Hitler’s Muslim SS Divisions

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Since recently we have seen a large numbers of posts by Muslims claiming the moral high ground by citing events such as the Crusades (1095-1270, so at least over 736 years ago) as an example of Catholic intolerance and to support more modern Muslim atrocities I thought I would share with everyone one fact about a much more recent event, World War Two (1939-1945, within the life time of some if not many on this forum) least we forget our history.

Hitler and Himmler created two Bosnian Muslim and two Albanian Muslim SS Divisions (approximately 35000 Muslim men) and wanted to create a strong Nazi Muslim presence in the Balkans.

If you don’t believe me, do your research.

I will not hold anyone on this forum personally responsible for the actions of others during the Second World War or any earlier event. However I would ask we recognize atrocities for what they are and quit trying to blame the acts of individual men and women on an entire religion or to use them to justify modern crimes. If you want to claim a particular religion has a propensity for violence, go ahead, but don’t try and forget your own history in the process.
 
I think a quick warning is in order here:

Please note:
Bringing up historical controversies peculiar to a particular religion should be done cautiously*
  • It is acceptable to discuss the effect the incident had on current policy or practice.
  • It is acceptable to seek the truth vs. commonly-held beliefs or conventional wisdom about actual events.
  • It is fallacious reasoning to use embarrassing incidents to claim that they “prove” a particular religion is false.
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Now, I’ve been watching all this talk over the last week or so on the historic controveries brought up with eachother’s religions. I have not stepped in before now, as there was always another topic at hand, and the statements generally focused on the first two bullets.

But this one is getting more toward the third bullet, and I ask you all to tread cautiously on this topic. It is nearly impossible to effectively attach a religion to these bad things as evidence that the religion is itself bad. Bad people do bad things.

Please continue.

Peace-

Rachel
 
Rachel,

I honestly do not believe there is anything to discuss on this thread and if in your judgement it would serve the greater good to close it now, please feel free.

I simply started a new thread to remind those who have attempted to link nazism with Catholicism on various threads that they should study their history and realize that there were evil men and women of all faiths involved it what is the darkest episode in human history.

I am not a proponent of collective guilt, but I am a proponent of knowing history so God willing it will not be repeated.

Thank you.
 
George Waters:
Rachel,

I honestly do not believe there is anything to discuss on this thread and if in your judgement it would serve the greater good to close it now, please feel free.

I simply started a new thread to remind those who have attempted to link nazism with Catholicism on various threads that they should study their history and realize that there were evil men and women of all faiths involved it what is the darkest episode in human history.

I am not a proponent of collective guilt, but I am a proponent of knowing history so God willing it will not be repeated.

Thank you.
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Is it reasonable to say there were both Christians and Muslims in SS divisions? If so, so what?
 
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Is it reasonable to say there were both Christians and Muslims in SS divisions? If so, so what?
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As I stated in another post I brought this up in response to TheProphet’s attempt to meld Nazism to Catholicism, so ask TheProphet that last question.
 
George Waters:
As I stated in another post I brought this up in response to TheProphet’s attempt to meld Nazism to Catholicism, so ask TheProphet that last question.
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Found the post on the other thread. Thanks.
 
It’s a shame that many Moslems apparently don’t know their history of the Crusades. They of course had nothing to do with alleged Christian “intolerance”. To the degree that any of the Crusades was successful, it was so only with Islamic assistance and/or complicity.

The petty Moslem kingdoms of the medieval Levant were constantly in a balancing-of–power act, with shifting alliances and intrigue the order of the day. The presence of the Christian armies there merely introduced a new party into the equations of such power plays, and plenty of Moslem leaders were all too willing to connive with the “infidels,” in order to augment their own tenuous positions against their fellow-Moslem rivals. (The same opportunistic feudal geopolitical gaming obtained likewise among the Crusaders, of course!)

Moreover, most of the noble Crusading leaders had more respect for their Islamic counterparts than for their own low-born Christian troops. A chivalrous romantic idealization of the noble foe was commonplace - on both sides.
 
“I have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.” -Heinrich Himmler

The Nazis recruited three SS divisions from Yugoslavia’s Muslim population. They were the Bosnian 13th Waffen SS Hanzars (Dagger) Division, the Bosnian 23rd Waffen SS Kama Division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS Division.

tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

Some info on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem
faoa.org/journal/HajjHusseini.html
 
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