Holy Eucharist-In hand or in mouth?

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JKirk,

For what it is worth, a Carmelite priest explained to me and my wife how Communion in the hand got started. The Pope granted an indult to a single tribe in Africa. It seemed that they had a very real cultural phobia that didn’t allow them to eat food that someone else put in their mouth. This phobia was causing problems in converting them to Catholicism. A few “progressive” liturgists in the U. S. grabbed that indult and used it as justification allowing communion in the hand here. It then became the “in” thing to do and became so widespread that it seemed impossible to return to communion on the tongue.

Now Father was telling us this before it ever became legal in the U. S. He was sure it would never be allowed to stand once the Pope ruled on it.
 
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SnorterLuster:
JKirk,

For what it is worth, a Carmelite priest explained to me and my wife how Communion in the hand got started. The Pope granted an indult to a single tribe in Africa. It seemed that they had a very real cultural phobia that didn’t allow them to eat food that someone else put in their mouth. This phobia was causing problems in converting them to Catholicism. A few “progressive” liturgists in the U. S. grabbed that indult and used it as justification allowing communion in the hand here. It then became the “in” thing to do and became so widespread that it seemed impossible to return to communion on the tongue.

Now Father was telling us this before it ever became legal in the U. S. He was sure it would never be allowed to stand once the Pope ruled on it.
Since I began visiting these forums, that’s the first time I’ve heard this story. It may well be true, but whether it’s true or not is still beside the point. Reception in the hand is allowed by the Church, therefore it isn’t an abuse, as is aledged. I think that word gets batted around alot here without any real appreciation for its import.
 
As has been pointed out the host was historically taken in the hand, then changed to on the tongue then we were given the option. It seems far too many people are more concerned with their own perceptions of how things should be and not concerned enough with what the Holy Mother Church teaches. On the tongue or in the hand is your choice. One is not better than the other. Either way you are accepting Jesus and that should always be the focus.

Peace,

George
 
A thoughtful article from HOMELITIC & PASTORAL REVIEW March 1997 on communion in the hand:
catholic-pages.com/mass/inhand.asp

The modern practice of permitting communion in the hand did start as an abuse (I don’t know about the African tribe) but for countries like Germany and the US. Here is a little history and perspective from the EWTN priests on the current reception of communion in the hand:

“Withdrawing this permission in our time on account of the abuses is certainly something Rome could do.”
ewtn.com/expert/answers/communion_in_hand.htm

“Primitive Catholics used to receive Communion in the hand, and then later on distribute Jesus to the sick and absent brothers. But abuses crept it and the Eucharist was abused especially with neglect. So the Church decreed Communion on the tongue. Modern liturgiologists thought it would be more mature to receive Jesus in the hand and then feed ourselves, than to continue to be fed by the priest on our tongue, like litte children. That was the motive.”
ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=388280&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2004&Author=&Keyword=communion+in+the+hand&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=18&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=

“Only after years of petitioning and disobedience on the part of many priests, who distributed Holy Communion in the hand at a time when it was forbidden, did the Vatican capitulate to such demands and practice.”
ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=401840&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2004&Author=&Keyword=communion+in+the+hand&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=13&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=

Although it was later approved, that doesn’t mean the Church is indifferent about reception in the hand versus on the tongue:

“There is an apostolic letter on the existence of a special valid permission for this [Communion in the hand]. But I tell you that I am not in favor of this practice, nor do I recommend it.” - His Holiness Pope John Paul II, responding to a reporter from Stimme des glaubens magazine, during his visit to Fulda (Germany) in November 1980.

"In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See. However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. "

"But one must not forget the primary office of priests, who have been consecrated by their ordination to represent Christ the Priest: for this reason their hands, like their words and their will, have become the direct instruments of Christ. "

from Dominicae Cenae -
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_let_24021980_dominicae-cenae_en.html
 
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Confiteor:
"In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See. However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. "

"But one must not forget the primary office of priests, who have been consecrated by their ordination to represent Christ the Priest: for this reason their hands, like their words and their will, have become the direct instruments of Christ. "

from Dominicae Cenae -
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_let_24021980_dominicae-cenae_en.html
Please see above bolded: If your desire is to use this to say that the hands of priests alone may touch the Sacred Species, I’m afraid you can’t because it doesn’t say that. It’s teaching that their hands are His, like their words and their wills, at His disposal. It has nothing at all to do with whether or not their hands alone may touch the Sacred Species. If the Holy See doesn’t want us to rec. by hand, then they need to with draw permission. Until then, they seem content to leave it to our prudential judgement. It seemed to satisfy the old Holy Father to leave it to us, though he didn’t like the idea.

