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Most Catholic go to Mass on Holy Days of Obligation …because they are Holy Days of OBLIGATION, not because they want to or because they see any benefit in it…but because it is a law. IMHO not a very good reason to go to church.
How do you know that?

The reality is that the obligation is hardly a motivator for those who don’t want to go anyway. For me, the obligation it is a gentle reminder that I should give God the worship he is due. I went to Mass this morning with several hundred other Catholics including four Dominican Sisters, three priests and four deacons. The place was packed on a day which is a solemnity but NOT a day of obligation in the Archdiocese of Atlanta. What I saw there today was not the action of people who were obligated to worship under penalty of sin but people wo burned vaction hours and were going in late to work because they love God.

No, the obligation is not a reason to go to Mass. But the obligation means very little to nothing for those who don’t want to go in the first place.

To infer that western Catholics go only because of the obligation and that Byzantine Catholics worship becuase they love God more than other types of Catholics is not only presumption but lack of charity against fellow members of Christ’s body. Wtih all due respect, I sincerly ugre you to examine yourself.

-Tim-
 
Dear Friends,

In the Ukrainian Catholic Church, there certainly is the requirement to attend the Divine Liturgy TOGETHER with the Divine Office (at least Vespers and Matins) on Sundays (aka “day of the Resurrection”) and on specific Holy Days as outlined by our Patriarch and his Patriarchal Synod.

Those days include, but go beyond the days enumerated by the aforementioned code.

Canon Law does exist in the East, but it is different from that in the West and has different emphases that are in keeping with the spirituality of the Christian East.

Thus, for example, the “9 Precepts of the Church” by St Peter Mohyla has nine church laws including the rule to attend Divine Liturgy and the Office on Sundays and Holy Days. The Holy Days include all 12 major Feasts of the Church, to be sure. They will also include those days set aside not only by our Patriarch, but also by our local Eparch/Bishop.

The rule for attendance in the Divine Liturgy in the East is to attend DAILY if we can. St Basil ( I believe it was) said that if a Christian, through his or her own fault, does not attend Divine Liturgy for three consecutive Sundays in a row, he or she is to be excommunicated - period.

Also, the canons of the East stipulate that those attending Divine Liturgy have an obligation to confess and prepare to receive Holy Communion. If even laity, at the time of Communion, cannot go to Holy Communion, they are to explain themselves and if the explanation is unacceptable, they could be excommunicated . . .

And I know of a couple of parishes that actually follow these rules . . . ::eek:

While it is true that there is an Eastern Congregation and a set of canon laws promulgated for the Eastern Catholic Churches, there is no reason, today, for these to exist.

I don’t mean one should be outrightly disrespectful of them, only that Rome, in its wisdom and with the view to fully respecting the patrimony of the Christian East should, in time, abrogate the Eastern Congregation as a failed experiment in trying to centralize, and therefore Romanize, Eastern Church government and also accept that the EC Churches already have and have had their own canonical laws and regulations that include and go beyond what Rome’s Eastern Canon laws are about.

They are, at best, an attempt to model Eastern church canon law on the Roman model which is, at worst, the height of Latinization. Being in communion with Rome means not contradicting what Rome believes and practices. Eastern church canon law does none of that, in fact, it goes beyond what Rome “prescribes” for the EC faithful. In short, the EC Churches do not need Rome to tell it what it has always been doing and more.

If the Roman Catholic Church got out of the business of trying to teach Christian asceticism to the East, then it could focus on trying to get more of its own Latin Catholic members in North America and Europe (those who are not Traditionalists and their name is “Legion”) to follow in the ways of Catholic piety.

Rome can teach the East nothing when it comes to Church attendance etc. Eastern Christians, by virtue of the fact that they have had their services and devotions translated into languages they understand, have grown very close to their Church services. In many Eastern countries under foreign oppression, the Eastern Church is the main institution where the people’s religious and cultural identity is fostered. This only serves to solidify the tremendous bond between Church and people.

We are in communion with Rome, but we are not “in Rome” as the Latin Catholics are. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. We do as the East does.

