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tamie
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Is tomorrow a Holy Day of Obligation?
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thistle
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Yes. Its Epiphany.
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John_Higgins
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No, not in the United States.
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thistle
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John Higgins:
I should have qualified my Yes by saying it is for the universal church but in some countries the day of obligation has been transferred to Sunday.
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Chatter163
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This is not entirely correct, as it gives the misleading impression that Epiphany is a holy day of obligation everywhere, and it is simply a matter of attending Friday when the feast is observed that day, or Sunday where it is observed that day.
It is true that the solemnity may be transferred to Sunday, particularly in countries where it is not a holy day of obligation. For this reason in the USA, it is observed on Sunday–except in TLM indult communites, where it is still observed tomorrow.
However, that is the option of the bishops conference. The Church has a list of solemnities that are the potential holy days for any country, but then the bishops conference from each country actually chooses which of the solemnities WILL actually be holy days of obligation. Hence, Epiphany is a day of obligation in England and Canada, but not in the USA. Similarly, the Ascension is a holy day in the USA, Canada and England, but in England it is on Thursday, in Canada it is on Sunday and in the USA, it depends on which diocese one is in, as to whether it is observed on Thursday or Sunday. Meanwhile, the Immaculate Conception is a holy day in the USA, as she is our national patroness, but it is in few other countries. (Confused, yet?)
But all of these days are solemnities; it is simply a matter of which days the bishops of each country chose to make holy days of obligation.
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tee_eff_em
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I disagree.This is not entirely correct, as it gives the misleading impression that Epiphany is a holy day of obligation everywhere, and it is simply a matter of attending Friday when the feast is observed that day, or Sunday where it is observed that day.
It is true that the solemnity may be transferred to Sunday, particularly in countries where it is not a holy day of obligation. For this reason in the USA, it is observed on Sunday–except in TLM indult communites, where it is still observed tomorrow.
However, that is the option of the bishops conference. The Church has a list of solemnities that are the potential holy days for any country, but then the bishops conference from each country actually chooses which of the solemnities WILL actually be holy days of obligation. Hence, Epiphany is a day of obligation in England and Canada, but not in the USA. Similarly, the Ascension is a holy day in the USA, Canada and England, but in England it is on Thursday, in Canada it is on Sunday and in the USA, it depends on which diocese one is in, as to whether it is observed on Thursday or Sunday. Meanwhile, the Immaculate Conception is a holy day in the USA, as she is our national patroness, but it is in few other countries. (Confused, yet?)
But all of these days are solemnities; it is simply a matter of which days the bishops of each country chose to make holy days of obligation.
It seems to me that the canon enumerates the power of the bishops’ conference to supress the obligation ***or ***transfer to Sunday, but not both?
Epiphany is a day of obligation in the USA by virtue of its having been transferred to Sunday, which is a day of obligation.
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John_Higgins
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Sorry, I answered the real question asked, which was “Am I obligated to go to Mass tomorrow?”
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QUICUMQUE_VULT
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I had a shock today at daily Mass. I assist at the Tridentine mass on Sundays, But during the week I assist at the Novus Ordo. So I went to Mass Today and did something I never do. I picked up one of the little paper Missalettes, I never look through these things, I find them far too confusing. So I wanted to read the readings for the Feast of the Epiphany which is Jan 6 right? I was suprised to see it transfered to Jan 8, When did this happen? and why? can anyone help me on this?
You know I heard Cardinal Rigali say on EWTN, (I think it was his installation Mass) (Dont ask for links or quotes, or reference to documents) (because I dont have them) that the Bishops were going to propose A fixed date for Easter. Anyone else heard of this? I sometimes feel like we are losing Our since of “Sacred Time” the natural rhythms, of the Seasons ie (Ember Days) Why is this? Modern convenience?
You know I heard Cardinal Rigali say on EWTN, (I think it was his installation Mass) (Dont ask for links or quotes, or reference to documents) (because I dont have them) that the Bishops were going to propose A fixed date for Easter. Anyone else heard of this? I sometimes feel like we are losing Our since of “Sacred Time” the natural rhythms, of the Seasons ie (Ember Days) Why is this? Modern convenience?