But then, we’ve all been round and round about this on other threads ad nauseum.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Since I began visiting these forums, that’s the first time I’ve heard this story. It may well be true, but whether it’s true or not is still beside the point. Reception in the hand is allowed by the Church, therefore it isn’t an abuse, as is aledged. I think that word gets batted around alot here without any real appreciation for its import.
To flesh out the story, my wife was taking instructions to convert at a Carmelite Monastary/Parish here in OKC. The year was about 1974 or 1975. My very liberal home parish had just started administering Communion in the hand or tongue. We still knelt at the Communion rail and the priest and the altar boy with the paten still administered the sacarment. I asked Father when Rome had made the change and he replied that they never had. He said it was an abuse started by a few priests and bishops. He was confident the Holy Father would crack down on the practice in the American church.

As you say, it is not an abuse now. It was an abuse when it started, but became so wide spread and ingrained that Rome apparently decided to not fight the battle of outlawing the practice.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Please see above bolded: If your desire is to use this to say that the hands of priests alone may touch the Sacred Species, I’m afraid you can’t because it doesn’t say that. It’s teaching that their hands are His, like their words and their wills, at His disposal. It has nothing at all to do with whether or not their hands alone may touch the Sacred Species. If the Holy See doesn’t want us to rec. by hand, then they need to with draw permission. Until then, they seem content to leave it to our prudential judgement. It seemed to satisfy the old Holy Father to leave it to us, though he didn’t like the idea.

But then, we’ve all been round and round about this on other threads ad nauseum.
A little quick on the click, aren’t you? I might suggest you read the entire letter…as well as the other references…the Pope’s comment clarifies the special character of the hands of the ordained priest and it is pretty clear from the context as well as his own practices, in what manner Pope JP II preferred people to receive. If you’ve been “round and round on this” topic, you needn’t comment further though…
 
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Confiteor:
A little quick on the click, aren’t you? I might suggest you read the entire letter…as well as the other references…the Pope’s comment clarifies the special character of the hands of the ordained priest and it is pretty clear from the context as well as his own practices, in what manner Pope JP II preferred people to receive. If you’ve been “round and round on this” topic, you needn’t comment further though…
I feel the need to comment because of the pomposity and “holier than thou/more Catholic than the pope” attitude historically displayed by some (please note I said some) who go so far to say that it is Protestant to receive in the hand and so Catholics shouldn’t do it AND those who grudgingly allow it, but claim that it is somehow holier to receive on the tongue and who want to brow beat those of us who choose to receive in the hand as somehow lesser. I did read the entire letter. Communion in the hand was the practice of the patristic Church for a ALL, lay and ordained. The Church, exercising her rightful authority, decided to have the laity receive on the tongue. Centuries passed. She then decided to allow it. If she allows it, it isn’t an abuse. It isn’t clear that the context states that Holy Father was teaching that only consecrated hands could handle the Sacred Species. I note you didn’t quote this paragraph in toto:

"In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See. However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. It also happens, on occasion, that the free choice of those who prefer to continue the practice of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue is not taken into account in those places where the distribution of Communion in the hand has been authorized. It is therefore difficult in the context of this present letter not to mention the sad phenomena previously referred to. This is in no way meant to refer to those who, receiving the Lord Jesus in the hand, do so with profound reverence and devotion, in those countries where this practice has been authorized."

Here’s the entire paragraph, plus one, that you printed last:

"But one must not forget the primary office of priests, who have been consecrated by their ordination to represent Christ the Priest: for this reason their hands, like their words and their will, have become the direct instruments of Christ. Through this fact, that is, as ministers of the Holy Eucharist, they have a primary responsibility for the sacred species, because it is a total responsibility: they offer the bread and wine, they consecrate it, and then distribute the sacred species to the participants in the assembly who wish to receive them. Deacons can only bring to the altar the offerings of the faithful and, once they have been consecrated by the priest, distribute them. How eloquent therefore, even if not of ancient custom, is the rite of the anointing of the hands in our Latin ordination, as though precisely for these hands a special grace and power of the Holy Spirit is necessary!