Alex
 
Alex, as always your posts are illuminating and uplifting. I’m so happy you’ve decided to stay with us! 👍
 
Canon Law does exist in the East, but it is different from that in the West and has different emphases that are in keeping with the spirituality of the Christian East. …

The rule for attendance in the Divine Liturgy in the East is to attend DAILY if we can. …

While it is true that there is an Eastern Congregation and a set of canon laws promulgated for the Eastern Catholic Churches, there is no reason, today, for these to exist. …

They are, at best, an attempt to model Eastern church canon law on the Roman model which is, at worst, the height of Latinization. Being in communion with Rome means not contradicting what Rome believes and practices. Eastern church canon law does none of that, in fact, it goes beyond what Rome “prescribes” for the EC faithful. In short, the EC Churches do not need Rome to tell it what it has always been doing and more. …

Rome can teach the East nothing when it comes to Church attendance etc. Eastern Christians, by virtue of the fact that they have had their services and devotions translated into languages they understand, have grown very close to their Church services. …

We are in communion with Rome, but we are not “in Rome” as the Latin Catholics are. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. We do as the East does.
Very well put, Alex, and of course I agree in principle. 😉 Yet why do I have the feeling that there’s going to be more of the (what has recently become) usual “Yeah but Rome says XYZ and so that’s the way it is” stuff coming in the offing? Now let me see … :hmmm:
 
I guess if you are a Latinized Byzantine Catholic and ascribe to the idea of going to church due to obligation it can be a holy day of obligation…but if you have embraced a Byzantine ethos you go to church on Sundays and Feast days because you have a love for God and desire to worship Him. 😃
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ciero:
Most Catholic go to Mass on Holy Days of Obligation …because they are Holy Days of OBLIGATION, not because they want to or because they see any benefit in it…but because it is a law. IMHO not a very good reason to go to church.
I think you’re going a bit too far.

For example, according to custom in the U.S. (and despite what my mother may say) me and my brothers have an obligation to do something for my mother on Mother’s day. But the fact that we are obliged to do so in no way undermines the real intentions behind whatever it my brothers and I do.

Likewise, the fact that we are obligated to worship God and attend Mass on certain days in no way makes the worship less true or makes it less ‘out of love.’ There are a thousand ways to express one’s love of God. Going to Mass whenever you feel like it is one, but so to is going to Mass when the Church says to (in fact, simply doing what the Church says can be one of the ways).
 
For example, according to custom in the U.S. (and despite what my mother may say) me and my brothers have an obligation to do something for my mother on Mother’s day. But the fact that we are obliged to do so in no way undermines the real intentions behind whatever it my brothers and I do.
I hate to sound like Judy Sheindlin (aka Judge Judy) but I had to correct the bolded portion. It should be “my brothers and I” …
 
Very well put, Alex, and of course I agree in principle. 😉 Yet why do I have the feeling that there’s going to be more of the (what has recently become) usual “Yeah but Rome says XYZ and so that’s the way it is” stuff coming in the offing? Now let me see … :hmmm:
It’s like the Immaculate Conception dogma. The Christian East has ALWAYS highly honoured the Most Holy and Most Pure Mother of God as “All-Immaculate” and “All Holy” from her Conception.

So when Rome defined the IC as a dogma within the framework of its Mariological perspectives and also its understanding of Original Sin, it said nothing to the Eastern Churches at all because we have always believed that Mary was all holy and all pure FROM HER CONCEPTION which is why we have always had an ancient feast in honour of her Conception (on December 9th, as you well know).

But when the East said this, there were and are those in the West who will accuse us of believing that Mary was “conceived in sin” and of rejecting De Fide infallible dogma.

Once again, the main problem is that Rome can and does confuse what is Latin theology with the specific and peculiar issues that theology has with the fact that other Churches with their theologies do not have those same issues.

Alex
 
The concept and terminology of ‘holydays of obligation’ is historically foreign to the Eastern Churches - Catholic or Orthodox, although some Eastern Catholic Churches have now incorporated the terminology into their Particular Law under Latin influence. Ciero put it well! 👍

We do observe Feasts. Among the Churches of Byzantine heritage, we have 12 Great Feasts (sometimes called the Solemn or Major Feasts ). Those are the most important and we should seek to attend Divine Liturgy on those days, if at all possible.
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Hi Diakonia,
Totally foreign? The use of the term ‘holy day of obligation’ maybe foreign, however, the practice is part of our Jewish roots, an Old Testament one.

