Hitler Catholic?

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I heard some people say that Hitler claimed to be a devout Catholic and did all the things he did in the name of God. Anybody know anything about that? This dude had a couple pictures of him with a pope. I know that it doesn’t hold any water even if Hitler was Catholic, but I had just never heard that before.
 
He was Catholic but didn’t he discourage religious worship in general? He’d rather people be worshipping him and his government, not listening to Church leaders (he may have thought clergy might have urged them not to follow him or …although it seems not many did which is an atrocity.) Also, if Jesus was not a German aryan I would think he may have had some conflict with his doctrine, as well as the fact that Christianity preaches peace.
 
Hitler was baptized and raised under strict catholic parents however he did not remian catholic regardless of his early pandering for support:

Hitler: On Christianity and the Church

“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.”

–Night of July 11-12, 1941, p. 7 in Table Talk.

"Originally war was nothing but a struggle for pasture grounds. To-day war is nothing but a struggle for the riches of nature. By virtue of an inherent law, these riches belong to him who conquers them. The great migrations set out from the East. With us begins the ebb, from West to East. That’s in accordance with the laws of nature. By means of the struggle, the elites are continually renewed.

The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

–October 10, 1941, p.51

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called the Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who took up His position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and items certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son a whore and a Roman soldier. The decisive falsification of Jesus’s doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galilean’s object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that’s why the Jews liquidated Him.

Paul of Tarsus (his name was Saul, before the road to Damascus) was one of those who persecuted Jesus most savagely.When he learnt that Jesus’s supporters let their throats be cut for His ideas, he realised that, by making intelligent use of the Galilean’s teaching, it would be possible to overthrow this Roman State which the Jews hated. It’s in this context that we must understand the famous “illumination”. Think of it, the Romans were daring to confiscate the most sacred thing the Jews possessed, the gold piled up in their temples! At that time, as now, money was their god."

On the road to Damascus, St. Paul discovered that he could succeed in ruining the Roman State by causing the principle to triumph of the equality of all men before a single GodÙand by putting beyond the reach of the laws his private notions, which he alleged to be divinely inspired. If, into the bargain, one succeeded in imposing one man as the representative on earth of the only God, that man would possess boundless power."

–October 21, 1941, p. 76-77

“But for the coming of Christianity, who knows how the history of Europe would have developed ? Rome would have conquered all Europe, and the onrush of the Huns would have been broken on the legions. It was Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome and not the Germans or the Huns.”

–January 27, 1942, p. 253

“I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie.”

–27 February, 1942 , p.343

“Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”

–February 27, 1942 , p.343

“Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A negro with his tabus is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in Transubstantiation.”

–December 13, 1941, p. 144

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“The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which one of the essential reasons of their success, is due to having been saved in time from the views of Christianity. Just as in Islam, there is no kind of terrorism in the Japanese State religion, but on the contrary, a promise of happiness This terrorism in religion is the product, to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalised and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men’s minds.”

–April 4, 1942, p393

[About the religiosity of the Finns]

"It is a great pity that this tendency towards religious thought can find no better outlet than the Jewish pettifoggery of the Old Testament. For religious people who, in the solitude of winter, continually seek ultimate light on their religious problems with the assistance of the Bible, must eventually become spiritually deformed. The wretched people strive to extract truths from these Jewish chicaneries, where in fact no truths exist. As a result they become embedded in some rut of thought or other and, unless they possess an exceptionally commonsense mind, degenerate into religious maniacs. It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German people should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbojumbo. So long as the wisdom, particularly of the Old Testament, remained exclusively in the Latin of the Church, there was little danger that sensible people would become the victims of illusions as the result of studying the Bible. But since the Bible became common property, a whole heap of people have found opened to them lines of religious thought whichÙparticularly in conjunction with the German characteristic of persistent and somewhat melancholy meditationÙas often as not turned them into religious maniacs. When one recollects further that the Catholic Church has elevated to the status of Saints a whole number of madmen, one realists why movements such as that of the Flagellants came inevitably into existence in the Middle Ages in Germany.