To touch the sacred species and to distribute them with their own hands is a privilege of the ordained, one which indicates an active participation in the ministry of the Eucharist. It is obvious that the Church can grant this faculty to those who are neither priests nor deacons, as is the case with acolytes in the exercise of their ministry, especially if they are destined for future ordination, or with other lay people who are chosen for this to meet a just need, but always after an adequate preparation."

All he’s saying is that care must be taken in the handling of the Sacred Species and that it is the responsibility of the ordained to see that it is. No where, in the context of this address, is reception in the hand called deplorable or even undesireable, though abuses certainly are. I have no doubt that the old Holy Father didn’t care for communion in the hand, but he obviously felt that bishops and their people could make a prudential judgement concerning it or he would have ended it. You just can’t prove that he felt like this using this address, not if you look at context (a skill in in being able to read critically). AND if you’ll note, my first post supported the right of the OP to rec. on the tongue.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
No, it’s always YOUR option, once the bishop has allowed an option in his diocese. You could have presented yourself in line to this priest and he would have had to give it to you on the tongue. You can always get into the line where the priest distributes communion as well (I don’t think there’s a law written to support this, but neither is there one forbidding it and they are SUPPOSED to be “extraordinary” ministers). I rec. in the hand and it doesn’t bother me to rec. from an EMHC, but no one can trample on your rights as established by the church.
Hi Kirk, what you say is indeed correct, but I have seen Priests refuse to give communion on the tongue. Not just once or twice but many many times. It is not always as cut and dreid as some would have us believe. 🙂
 
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palmas85:
Hi Kirk, what you say is indeed correct, but I have seen Priests refuse to give communion on the tongue. Not just once or twice but many many times. It is not always as cut and dreid as some would have us believe. 🙂
Then that is wrong (please see the fifth post after the OP) and those priests should be reported to their bishops. If their bishops don’t take action, then they need to complain to the Holy See (Cardinal Arinze’s Congregation).
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Then that is wrong (please see the fifth post after the OP) and those priests should be reported to their bishops. If their bishops don’t take action, then they need to complain to the Holy See (Cardinal Arinze’s Congregation).
Yeah I know it’s wrong, but given how slack the Church has been overall with discipline, do you really think the Bishops will do anything? I somehow doubt it.
 
A couple of years ago a really bad flu was going around and the diocese that we lived in decided NO recieving on the tongue until the flu had stopped its peak season. The fact is that when a minister of the eucharist has to put the host inside of someone elses mouth, they often get breathed on or a little bit of saliva on their hand. When you have a flu that is ravaging a city, it seemed drastic but necesary.
 
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palmas85:
Yeah I know it’s wrong, but given how slack the Church has been overall with discipline, do you really think the Bishops will do anything? I somehow doubt it.
But, Palmas, there are places to which they can turn:

st-joseph-foundation.org/

I do understand your cynicism, however; I’ve often thought that nothing would change re: predator priests until the door of a jail cell clanged shut on a bishop.
 
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thistle:
Both are permitted. In my church I would guess more than half the congregation receive in the hand but I receive on the tongue.
Lexee and Thistle:

According the GIRM, taking our Lord’s body on the tongue is the normative and preferred manner of receiving the Eucharist. Receiving him in the hand is also permitted in most countries, provided this is done reverently and in good order.

NO Priest, Deacon or EMHC has the right to deny any Communicant the Eucharist on the tongue (some still do). Whereas, it is forbidden to receive on the hand in most areas of the ME and in some other parts of the world.

Your statement is correct in the USA, but you will want to ask or observe the congregation when travelling abroad.

I’ve found it, generally, to be easier to be more reverent taking our Lord on the tongue. I also tend to like the symbolism of being fed by the Priest rather than the symbolism of independently feeding myself - It asserts my dependence on God and on His Church.

