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MiserereMei25
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Never felt that way… I don’t think it’s fair to say people do things to be seen by others in pride. I kneel for communion but I don’t do it to be noticed?
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MiserereMei25
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It’s disunity?
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JimR-OCDS
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When the Congregation receives while standing ?
How is holding hands during the Our Father by some and not by all, a symbol of disunity using the same logic ?
How is holding hands during the Our Father by some and not by all, a symbol of disunity using the same logic ?
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JimR-OCDS
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Only you can discern why you’re doing things different than the rest of the congregation at Mass ?
If as some claim, it’s to be more reverent. Does that mean those standing to receive are less reverent ?
I’m merely pointing out the flawed logical view by some that we shouldn’t be holding hands during the Lords Prayer or lifting up our hands, because we’re suppose to do things in unity.
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If as some claim, it’s to be more reverent. Does that mean those standing to receive are less reverent ?
I’m merely pointing out the flawed logical view by some that we shouldn’t be holding hands during the Lords Prayer or lifting up our hands, because we’re suppose to do things in unity.
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pnewton
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The only solid answer to this question, as worded, is neither. It is not proscribed either way.
And that answer is either. It is permitted, and it is permitted not to participate.
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pnewton
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The logic is the same. The reception of communion has more than one option, and disunity does not exist. Ergo, differences do not equal disunity.
Mark121359
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Maybe someone else can answer such an asinine presumption. I attend Tridentine Mass, where there is uniformity when it comes to receiving Holy Communion.
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JimR-OCDS
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So, now you reveal that you attend the TLM where everyone kneels.
As I said, do as the congregation does.
What if a person presented themselves for communion at a TLM while standing ? It’s approved by the Church, so would they be refused ?
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As I said, do as the congregation does.
What if a person presented themselves for communion at a TLM while standing ? It’s approved by the Church, so would they be refused ?
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Thom18
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Holding hands is something that came about from the charismatic movement and seems to have become customary today. It seems to be accepted by the clergy, but it’s something I’ve ceased doing.
As for the orans posture (the posture the priest assumes), its use is prescribed for the priest celebrant in GIRM, but not for the laity. While it doesn’t explicitly forbid the laity from using it, it’s not prescribed for us, either, and (imo) should be avoided.
As for the orans posture (the posture the priest assumes), its use is prescribed for the priest celebrant in GIRM, but not for the laity. While it doesn’t explicitly forbid the laity from using it, it’s not prescribed for us, either, and (imo) should be avoided.
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Mark121359
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That actually happened once at daily Mass. Only, the woman held out her hands to receive. Fr. merely gestured toward his mouth, and the woman acquiesced.
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joeybaggz
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Speaking for Jesus 
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) I think He’d say, “Hey, given that so many don’t show up for mass, I’m just glad you’re here. It’s good to see you. Hold hands if you like, don’t if you prefer not to, I’m tickled pink to see you and thanks for coming. And don’t sweat the small stuff! Have a great Sunday and hope the Steelers win this afternoon.” BTW - he was in dawntawn Pittsburgh when he said that! 
roll_eyes:) I think He’d say, “Hey, given that so many don’t show up for mass, I’m just glad you’re here. It’s good to see you. Hold hands if you like, don’t if you prefer not to, I’m tickled pink to see you and thanks for coming. And don’t sweat the small stuff! Have a great Sunday and hope the Steelers win this afternoon.” BTW - he was in dawntawn Pittsburgh when he said that!
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Start
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Politically correct Jesus sounds kind of off.
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RoseScented
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For me it always comes down to whether the Bishop or pastor cares. I’ve had a bishop in the past that specifically sent out a statement saying that he wanted people to be informed that holding hands during the Our Father wasn’t acceptable. My current bishop, his successor, doesn’t care either way and has said he would leave it up to the pastor of each parish. My pastor has spent a couple homilies talking to people about outward postures at different times of mass. Think of homilies that talk about why we sit, stand, or kneel at certain parts. Why there’s incense, bells/wooden clacker, patens, etc. Where words and responses during the mass come from if they happen to show up during the readings. Why the priest is in specific positions. Why the laity shouldn’t assume those same positions which is when he brought up that he discourages people from hand holding during the Our Father.
It doesn’t seem to matter to people though since when the bishop said it and when my pastor said it nothing actually changed. The homily on posture during procession and reception of the Eucharist (whether standing/kneeling, on the tongue/in the hand) did seem to improve for a week though. So each year when the homily comes up it seems like the teaching sticks in more and more people’s minds and I’ve seen thought by the congregation as a whole improve bit by bit.
It doesn’t seem to matter to people though since when the bishop said it and when my pastor said it nothing actually changed. The homily on posture during procession and reception of the Eucharist (whether standing/kneeling, on the tongue/in the hand) did seem to improve for a week though. So each year when the homily comes up it seems like the teaching sticks in more and more people’s minds and I’ve seen thought by the congregation as a whole improve bit by bit.
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MiserereMei25
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well then mind your own actions and don’t falsly judge others actions, please.
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1Lord1Faith
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What do you think of the answers so far?
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pnewton
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That is a significant point, and one that kind of eliminates this issue for you.
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pnewton
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For some reason I cannot fathom, charity is so hard to come by when this topic is approached. Yes, you asked the initial question, one to which there is not yes or no, no matter how easy it might make it for this person or that. If it really is a concern for you, then your priest might be the best source, as he is actually at the parish, and as you can see, that does matter.
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Thrstypirate
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I remember that at almost all masses in the 90s in San Antonio, TX this was the norm. With entire congregations reaching across aisles.
When I moved to NYC in 2005, the first mass I went to I tried grabbing the hands of the gentlemen on my left and right. They looked at me like I was a madman.
When I moved to NYC in 2005, the first mass I went to I tried grabbing the hands of the gentlemen on my left and right. They looked at me like I was a madman.
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joeybaggz
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Oh, I’d have loved to been there to see that. Knowing NYC, its a wonder someone didn’t call the cops.
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phil19034
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I think the correct question is “so is is prohibited?” And the answer to that is no. It’s simply not stated.
However, Archbishop Sample has stated that it’s not really proper because the posture is the priest collecting the prayers of the faithful and funneling them to God.
However, Archbishop Sample also said at the same time, it’s not something worth the time and energy to prohibit. So he says, if asked, he would tell someone not to do it, but he’s not going to prohibit it.
I hope this makes sense.
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