God made the Sabbath day in which man was commanded to take time out to honor Him, and was to do noting but think, pray and honor HIM.

The Jew was without excuse, there was no reason not to attend Sabbath, Holy days or feasts under the law. If he did he was ostracized from the community until he reconciled his differences.

Using Webster’s dictionary definition , kinda left that point, We are free in Christ, but we still must partake in a day off to honor and Worship God. If you work on a Sunday? well. find another day, or take time out to do so… In The O.T. times there was no choice about how and when and where you Worship. This carried into the Tradition of the Church, every day we are to pray and meditate on the LORD. holy days of obligation are days set aside for all the community to praise and give thanks… after all we nourish ourselves with food 3x a day everyday… One day a week is not enough to nourish our immortal souls. That’s why we have Holy Days of Obligation… to get our butts to Church to celebrate our faith In Christ and His Church.

God bless,
John
 
Cristiano said:
…A lot of things that are patrimony of the Latin Church came to be because of particular western issues that never affected the eastern world, thus we should keep what is western to the west and we should not automatically dump it on the eastern world that did not experience those historical events. …
It’s like the Immaculate Conception dogma. The Christian East has ALWAYS highly honoured the Most Holy and Most Pure Mother of God as “All-Immaculate” and “All Holy” from her Conception.

So when Rome defined the IC as a dogma within the framework of its Mariological perspectives and also its understanding of Original Sin, it said nothing to the Eastern Churches at all because we have always believed that Mary was all holy and all pure FROM HER CONCEPTION which is why we have always had an ancient feast in honour of her Conception (on December 9th, as you well know).

But when the East said this, there were and are those in the West who will accuse us of believing that Mary was “conceived in sin” and of rejecting De Fide infallible dogma.

Once again, the main problem is that Rome can and does confuse what is Latin theology with the specific and peculiar issues that theology has with the fact that other Churches with their theologies do not have those same issues.

Alex
Alex this is a great example of what I was talking about. 👍
 
It’s like the Immaculate Conception dogma. …
And so, too, the Dormition (aka Assumption, and I always refer back to the traditional Syriac designation, which isn’t so much “dormition” as it is “resting” but I digress) which we celebrate today. 🙂
 
UnionOfHearts said:
Being in communion with Rome means obeying Rome, theres no two ways about it. It’s one thing to disobey a Pope or claim cannon law is wrong if someone can make a cogent argument that it contradicts the churches infallible doctrines, saying ‘its not our tradition we don’t have to follow it’ isnt a cogent argument.

As for imposing latinization, maybe thats because Rome believes that the East’s genuine tradition is to obey and follow Rome and indeed Rome makes a very cogent argument in that regard. Forcing people to use confessionals or imposing celibacy on Eastern Rite priests is one thing, asking people to follow the Church’s infallible dogma is quite another.
So you are saying that having the Feast of the Assumption as a day of obligation is an infallible dogma of the Church?
 
So you are saying that having the Feast of the Assumption as a day of obligation is an infallible dogma of the Church?
The popes ability to make days holy days of obligation or not, amongst other things certainly is.
 
The popes ability to make days holy days of obligation or not, amongst other things certainly is.
Dear UnionofHearts,

I’ve no wish to get in the middle of anything here! 🙂

The point is that the Eastern Catholic Churches have always had their own liturgical days, holydays, or days on which attendance at Divine Liturgy and the daily Office are enjoined.

The Feast of the Dormition is certainly one among the 12 major “high holidays” including Pascha/the Feast of the Resurrection and others.

The Eastern canon law tells us nothing about what we haven’t been doing already - and much more than what is outlined in that canon law.

I guess, to put it another way, some EC’s get their noses out of joint when they see Rome telling us what to do, when we already have been doing it for centuries.

This comes across as needlessly paternalistic and even, yes, offensive. Rome could have simply allowed the EC’s canon laws to stand as they were (believe me, the East’s canon laws, as outlined in the Rudder, are much more onerous than anything the West can come up with). And the Eastern Congregation in Rome is way past its “best before” date for a number of reasons.

Rome has asked us to return to our traditions. It is time for Rome herself to take this advice and not introduce “Latin documents about the East.”

And I don’t understand why, for example, the Latin Church in America has relegated mostly all the ‘days of obligation’ to Sundays (am I correct - I’ve seen this on an RC calendar when I was in Florida last).

