Historical notes:

[Bill_Pick]

Historical notes: It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god “al-Ilah” (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah’s shrine was located. As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah’s three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God. Such “after the fact corrective revelations” are very common with cults. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons also received an “after the fact corrective revelation” from God retracted the previous “divine command” allowing polygamy. The historical information confirming the “Satanic verses” is so vast and sure, only the desperate blind would deny the evidence. Undeniably factual information regarding the Satanic verses comes from respected Muslim scholars like at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d who wrote biographical and historical accounts of the life of Muhammad. Yet some Muslims actually reject the whole “daughter-gate” story as untrue. These are an extremist minority, you know, the ones who don’t believe youth should be taught history or science, but spend 8 hours a day memorizing the Koran. Yet many Muslims are trained to habitually disregard factual world history when it conflicts with the Koran. Take the fact of Christ’s crucifixion. Even the Jews agree he was crucified, but the Koran says it was a case of mistaken identity. So Muslims reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but believe the Koran is true. Amazingly, some Islamic apologists actually deny “daughter-gate” ever happened. Yet their only argument is, “The Koran says it cannot be tampered with and that Satan cannot interfere with the revelation process.” So, these extremists must either admit that the final prophet revealed a Koranic passage whose origin was Satan, or simply rewrite their own history and deny the whole “daughter-gate” scandal

 

[atheist1]

Historical notes: It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god “al-Ilah” (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah’s shrine was located. As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah’s three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God. Such “after the fact corrective revelations” are very common with cults. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons also received an “after the fact corrective revelation” from God retracted the previous “divine command” allowing polygamy. The historical information confirming the “Satanic verses” is so vast and sure, only the desperate blind would deny the evidence. Undeniably factual information regarding the Satanic verses comes from respected Muslim scholars like at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d who wrote biographical and historical accounts of the life of Muhammad. Yet some Muslims actually reject the whole “daughter-gate” story as untrue. These are an extremist minority, you know, the ones who don’t believe youth should be taught history or science, but spend 8 hours a day memorizing the Koran. Yet many Muslims are trained to habitually disregard factual world history when it conflicts with the Koran. Take the fact of Christ’s crucifixion. Even the Jews agree he was crucified, but the Koran says it was a case of mistaken identity. So Muslims reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but believe the Koran is true. Amazingly, some Islamic apologists actually deny “daughter-gate” ever happened. Yet their only argument is, “The Koran says it cannot be tampered with and that Satan cannot interfere with the revelation process.” So, these extremists must either admit that the final prophet revealed a Koranic passage whose origin was Satan, or simply rewrite their own history and deny the whole “daughter-gate” scandal

Myth vs. Myth…gotta love it.

 

[SSTeacher]

So Muslims reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but believe the Koran is true.

Bill,

Muslims do indeed believe the Qur’an to be true and it therefore seems to me to be quite logical for them to endorse it and to conclude that all non–Islamic religions are in error and therefore displeasing to Almighty God. Given their presupposition, what else could one reasonably expect from them?

Curiously,
Mick

 

[Badaliyyah]

Historical notes: It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god “al-Ilah” (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah’s shrine was located. As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah’s three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God. Such “after the fact corrective revelations” are very common with cults. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons also received an “after the fact corrective revelation” from God retracted the previous “divine command” allowing polygamy. The historical information confirming the “Satanic verses” is so vast and sure, only the desperate blind would deny the evidence. Undeniably factual information regarding the Satanic verses comes from respected Muslim scholars like at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d who wrote biographical and historical accounts of the life of Muhammad. Yet some Muslims actually reject the whole “daughter-gate” story as untrue. These are an extremist minority, you know, the ones who don’t believe youth should be taught history or science, but spend 8 hours a day memorizing the Koran. Yet many Muslims are trained to habitually disregard factual world history when it conflicts with the Koran. Take the fact of Christ’s crucifixion. Even the Jews agree he was crucified, but the Koran says it was a case of mistaken identity. So Muslims reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but believe the Koran is true. Amazingly, some Islamic apologists actually deny “daughter-gate” ever happened. Yet their only argument is, “The Koran says it cannot be tampered with and that Satan cannot interfere with the revelation process.” So, these extremists must either admit that the final prophet revealed a Koranic passage whose origin was Satan, or simply rewrite their own history and deny the whole “daughter-gate” scandal

I suppose it is pointless to point out that Jesus would have called God “Alah” in Aramaic/Syriac, using the same Semitic root as is used in “Allah” in Arabic. Or that Allah is the word arabic speaking Christians used and still use for God (e.g., which I use every time I go to liturgy).

But you have your “history”.

salaam.

 

[SSTeacher]

But you have your “history”.

I believe that there was once an American mechanic who thought history was bunk (more or less).

Helpfully,
Mick

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Myth vs. Myth…gotta love it.

“Satan” is not a historical character, & neither is “God” - so it is meaningless to talk about how they act on human beings, who unlike them are historical persons. God & satan are for theologians & believers to talk about - but they have no place in history; there is no way for them to be studied by historical means. Satan has not left us an account of his early life; God can’t be interviewed. Angels don’t write autobiographies. Humans by contrast do all these things, & others, so it is possible to have a good idea as to whether statements about them are true or even plausible; which helps in distinguishing frauds such as the Hitler Diaries from material really originating with Hitler (such as his “Tabletalk”). The kerfuffle about the Pseudo-Anastasia could be laid to rest because assertions that X & Y are historical events have to be based on evidence; which needs to be accessible to historians. But assertions that Satan did X, Kali did Y, Horus did Z, Jehovah did A & then B, the angel Phanuel appeared to this named person on that stated date, can’t be tested in that way. Any more than an aesthetic judgement can be tested by chemical means or stated as a percentage - they are incommensurable. It’s like saying, “What breed of dog is a banana ?” - expressed in those terms, the question has no meaning. Theological questions cannot be expressed as questions of history (which is why it is meaningless to date the creation to 9 a.m. on 23 October of 4004 BC ) for not all actual events (as contrasted with fictional ones) are historical.​