As a sane German, one is flabbergasted to think that German human beings could have let themselves be brought to such a pass by Jewish filth and priestly twaddle, that they were little different from the howling dervish of the Turks and the negroes, at whom we laugh so scornfully."

–June 5, 1942, p. 513

"During the years of our struggle Rosenberg once submitted to me the draft of a leading article he proposed publishing in reply to the attacks of the Catholic Church. I forbade him to publish it; and I still think it was a great mistake that Rosenberg ever let himself be drawn into a battle of words with the Church. He had absolutely nothing to gain from it; the hesitant Catholics of their own free will regarded the Church with a critical eye, and from the truly devout not only could he expect no fair hearing for his “heretical outpourings”, but he must also have realised that the opposition propaganda would condemn him for his meddling in matters of faith and successfully point to him as a man guilty of mortal sin.

The fact that I remain silent in public over Church affairs is not in the least misunderstood by the sly foxes of the Catholic Church, and I am quite sure that a man like the Bishop von Galen knows full well that after the war I shall extract retribution to the last farthing. And, if he does not succeed in getting himself transferred in the meanwhile to the Collegium Germanicum in Rome, he may rest assured that in the balancing of our accounts, no “T” will remain uncrossed, no “I” undotted !"

–July 4, 1942, P. 555

“The Church of to-day is nothing more than a hereditary joint stock company for the exploitation of human stupidity.”

–August 1, 1942, p. 607

"Jesus was most certainly not a Jew. The Jews would never have handed one of their own people to the Roman courts; they would have condemned Him themselves. It is quite probable that a large number of the descendants of the Roman legionaries, mostly Gauls, were living in Galilee, and Jesus was probably one of them. His mother may well have been a Jewess. Jesus fought against the materialism of His age, and, therefore, against the Jews.

Cont.
 
Paul of Tarsus, who was originally one of the most stubborn enemies of the Christians, suddenly realised the immense possibilities of using, intelligently and for other ends, an idea which was exercising such great powers of fascination. He realised that the judicious exploitation of this idea among non-Jews would give him far greater power in the world than would the promise of material profit to the Jews themselves. It was then that the future St. Paul distorted with diabolical cunning the Christian idea. out of this idea, which was a declaration of war on the golden calf, on the egotism and the materialism of the Jews, he created a rallying point for slaves of all kinds against the elite, the masters and those in dominant authority. The religion fabricated by Paul of Tarsus, which was later called Christianity, is nothing but the Communism of to-day."

–Night of November 29-30, 1944, p. 721-722

The Voices from the time:

When Pope Pius XII died in 1958, Golda Meir, who later became Prime Minister of Israel, remarked:

We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of his Holiness Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords, he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.

Albert Einstein wrote: "Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty,"

Exerpt from the New York Time, December 25, 1941: "The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas… He is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all."


Dr. Raphael Cantoni, director of the Italian Jewish Assistance Committee, wrote: "The Church and the papacy have saved Jews as much and in as far as they could save Christians… Six million of my co-religionists have been murdered by the Nazis, but there could have been many more victims, had it not been for the efficacious intervention of Pius XII

Christmas, 1942 - Pope Pious XII was the first on the international scene to condemn the holocaust.

The Protestant ministers and Jews begged the Pope not to verbalize his admonitions against Hitler and the Nazis because of the punishment inflicted upon them with the Catholic clergy in the concentration camps.

The Church worked to hold the line of opposition that would not increase persecution. This included hiding Jews in seminaries, monastaries, and convents.

In 1925, Eugenio Pacelli “told fellow diplomats that Hitler was ‘obsessed’ and a ‘new manifestation’ of the Anti-Christ.” By 1929 Pacelli had criticized the Nazis 40 times.