The EC Churches, on the other hand, keep their holydays on the “day of” and don’t try to move them to the nearest Sunday.

It is important for Latin Catholics to come know the Catholic East a bit better or at least as well as they seem to know their Protestant brethren and others.

The discipline of the holydays of the East is what initially kept me from embracing a more Eastern parish . . .

And “obligation” sounds positively blasphemous to Eastern ears. Either we love and adore God in Christ through the Spirit in His Church and take this commitment seriously, or we do not. If a better term could be arrived at . . .

Cheers,

Alex
 
Why are we arguing over this? Seriously? Again, as I’ve stated before on another post, we should stop bickering over “Latinizations.” It’s nothing more than The Evil One trying to tear apart our unity.

Ok, the question was answered, although it’s not called “Holy Day of Obligation” one still has to go to Divine Liturgy, regardless of whether it’s out of obligation or out of love, East or West.

Why are we fighting? 😦
 
The point is that the Eastern Catholic Churches have always had their own liturgical days, holydays, or days on which attendance at Divine Liturgy and the daily Office are enjoined.

The Eastern canon law tells us nothing about what we haven’t been doing already - and much more than what is outlined in that canon law.

This comes across as needlessly paternalistic and even, yes, offensive. Rome could have simply allowed the EC’s canon laws to stand as they were (believe me, the East’s canon laws, as outlined in the Rudder, are much more onerous than anything the West can come up with).

It is important for Latin Catholics to come know the Catholic East a bit better or at least as well as they seem to know their Protestant brethren and others.

The discipline of the holydays of the East is what initially kept me from embracing a more Eastern parish . . .

And “obligation” sounds positively blasphemous to Eastern ears. Either we love and adore God in Christ through the Spirit in His Church and take this commitment seriously, or we do not. If a better term could be arrived at . . .

Cheers,

Alex
Is there an english translation of ‘The Rudder?’ I’m studying law so it will probably be of some interest.

As for latinizations I’m really not getting into the subject, whilst I think there is some truth to the idea i.e confessional boxes and so on, I think the unhealthy overemphasis on it has a lot to do with some who have a false idea of what it means to be catholic and think they can reject anything that comes out of Rome that they don’t like and/or an insecurity amongst many Eastern Catholics, albeit one which is mildly justified.

The idea of obligations has already been gone over, ALL catholics have certain obligations on them imposed by the church, I see no need to bicker over it anymore than this.
 
What are the “holy days of obligation” in the Latin Rite?

Alex
Canon 1246 §1 The Lord’s Day, on which the paschal mystery is celebrated, is by apostolic
tradition to be observed in the universal Church as the primary holyday of obligation. In the same
way the following holydays are to be observed: the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the
Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christ, the feast of Mary the
Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of St Joseph, the feast of
the Apostles SS Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints.
§2 However, the Episcopal Conference may, with the prior approval of the Apostolic See,
suppress certain holydays of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday
.’

There’s your answer
 
Canon 1246 §1 The Lord’s Day, on which the paschal mystery is celebrated, is by apostolic
tradition to be observed in the universal Church as the primary holyday of obligation. In the same
way the following holydays are to be observed: the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the
Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christ, the feast of Mary the
Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of St Joseph, the feast of
the Apostles SS Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints.
§2 However, the Episcopal Conference may, with the prior approval of the Apostolic See,
suppress certain holydays of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday
.’

There’s your answer
If I may ask…why do you come here to the Eastern forum? Just to push your Latin perspective?
 
If I may ask…why do you come here to the Eastern forum? Just to push your Latin perspective?
:confused: Neither quoting the Code of Canons of the Easter Churches nor anything else I have done is ‘Latin’, in fact if you’re going to be using such language at all i suggest you refrain from posting.
 
soooooo…your point is?
Firstly we do not just live for ourselves, we set a good example for others. It is a good example to be at Church on the feasts, this is putting on Christ.

Secondly, we obligate ourselves when we live the Christlike life. “1 : the action of obligating oneself to a course of action (as by a promise or vow)”

Thirdly, it is also good to obey our Lord ( e.g., assist at Church, even if we do not feel like it) who said (Mark 9:43-44):

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And if thy hand scandalize thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life, maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into unquenchable fire: Where there worm dieth not, and the fire is not extinguished.
 
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