In Christ, Michael
 
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thistle:
None of what you mention above is disrespecting the Eucharist. Are you honestly saying the Pope and Council of Bishops who determine what should be done are disrespecting the Eucharist?
No, I am not saying that anything promulgated by the Pope, the Office of Worship or implementation of Vatican council documents is disrespecting the Eucharist. I am saying that in my experience, which seems to be shared by many or most of my generation, that the way in which some of these changes was implemented in many parishes in this country led to a climate of disrespect for the Eucharist on the part of the people who are no longer catechised in respect for the Eucharist.

If we were taught as children that we were unworthy to touch the sacred species and that the priest’s thumb and first two fingers were specially consecrated to handle the blessed host, and that genuflection to Christ reserved in the tabernacle indicated our deep reverence, and that we knelt to receive to indicate this reverence–and then overnight taught, nope, it was all a mistake, then quite naturally we assumed that former respect had been exaggerated. This led to an overall decline in respect, which has been commented upon repeatedly on this forum.

By the way, the liturgical changes in the wake of V2 did not mandate reception of the Eucharist in the hand. This was an indult intended for a limited time to certain dioceses in the US and now has become the norm here. It is not the norm elsewhere, and is not one of the liturgical reforms of the council.
 
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beckyann2597:
A couple of years ago a really bad flu was going around and the diocese that we lived in decided NO recieving on the tongue until the flu had stopped its peak season. The fact is that when a minister of the eucharist has to put the host inside of someone elses mouth, they often get breathed on or a little bit of saliva on their hand. When you have a flu that is ravaging a city, it seemed drastic but necesary.
Becky:

I know that many Catholic parishes and some Diocese adopted that measure.

We didn’t at St. Mary’s. It was only strongly suggested that those who felt they might be getting sick should receive by intinction or take our Lord in the hand. - That’s what I did as I caught the flu prior to joining and didn’t want my fellow parishioners to get it.

We had one parishioner who was undergoing chemotherapy - some was set aside for her and she communicated separately.

These were the measures suggested by a former president of the American Association for Physicians Assistants who had treated AIDS patients from 1982 to 1997.

The rest took St. Paul’s admonition to heart and prayed. I don’t recall any flu epidemics devastating St. Mary’s, and the parish grew closer because of this than it otherwise would have.

There are other ways of dealing with the flu than denying people the comfort of receiving our Lord on the tongue.

In Christ, Michael
 
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puzzleannie:
No, I am not saying that anything promulgated by the Pope, the Office of Worship or implementation of Vatican council documents is disrespecting the Eucharist. I am saying that in my experience, which seems to be shared by many or most of my generation, that the way in which some of these changes was implemented in many parishes in this country led to a climate of disrespect for the Eucharist on the part of the people who are no longer catechised in respect for the Eucharist.

If we were taught as children that we were unworthy to touch the sacred species and that the priest’s thumb and first two fingers were specially consecrated to handle the blessed host, and that genuflection to Christ reserved in the tabernacle indicated our deep reverence, and that we knelt to receive to indicate this reverence–and then overnight taught, nope, it was all a mistake, then quite naturally we assumed that former respect had been exaggerated. This led to an overall decline in respect, which has been commented upon repeatedly on this forum.

By the way, the liturgical changes in the wake of V2 did not mandate reception of the Eucharist in the hand. This was an indult intended for a limited time to certain dioceses in the US and now has become the norm here. It is not the norm elsewhere, and is not one of the liturgical reforms of the council.
You might be right but I don’t think it was an indult. GIRM 160 states “…The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant…”
This is also not only for the USA but globally for the Church.
 
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thistle:
You might be right but I don’t think it was an indult. GIRM 160 states “…The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant…”
This is also not only for the USA but globally for the Church.
From the GIRM on the USCCB website:
Including Adaptations
for the Dioceses of the United States of America
This text is confirmed for use in the Dioceses of the United States of America. Persons from other nations should consult the local Episcopal Conference regarding the appropriate text for their nation.
 
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Catholic2003:
I might have gone a bit far saying it was global but I can say that it is normal in the Asian countries that I have attended Mass many times, including Singapore, Hong Hong, and here in the Philippines.
From other threads I have seen that it is also normal in many other countries.

The GIRM English version without the USA adaptations 161 states: "…either on the tongue or, where this is allowed and if the Communicant so chooses, in the hand…
I guess it is allowed all or most places.
Personally I receive on the tongue but I have no problem with people receiving in the hand when it is allowed. I don’t see it as irreverant or disrespectful.
 
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