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Feanor
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Sorry to be brusque but,
This Bishop ain’t no St. Paul.
This Bishop ain’t no St. Paul.
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malphono
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Yes, we are fortunate indeed to have PP Benedict XVI gloriously reigning.
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Merkel
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Williamson AIN’T Saint Paul. While ti would be wonderful if he recanted, repented and came Home I just cannot see that happening as a bishop. Then again though, anything is possible with God!
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Dauphin
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This demonstrates that the Pope is serious about reconciling the society soon.
Ultimately, it’s probably for the best that Bishop Williamson will remain suspended from ministry. He’s a huge liability for traditionalists.
Ultimately, it’s probably for the best that Bishop Williamson will remain suspended from ministry. He’s a huge liability for traditionalists.
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Dee_Dee_King
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he doesn’t deny the holocaust, only the numbers killed and the use of the gas chambers. i don’t understand why he takes this position considering that even if he’s correct, he will be slandered as an antisemite.
bottom line is he’s completely imprudent which shows some serious character flaws.
bottom line is he’s completely imprudent which shows some serious character flaws.
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Merkel
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Who cares about that? He’s a huge liability to the Church and to the all the faithful. That’s what counts.
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redrosetea
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Remember what we are told about judging others…?Williamson is no more beyond redemption thtn you or I
God chooses , not us
Some of our greatest saints were also the biggest sinners
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hermanowicz
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By the way, what was the reason for his excommunication. i note he came back as a bishop…
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Valke2
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He is a holocaust denier. He denies that the Nazis had any plan to exterminate the Jews. He denies the genocide of Jews by the Nazis. That is Holocaust denial. That he believes 200 to 300 thousand jews died from various causes is not relevant.
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redrosetea
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No he holds no office in the church at all…That is just a title…He was never legally a consecrated Bishop
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Neil_Anthony
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He was excommunicating for being ordained as a bishop against the will of the Pope.
But he is really a bishop now… he has apostolic succession. But a suspended bishop.
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redrosetea
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I don’t think so…From what I have read he is not recognized as such…
The lifting of the excommunication only allowed them back in the church and nothing more…There is still a long way to go…This is just the first step
The lifting of the excommunication only allowed them back in the church and nothing more…There is still a long way to go…This is just the first step
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malphono
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No, the consecration wasn’t “legal” (i.e., it was illicit) but no, it’s not “just a title.” Unfortunately, although it was totally illicit, the ordination to the episcopate was, as Neil_Anthony said, valid.
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redrosetea
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home.catholicweb.com/CathMess…3888&From=Home
Bishop Williamson has not been granted regular status as a Catholic bishop. Like the other SSPX bishops he remains under suspension, without canonical status. In effect the Pope has recognized the traditionalist bishops as passengers on the Barque of Peter, not as active commissioned officers. The process of reconciling the SSPX with the Holy See is far from complete.
What has happened, then? Pope Benedict has made a bold move toward ending a split that began more than 20 years ago. At the same time, he has cleared the way for a debate on the most important theological issue facing the Christian world today. The outcome of that debate will have an importance that stretches far beyond the circles of Catholic traditionalism.
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Bishop Williamson has not been granted regular status as a Catholic bishop. Like the other SSPX bishops he remains under suspension, without canonical status. In effect the Pope has recognized the traditionalist bishops as passengers on the Barque of Peter, not as active commissioned officers. The process of reconciling the SSPX with the Holy See is far from complete.
What has happened, then? Pope Benedict has made a bold move toward ending a split that began more than 20 years ago. At the same time, he has cleared the way for a debate on the most important theological issue facing the Christian world today. The outcome of that debate will have an importance that stretches far beyond the circles of Catholic traditionalism.
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Genesis315
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Receiving the sacrament of Holy Orders, even illegally, still gives one the indellible mark. He is ontologically a bishop and always will be–he possesses the fullness of the sacrament of orders–he just has no jurisdiction or faculties.
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pnewton
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It did say distance himself, not recant. It might be sufficient if he agree to not have any opinion on the subject and never mention it again. That way he would not have to state something that he may not in goo conscience believe and the Church would make it clear that the issue has nothing to do with Catholicism.
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joe_clark
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This is a Bishop I would like to sit down with face to face with people surrounding him holding the pictures taken by the Nazi’s of the death camps, and then ask him why? For what reasons do say what you say? What is to gain by what you say?
He is not an ordinary citizen, he is a Bishop and is held like all others to a higher degree of ethics and morality. He should be a leader of people, instead of a follower.
I would ask the Bishop to sit on one side of a table, across from the people who were in and escaped the death camps. Not only Jews were murdered. A mound of evidence will sit before him and what will the Bishop bring???
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Feanor
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Yeah I think to nearly everyone involved or interested in this matter his views are mystifying.
That being said God is merciful and our Holy Father is wise. He will do the right thing. He just may have to be the Rottweiller again for a bit!
I guess I look at this as growing pains. If the SSPX can re-visit some of their more extreme notions regarding Vatican II this should work out for the betterment of Church.
That being said God is merciful and our Holy Father is wise. He will do the right thing. He just may have to be the Rottweiller again for a bit!
I guess I look at this as growing pains. If the SSPX can re-visit some of their more extreme notions regarding Vatican II this should work out for the betterment of Church.
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Merkel
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Well said. Even if there was a remote possibility that he was technically correct he should have enough compassion and good sense to keep his mouth shut. Just don’t say anything!This is a Bishop I would like to sit down with face to face with people surrounding him holding the pictures taken by the Nazi’s of the death camps, and then ask him why? For what reasons do say what you say? What is to gain by what you say?
He is not an ordinary citizen, he is a Bishop and is held like all others to a higher degree of ethics and morality. He should be a leader of people, instead of a follower.
I would ask the Bishop to sit on one side of a table, across from the people who were in and escaped the death camps. Not only Jews were murdered. A mound of evidence will sit before him and what will the Bishop bring???
His comments mean nothing because he is Richard Williamson. They gain gravity because he holds a high office within the SSPX at the time when the Catholic Church made a historic and wonderful gesture towards the SSPX.
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redrosetea
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You know something.?.I doubt that I would have even wanted to set down with Saul before he became Paul
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We are all a work in progress
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