]

He wouldn’t. Protestantism is self-defeating… countless of different Biblical interpretation especially on the grounds of salvation. I know Protestants believe in OSAS and there are those who dismiss it. I also know there are Protestant who believe in the Rapture and there are those who don’t. There are those Protestants who believe that baptism saves, and there are those who don’t. I can go on and on…

Catholics are the same way, they disagree all the time. Always breaking off and forming other little Catholic churches, I must have three within three miles of me. I have an Old Catholic church (which I visited once), I have the Liberal Catholic church, and I have the St. Pious? I think, Catholic church.

 

[estesbob]

1000? Officially sure but I was just reading the other day how they were arguing tooth and nail about when to celebrate Easter 800 years before that!
When I disagree with my pastor, I dont care. I read the Bible and assume he is wrong. I have already answered that one.

But your pastor said he’s right? Are you really saying that you are the sole arbitratorof what Scripture means? I’m still waiting for you can mention all the Christian groups that existed before 1500 and which of themembraced Sola Scripture and sola fidelis

 

[Rightlydivide]

Nope, it isn’t a myth. You have not proven it is. It is all your mere opinion.

Second, your Church does even have a Antiochean Church like they have in the Book of Acts… We Catholics do.

Well you might have a church named that but it does not in anyway resemble what they originally taught.
By the way, I can tell you do not know how old your oldest copy of Ignatius and the first person to quote from him was.

 

[Rightlydivide]

But your pastor said he’s right? Are you really saying that you are the sole arbitratorof what Scripture means? I’m still waiting for you can mention all the Christian groups that existed before 1500 and which of themembraced Sola Scripture and sola fidelis

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
You know you could look this stuff up yourself instead of making me do all the work!

I am the sole arbitrator of what I believe, everyone is! What a strange question! I do not know who believed Sola Scriptura and could care less. I do not follow men. I follow the Bible.

 

[jmcrae]

Maybe you will come back around then. One can always hope.

“Back” to what? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Protestant churches, who all disagree with each other on just about everything. That house is scattered in pieces, and gives no shelter - there is no “back” to go back to.

 

[victus]

I attend a church started 3 years ago. It is not part of a denomination. The minister is a former atheist like myself that I knew in college.

So, basically it’s part of its own denomination. In order for it not to be a denomination it has to be from the beginning, from the time of Christ. and passed down through Apostolic Succession. The Deposit of Faith, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition…and yes Apostolic Succession falls into both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.