Oi vey! If I had not written in English, I could understand why
Nobody enjoys being crucified. His human nature recoils against what He is facing. But His Will is completely at One with His Father’s will to redeem humanity. His will is to see it through to completion and to be our sin-bearer . Since Jesus is the teacher par excellence everything He says and does is a object lesson for us . In this case the human temptation to avoid suffering and take the easy way out. But He does not yield to that temptation.
Matthew makes more parallels so we realize that Jesus is the long-awaited Son of David.
Was it the will of the suffering servant, in Isaiah 53 to have the LORD crush him in infirmity? Surrendering himself to death is entrusting himself to the Father, despite his fear of death. We are all called to sumbit to the divine will.
These verse refer to Israel (Jacob) as His servant, not His Anointed. Isaiah 53:5 says, “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.” (ASV) How does this apply to Israel? Verse 6 reads, “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and Jehovah hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” How will the Lord lay the “iniquity of us all” upon Israel? I know Israel has had a rough history (brought about, in large part, by their own turning away from the Law). How is Israel the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53? You have not proven your claim.
It is against the law to execute a father for the sins of a son (and vice verse). Is it against the law for a soldier to jump on a hand grenade in order to save his fellow soldiers? Is it against the law to push someone out of the path of a speeding bus and take the hit yourself? These may not be the best examples of what Jesus did for us by His death on the cross, but I think it shows that it IS OK to give your life for others (and I don’t believe it’s an "unJewish " idea to give one’s life in order to save others).
Jesus could not be son of David, thanks to you guys, who have denied that he was a biological son of Joseph’s, who was the one from the lineage of David. So, there is no use for this “long-awaited son of David,” or whatever you mean by.
Joseph was the legal adoptive foster father of Jesus, who was specially chosen by God himself.
In other words, he accepted it was the will of God.
I know. Why is Messiah ben Joseph will completely at one with God’s will, and Jesus’ is not?
Ryanoneil, Jesus was a religious Jewish man. Therefore, he had to go according to Judaism, whose culture is that Tribal lineage is transmitted only and exclusively through the father. Excluding mother and adoption. Mother difines only the Jewishness of the Jew; not the Tribe he is supposed to belong to. How can you come from another religion to tell how Judaism is supposed to run? Why don’t you ask any Rabbi? You can go into a Synagogue and ask who is the Rabbi and ask about this. Just to hear a second opinion, if my credibility does not enjoy your appreciation.
**Yes, Israel or MBJ did accept its destiny as the will of God.
I didn’t say how Judaism is supposed to run. I quoted the NT and asked two questions. I don’t know any Rabbi.
Israel or MBJ didn’t want to suffer and die either, so what are you really trying to say? There is no issue because a sane person has a natural aversion to suffering. But Jesus chose to embrace the Father’s will even though he was in agony about it.
**Let’s leave Jesus’ willingness or lack of if alone for now, because I just can’t get through your hide with logic and commonsense.
The are several passages in the Gospels where Jesus tries to prepare his disciples for his inevitable death. They couldn’t quite grasp that He had to die . In Matt. 16:21 " Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and scribes and chief priests , and be put to death and on the third day rise again.And Peter taking him aside began to chide him, saying " Far be it from thee, O Lord; this will never happen to thee “He turned and said to Peter, " Get behind me,satan; for thou dost not mind the things of God, but those of men”
The Bible needs to be read "in context " instead of trying to bend a certain passage to make it mean what you want it to mean.
All right, but if I went back to count how many times I have explained this here in this forum, I would be sick of reading the same thing over and over again. Sorry, I didn’t mean to be belicose.
**If Jesus chose, of his own freewill, to embrace God’s will, why would he give off the remark, “Be thy will done; not mine.?” Sorry, but this is not the same as you bring out in the next paragraph that he willingly laid his life down, because no one would take it from him. That’s a cliche that does not make any sense at all. The opposite is rather true that they were after his life and he fled to the Gethsemane. **
No problem!
Jesus dodged capture plenty of other times because it was not the appointed time. Jesus told Judas “What you are going to do, do quickly” (Jn 13:27) because the appointed time had come. Jesus simply went to the garden to pray and prepair.
Matthew 16:15-17 – “And you, who do you say that I am?” “You are the Messiah”,