I went to my mother’s church last sunday and this was the first time we had held hands in about 20 years, during the singing of the Lord’s prayer.
Yesterday during the Mass while Fr was praying a lady sneezed from another section of the church from where I was seated. She was across the aisle and several rows up. The man 2 seats from me said “God bless you”. The lady from her seat said “thank you”. The man said “you’re welcome”. Is that too much chit chat too?
I think you are perceiving a certain tenor of attitude that isn’t really there in the minds of those opposed to hand holding.
To answer you question …no, you or anybody else is not worthy of me taking a break at mass and having a smiley meet and greet at the foot of the cross while I’m trying to look with the eyes of faith at the mystery of my redemption. So try not to be offended because the mass isn’t about you.
Hmmmm but the sign of peace is in the Mass and is there for a reason…and yet you want to ignore it and show people the cold shoulder? Isnt that making the Mass about you and what you want or in this case don’t want? I’m not talking about a drawn out chat but you can’t be polite or kind? That person next to you is also God’s child too…and Christ died for them as well…
There is nothing in the missal that says we have to stop and have our little meet and greet during the mass. That is why EWTN doesn’t do it. I am simply abstaining from what I believe is a corrupting influence in the liturgy. That person next to me will simply have to do what the mother of God did at the cross. I wish the kindness and politeness were reciprocated to me and my family by not distracting of from the from our prayer. Maybe I should just wear a sign that politely explains that we abstain fro the sign of peace.
The liturgy also does not tell us to breath during the liturgy, and yet we do. I know it’s a ridiculous analogy (I would even say a false analogy, but I made it anyway).
I never said it was about me. See Luke 24:36 to see the words Jesus said.
Good. If it’s not about you then you shouldn’t have a problem with anybody not showing you the attention that you seem to crave from people who are trying to cling to their faith in the sacraments.
Tell you what big-guy try artificially sneezing in your hands next time. If that doesn’t work, blow your nose in your hands and then wipe the output in your nose before offering your hand.
Is paying attention to people mutually exclusive of clinging to one’s faith in the sacraments? I don’t think they are. How is holding hands during the Our Father mutually exclusive with that of a vertical worship of G-d?
That’s one of the few things that is horrid about the daily EWTN Mass – they skip the kiss of peace. Yes it is allowed but it’s a horrid thing to do. So darned severe! I love it when visiting bishops celebrate the Mass and include it. Much, much nicer!
Funny I can’t stand it. I wish you people would have your hippie hug fests in the parking lot after mass not right after Christ is lifted up on the cross. Just seems so inappropriate to carry on like that at the re-presentation of the crucifixion.Actually, the default position for the liturgy is to do the sign of peace. Only for a good/grave reason is one to abstain from the practice. The rubrics, such as the GIRM and RS make it clear that the Sign of Peace is supposed to be part of the Mass and rarely, if ever, not used.
I kind of got off topic discussing the sign of piece. And yes that is mutually exclusive to the faith in the mass in my view because what you are supposed to be seeing is Christ, broken and bloody, being lifted up on the cross for your sins. Imagine actually being at the foot of the cross of your savior and having everybody breakout with a jolly meet and greet right there while your Lord is dying. You wouldn’t. The action takes away from what faith is supposed to communicate to you. That you are actually at the real and true crucifixion of Jesus.
That’s certainly an argumentum ad hominem. It’s not a hippie hug fest. It’s simply a sign of peace. It is where “the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament” and where “the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family” (GIRM 82).
Because when Christ told John “behold your mother” and Mary “behold your son,” they didn’t even glance at each other. How far is this logic supposed to go? Should we create little pew boxes so that we can’t see anyone around us? Part of the Mass is the coming together of the community (a part of the Mass, not the only part of course) in the mutual worship of G-d.
That’s not an ad hominem and you saying that it is just means you don’t know what an ad hominem argument is. I wasn’t making an argument genius. I simply used a kinda insulting description for what the sign of piece is. I didn’t attack anyone personally which is what an ad hominem is.
Telling someone to go have their hippie hug fest is attacking a person (goodness knows, I would hate to be called a hippie).
Glancing at someone is a far cry for what happens a typical sign of piece and you know. It is a break from the mass where we all smile and shake hands and say hello and blah blah blah. Would be completely inappropriate thing to do at the real crucifixion which is supposed to be what the mass is, right?