Holding hands during the Our Father?

[Walking_Home]

was listening to the Cardinal Arinze podcast, and there was a question regarding community practices, such as this, and he made it clear that there is not a right or wrong. Stand, kneel, hold hands, etc. This is part of the community choice.

I would ask those people who have trouble with holding hands, if mas is a celebration of the church (people) what do you bring to the celebration? Do you sing loudly? Do you shake hands with others during the sign of peace? The resurrection of Christ is the best reason for having a party.

Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts. When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

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Our Holy Church—is in much, much -----trouble.

 

[Faith1960]

PsuedoHermit:

Welcome Home.

I went to Calvery Chapel, and even lived in a Christian community for awhile. They were both Charismatic-Evangelical, with at least some of the preaching focused on the “End-Times” (Esp. at Calvery Chapel.

I think the Catholic parishes that started doing the holding hands during the “Our Father” and/or raising hands during the 'Our Father" and the Sanctus did so either because of the Cursillo Movement, the Charismatic Movement or some “Touchy Feely” thing designed at creating the “feeling of community”.

I thought it sprung from the Charismatic Protestant worshipers.

 

[netmilsmom]

Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts. When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

Oh man!
Ya had me going there!
For a minute I thought you were serious.

Dude, that was a good one!

 

[netmilsmom]

Traditional Ang;1541606:

PsuedoHermit:

Welcome Home.

I went to Calvery Chapel, and even lived in a Christian community for awhile. They were both Charismatic-Evangelical, with at least some of the preaching focused on the “End-Times” (Esp. at Calvery Chapel.

I think the Catholic parishes that started doing the holding hands during the “Our Father” and/or raising hands during the 'Our Father" and the Sanctus did so either because of the Cursillo Movement, the Charismatic Movement or some “Touchy Feely” thing designed at creating the “feeling of community”.

You lost your Html again. Hit the preview Faith, and I can help if it doesn’t look right. PM me.

 

[netmilsmom]

Go for it.

If you happen to stop by my parish and sit next to me, I can’t promise that I won’t wonder “what’s wrong with him” during the Our Father.

Good think you’re not in St. Louis. You may have to think about the innovation in a different light.

 

[paramedicgirl]

was listening to the Cardinal Arinze podcast, and there was a question regarding community practices, such as this, and he made it clear that there is not a right or wrong. Stand, kneel, hold hands, etc. This is part of the community choice.

I would ask those people who have trouble with holding hands, if mas is a celebration of the church (people) what do you bring to the celebration? Do you sing loudly? Do you shake hands with others during the sign of peace? The resurrection of Christ is the best reason for having a party.

Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts. When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in our day of battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who prowl throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.

 

[palmas85]

was listening to the Cardinal Arinze podcast, and there was a question regarding community practices, such as this, and he made it clear that there is not a right or wrong. Stand, kneel, hold hands, etc. This is part of the community choice.

I would ask those people who have trouble with holding hands, if mas is a celebration of the church (people) what do you bring to the celebration? Do you sing loudly? Do you shake hands with others during the sign of peace? The resurrection of Christ is the best reason for having a party.

Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts. When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

I believe this post just about says it all. May God protect us.

 

[TradyDaddy]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the cafeteria is open and it is a veritable ALL-YOU-CAN-EAT smorgasboard. There is no “right and wrong” anymore. If your parish is too liberal or too conservative, drive around town until you find one that suits your personal faith.

 

[Maureen_Fiore]

was listening to the Cardinal Arinze podcast, and there was a question regarding community practices, such as this, and he made it clear that there is not a right or wrong. Stand, kneel, hold hands, etc. This is part of the community choice.

I would ask those people who have trouble with holding hands, if mas is a celebration of the church (people) what do you bring to the celebration? Do you sing loudly? Do you shake hands with others during the sign of peace? The resurrection of Christ is the best reason for having a party.

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Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts. When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

Were you taught by the Sisters of Charity during the 1970s? Because I wonder where you got this information from???

 

[MrS]

was listening to the Cardinal Arinze podcast, and there was a question regarding community practices, such as this, and he made it clear that there is not a right or wrong. Stand, kneel, hold hands, etc. This is part of the community choice.

If that is what you want to hear, that is what you heard. The truth is that there is no position mandated for much of the Mass - (Consecration requires kneeling). And a position that demonstrates a sign of unity is commendable… we had that and it was KNEELING.

The good Cardinal also said, this past Saturday, that the GIRM established what is to be done…and all else is not to be considered… there is no “discussion” on how the liturgy should be presented.

So you are VERY, VERY wrong… it is NOT a community choice.

You cannot show where that “permission” was ever given… you and the “active-participation” crowd have assumed you have rights that you never had.

I would ask those people who have trouble with holding hands, if mas is a celebration of the church (people) what do you bring to the celebration?

Wrong again… the Mass is the re-presentation of the Sacrifice at Calvary. It is comprised of two sections… the liturgy of the Word and the liturgy of the Eucharist… LITURGY is not yours to change or even to interpret.

I would ask what agenda do you bring to the Mass?

Do you sing loudly? Do you shake hands with others during the sign of peace? The resurrection of Christ is the best reason for having a party.

Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts.