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Chatter163
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As has been mentioned throughout this thread, when Epiphany is not a holiday of obligation (which it never was in this country), it is transferred to the closest Sunday.
This has been the practice in this and many other countries for the past thirty-five years, since the missal of Paul VI, with its attendant kalendar, took effect.
This has been the practice in this and many other countries for the past thirty-five years, since the missal of Paul VI, with its attendant kalendar, took effect.
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QUICUMQUE_VULT
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Well i didnt know since i wasnt even born when the Novus Ordo was promulgated. And i wasnt even Catholic. as i have stated on this Board before, I am A convert and for my Entire Catholic life I have been assisting almost exclusively at the Tridentine mass. So I guess I am “behind the Times” so to speak
I only recently began going to daily mass (Novus Ordo) So only recently has my exposure to the N ovus Ordo expanded.
Another question, What happens to the 12 days of Christmas?
If the Feast is moveable we could now have anywhere from 13 to 18 days of Christmas.
Are they going to rewrite the song?
If they are the possibilities are endless!
Boy would they be endless
I only recently began going to daily mass (Novus Ordo) So only recently has my exposure to the N ovus Ordo expanded.
Another question, What happens to the 12 days of Christmas?
If the Feast is moveable we could now have anywhere from 13 to 18 days of Christmas.
Are they going to rewrite the song?
If they are the possibilities are endless!
Boy would they be endless
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Br.Rich_SFO
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In the universal calendar, but not in the US. It is transfered to Sunday the 8th.
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Patchunky
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For Eastern Christians, yes, it is.
It is the Feast of the Theophany, the Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan by St. John the Baptist.
In the Eastern Church, this is the day when Holy Water is blessed and there is a procession to the local stream or river and the flowing water is blessed.
Hope this helps…
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Digitonomy
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QUICUMQUE VULT:
I ask because I rather doubt a fixed Easter is a serious current proposal. If that were the case, I would expect this board would be knee-deep with proponents from either side.
But for the record, the Church is not opposed to a fixed date for Easter, and stated just that in an appendix of Sacrosanctum Concilium, a document issued by the Secord Vatican Council. I suspect it was just a fad of the day, which for whatever reason the Council decided to address in a way open to the possibility, but also in a manner which was decidedly neither positive nor negative.
What was the gist of his comments? Was he opposed, in favor, or using the topic as some kind of introduction to the real meat of his homily?
I ask because I rather doubt a fixed Easter is a serious current proposal. If that were the case, I would expect this board would be knee-deep with proponents from either side.
But for the record, the Church is not opposed to a fixed date for Easter, and stated just that in an appendix of Sacrosanctum Concilium, a document issued by the Secord Vatican Council. I suspect it was just a fad of the day, which for whatever reason the Council decided to address in a way open to the possibility, but also in a manner which was decidedly neither positive nor negative.
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QUICUMQUE_VULT
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He was in favor. And yes I think it is A serious proposal.
There was no “Meat” to his Homily, (That I could tell) It was so boring, It could have been used for Riot control. LOL
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SummaTheo
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QUICUMQUE VULT:
On the current Church calender if the Sunday falls on January 2-8 the Epiphany will be celebrated then not on January 6. If it doesn’t fall then, it is celebrated on the 6th. The old calendar it would always fall on the 6th and the Sunday after the 6th would be the Holy Family.
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tee_eff_em
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I cannot speak to the old calendar, nor necessarily to calendars outside the United States.
There is **always **exactly one Sunday among January 2-8. In the US, on this Sunday Epiphany is celebrated.
The Feast of the Baptism of the Lord is celebrated on the Sunday following January 6.
When the Solemnity of Epiphany is transferred to a Sunday which falls on January 7 or 8 (as this year), the Feast of the Baptism of the Lord is celebrated on the following Monday.
(Ubi sollemnitas Epiphaniae ad dominicam transfertur, quae incidit die 7 vel 8 ianuarii occurrit, festum Baptismatis Domini celebratur feria secunda sequenti.)
The Feast of the Holy Family is celebrated on the Sunday within the octave of Christmas, or, such being lacking (as in this liturgical year), on (Friday) December 30.
(Dominica infra octavam Nativitatis, vel, ea deficiente, die 30 decembris)
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