Eugenio Pacelli prepared, for Pope Pius XI, the final draft of the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge (With Burning Concern), in which Nazism was condemned as incompatible with Christianity. The document was smuggled into Germany and read from the pulpit of every Catholic church on March 21, 1937. Mit brennender Sorge unmasked the hypocrisy of the Nazi regime by speaking of the “deformation of the state” through which the rights of man are violated. It unequivocally stated:

Whoever exalts the race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community … above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, and deifies, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God… is a false prophet in whom the words of Scripture find terrible application: “He that dwelleth in Heaven shall laugh at them.”

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
He also had Jewish ancenstry. (I believe it was his mothers side, but I forget)

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
First, a brief bit from Karl Keating:

"Some anti-Catholics, both Fundamentalists and secularists, use this jibe, but not with much sense. Hitler and Mussolini were baptized as infants, but they each left the Church (and religion as a whole) early on. Hitler, for instance, rejected Christianity no later than his later teen years.

By the time they reached adulthood, neither man was a believer, and so neither one was a Catholic. That being the case, they weren’t considered Catholics by the Church, and the Church didn’t claim to have jurisdiction over them, as it doesn’t claim jurisdiction over people of no or other religions."

Thus it would be entirely wrong to say that either Hitler or Mussolini was a Catholic. It would be like saying that Stalin was Russian Orthodox."

A few more thoughts: In reading Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” you will find that Hitler found Luther to be a great hero of Germany. He persecuted Catholics in the Holocaust (Maximilian Kolbe is a well known example).

Hitler was not Catholic.

God bless,
k
 
Hello guys!

This is a very good topic! Though I was wondering with this simple question in my head: Im Catholic am I Hitler?

For all sense of reason I cannot be Hitler nor be like a Hitler. That picture of Hitler with the pope (Paul XII signing) has hounded be wherever I go to dicsuss apologetics against protestants, particularly born again. And still a lot of people doesn’t know what that concordat is for. How I pray that there would be a Catholic apologetic tv commercials.

PS:

Just in case those pictures will be used against us Catholics again. Just visit this: PROTESTANT SUPPORT OF THE NAZI GOVERNMENT and enjoy the pictures.

Peace! 😃

mongladz
 
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Nicene:
Hitler was baptized and raised under strict catholic parents.
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kquinn:
Hitler was not Catholic.
Now I wonder, when we hear that there are over 1 Billion Catholics in the world, I wonder what criteria that number is derived from? Is it from Baptised, living Catholics? I do not believe the number is derived from weekly attendance at Mass. So that criteria, however determined, should be the same criteria as determining if Hitler was Catholic.

Just a thought.
 
So that criteria, however determined, should be the same criteria as determining if Hitler was Catholic.
Does not the same apply to all the protestants who were in the german army? By the same token, looking at the last say 100 years, are those who are Neo-Nazi’s and KKK still protestant christians? (You can’t join unless you are a WASP-White Anglo Saxon Protestant) Remember protestant oral tradition “Once saved, always saved.”

What about David Duke and friends?

Just a thought.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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VociMike:
Hitler was Catholic the way Stalin was Russian Orthodox.
Given that Stalin actually did some training for the Orthodox priesthood, Hitler and Mussolini were in fact LESS Catholic than Stalin was Orthodox
 
Malachi,

My statement that Hilter was not a Catholic did not regard his baptism, but rather the fact that he left the Church and disregarded religion in general. Sorry if I confused. (The baptism section was to establish why there is the argument made that he was Catholic).

God bless,
kate
 
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LilyM:
Given that Stalin actually did some training for the Orthodox priesthood, Hitler and Mussolini were in fact LESS Catholic than Stalin was Orthodox
If that is the case, then priests are more Catholic than laypeople.
 
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Vietnatalians:
I heard some people say that Hitler claimed to be a devout Catholic and did all the things he did in the name of God. Anybody know anything about that? This dude had a couple pictures of him with a pope. I know that it doesn’t hold any water even if Hitler was Catholic, but I had just never heard that before.
I don’t think so, because Catholic were targeted too during WWII, like gypsies and handicaps. The pope of the time lived in fear of Hitler and his actions against the Church, thus poor open reactions to Hitler’s action. I never heard that so, …
 
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