Historical Fact that St. Peter was in Rome.

[Mannyfit75]

We don’t have that. Everybody’s been looking for it for 2000 years. Some people believe it’s a french lady cop, but I disagree.

If you happen to run accross it, let us know.

When we all die, can can discuss the issue of the Peter’s being in Rome to Peter himself. We can ask him. That’s if we die in the state of grace.

I’m sure Peter will tell you everything he knows.

 

[patrick457]

I just noticed Saint Peter, if he really went and died on Rome at 64-67 AD, died thirty to thirty-three years after Jesus.

They both died on a hill on the outskirts of the city (Only Peter died on a Circus while Jesus died at an execution site)

They were both crucified.

Of course, if these were facts, then God does move in mysterious ways…

 

[Steadfast]

I don’t doubt it, but my faith does not rest on “facts” if by facts we mean empirically verifiable events.

“Facts” are flimsy things subject to every wind of cultural imperative and new scientific “insight”…

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

The problem comes when we start binding consciences to things because we have this “certainty of faith” about them.

And this is where Catholics and Protestants differ.

Protestants maintain that only Scripture provides such a binding authority while Catholics will admit others.

While I generally agree with your points about what constitutes valid evidence within a historical context, and the distinction between experience and testimony, I still have to ask exactly how the Scriptures bind the consciences of believers?

I think it’s more fair to say that protestants maintain that only their interpretations of the Scripture provides such a binding authority.

 

[Steadfast]

While I generally agree with your points about what constitutes valid evidence within a historical context, and the distinction between experience and testimony, I still have to ask exactly how the Scriptures bind the consciences of believers?

I think it’s more fair to say that protestants maintain that only their interpretations of the Scripture provides such a binding authority.

Agreed with the addition:

“But of course this is exactly what Catholics do with magisterial pronouncements as well, so…”

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Agreed with the addition:

“But of course this is exactly what Catholics do with magisterial pronouncements as well, so…”

That was my whole point.

Protestants are claiming nothing different from Catholics, except that Protestants believe Catholic interpretations are wrong, whereas the Catholic Church believes Protestant interpretations are wrong (and many Protestants also disagree with each other and say that the ‘other Protestants’ are wrong too).

Sola Scriptura = Sacred Tradition regardless of how it is worded.