BULL. The Catholic Church has always taught that we are all “priests”. It has always taught that only Jesus is the HighPriest. And it has always taught that there is a separate ministerial priesthood. I would suggest that you read Numbers… read about the laity there who thought like you do… that they could assume the ministerial duties and that “nothing was off-limits” to them either. These “ministers”, led by Korah had many followers. There reward…?? The Lord commanded their slaughter… all 2500 of them, both the nothing-off-limit-to-us-“priests”, and all of their followers.

***Now turn to the book of Jude… it warns us that if we … I mean YOU… continue in this error, you will reap the wrath of Korah. ***

Please do NOT stand next to me, or try to spread your lunacy to me and mine. I believe the wrath of Korah is yours, not mine.

When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

We should not give up to much to those ordained priests… you are on a serious path to destruction. You are ungrateful to God, Himself, for giving us “those ordained priests” who grace us with the sacraments.

No priests, no Eucharist… No Eucharist, no Church.

who told you this bunk… sounds like a non-denom co-worker of mine who said “Well. you Catholics don’t believe in Jesus, do you???”

She must have met you.

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[8640]

was listening to the Cardinal Arinze podcast, and there was a question regarding community practices, such as this, and he made it clear that there is not a right or wrong. Stand, kneel, hold hands, etc. This is part of the community choice.

I would ask those people who have trouble with holding hands, if mas is a celebration of the church (people) what do you bring to the celebration? Do you sing loudly? Do you shake hands with others during the sign of peace? The resurrection of Christ is the best reason for having a party.

Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts. When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

You are in serious error about several things in this post, I would suggest picking up the Catechism and reading it. Hopefully you can see where you are wrong.

VII stated that yes we are all priests, but the ministerial priesthood is different essentially and not simply in degree.

 

[RCCDefender]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the cafeteria is open and it is a veritable ALL-YOU-CAN-EAT smorgasboard. There is no “right and wrong” anymore. If your parish is too liberal or too conservative, drive around town until you find one that suits your personal faith.

I really shouldn’t laugh because this is such a sad truth anymore!

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Go for it.

If you happen to stop by my parish and sit next to me, I can’t promise that I won’t wonder “what’s wrong with him” during the Our Father.

That is an extremely lame argument. The whole issue doesn’t hinge on what they do at your parish, what matters is that we aren’t Evangelicals and the “anything goes” attitude is not appropriate in the Catholic Church.

OK, if you ever happen to come to my parish (or my old home diocese away from home) we won’t just wonder what is wrong with you if you start trying to play “let’s all hold hands”-they straight up won’t do it.

 

[palmas85]

Another point is that we are all part of the holy priesthood. There is nothing off-limits to us, or exclusive to an ordained priest with the exception of the consecration of the hosts. When we attend mass we are all concelebrants and we should not give up too much to those ordained priests.

Ah yes, the Protestant manifesto. One of their rallying cries, in addition to the abolition of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Papacy was the abolishing of the ordained Priesthood as they were unnecessary and in fact evil.

It is good to know that this cornerstone of the early protestant movement has infiltrated into the Church these days. At least we now know it is here and maybe if enough of us try real hard and pray, we can defeat it before people like our junior poster Saint Jerome manage to completely destroy the Church.

 

[cutiesmak]

y’all are hilarious! i mean that in a good way. i HATE holding hands at mass, i really do. and we have to introduce ourselves and shake hands before mass, and then the sign of peace (i’m ok with that one). i haven’t had that much physical contact with my MOTHER in the whole of my 20s! haha. i just grin and bear it. i think more people grin and bear it than the weirdo touchy-feely hippies would like to think. imho…

 

[thistle]

Ah yes, the Protestant manifesto. One of their rallying cries, in addition to the abolition of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Papacy was the abolishing of the ordained Priesthood as they were unnecessary and in fact evil.

It is good to know that this cornerstone of the early protestant movement has infiltrated into the Church these days. At least we now know it is here and maybe if enough of us try real hard and pray, we can defeat it before people like our junior poster Saint Jerome manage to completely destroy the Church.

The Church CANNOT be destroyed. Jesus told us that.
If the Church is completely destroyed then Jesus would have lied and it would mean we are not the true Church.

 

[Walking_Home]

The Church CANNOT be destroyed. Jesus told us that.
If the Church is completely destroyed then Jesus would have lied and it would mean we are not the true Church.

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We know thistle-----but people like Saint Jerome and those who taught him—can indeed throw a part of the Church into heresy. From what I understand more than half the Church turned Arian before the heresy was suppressed.

 

[thistle]

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We know thistle-----but people like Saint Jerome and those who taught him—can indeed throw a part of the Church into heresy. From what I understand more than half the Church turned Arian before the heresy was suppressed.

I accept that but none of us should even be suggesting that it was possible to completely destroy it.

 

[palmas85]

The Church CANNOT be destroyed. Jesus told us that.
If the Church is completely destroyed then Jesus would have lied and it would mean we are not the true Church.

Quite true, the Church will survive. However, can you honestly say that the views put forth by our young friend Saint Jerome are true to Catholic tradition and the Catholic faith? When I see people trying their best to destroy the faith I get angry and maybe say things that I don’t think through clearly. I don’t want to see the Church broken up any more than it already is. There has been enough heresy spouted forth by people like this poster. I want people to recognize the gravity of the situation we as Catholics are facing.

 

[janryboy]

I raise my hands/arms during the praying/singing of the Our Father…it was thought to me since i was a kid…

i dont if its wrong…