Holy Eucharist in Plastic Cups?

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pnewton said:
I for one am astonished that with such an amazing demonstration of Catholic faith in young people that the cups used are some sort of issue. That would be like gazing on the crucifixion and commented on the quality of wood.
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I wonder which would matter most to Jesus?
 
Where’d someone get 3000 chalices? That’s if you can fit 1000 hosts in each.

Maybe Francis wanted to be sure 3,000,000 people could receive and was ok to set aside a rule that I believe is well within his authority to do.
 
pnewton said:
One can not compare even 60,000 with three million. The logistics of having 50 times as many are staggering.

I for one am astonished that with such an amazing demonstration of Catholic faith in young people that the cups used are some sort of issue. That would be like gazing on the crucifixion and commented on the quality of wood.
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This wasn’t a “gazing on the crucifixion” moment. Those people were supposed to be receiving Our Lord. This was not just a simple moment of reflection but the reception of the Holiest of Sacraments. If this can not be done in the most reverent way possible then it would not be wrong if the alternative to this,( plastic cups being passed around) is a spiritual communion. The whole 3 million strong did not have to receive.

It was wrong to place the Blessed Sacrament in a plastic cup. It should not have happened. Catholics who believe in the Real Presents should be outraged! This should never happen under this Pope or any other for that matter. I hope it never happens again. Turning a blind eye and pretending it’s no big deal is not the way to fix this very big problem.
 
shoulderangel said:
This wasn’t a “gazing on the crucifixion” moment. Those people were supposed to be receiving Our Lord. This was not just a simple moment of reflection but the reception of the Holiest of Sacraments. If this can not be done in the most reverent way possible then it would not be wrong if the alternative to this,( plastic cups being passed around) is a spiritual communion. The whole 3 million strong did not have to receive.

It was wrong to place the Blessed Sacrament in a plastic cup. It should not have happened. Catholics who believe in the Real Presents should be outraged! This should never happen under this Pope or any other for that matter. I hope it never happens again. Turning a blind eye and pretending it’s no big deal is not the way to fix this very big problem.
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i seem to remember sinners touching jesus on a daily basis and prostututes crying over his feet and drying with her hair. i don’t think a little plastic is going to damage him. if people don’t believe in the real presence, they have faith issues. gold vs plastic doesn’t change that. especially for extenuating circumstances. it’s not like htis happens in regular mass. if they are able to uses chalices, by all means. but it it’s not logistically possible then exceptions can be made. o don’t believe letting only certain people receive communion. how exactly would you decide that anyways, only males? only females, blonds brunets? his flesh and blood give life, i feel like that’s a bigger deal than the type of vessel used for a one time event
 
I guess here’s the real question (or at least one of them): Is it prudent to distribute Holy Communion in such situations with such vessels where it could be more likely that sacrilege takes place, or would it be better to encourage spiritual communion for most and only distribute-in proper vessels-to only a select few pilgrims?
 
padrepio_2012 said:
here’s an idea. actually follow the Church and show true respect for Our Lord and use the proper vessels. you want the youth to become stronger in faith? show them. show them that Jesus is really there and worthy of a more honorable vessel. .
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Since this probably was simply not logistically possible, it is better that Jesus reside in the most important vessel of all, the faithful themselves.
 
The Church makes rules for a reason. The rules surrounding the distribution of the Blessed Sacrament are there to show proper reverence to God. The WYD event could have been a great opportunity to teach the youth about the proper reception of Our Lord. Instead it appears irreverence was the order of the moment. Instead of a very Holy Communion, those young people were thought that these things don’t matter.

I was going to say this type of thing only opens the door to abuses but that ship has sailed. The smoke of satan has entered and the only way to regain sanity is a complete recovery of tradition.
 
shoulderangel said:
If this can not be done in the most reverent way possible then it would not be wrong if the alternative to this,( plastic cups being passed around) is a spiritual communion. The whole 3 million strong did not have to receive.

It was wrong to place the Blessed Sacrament in a plastic cup. It should not have happened. Catholics who believe in the Real Presents should be outraged! This .
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Pope Francis believes in the Real Presence (not presents) and I suggest he does not agree. I suggest that he seemed more feeled with joy at this opportunity to have communion with three million young people. Outrage? I didn’t see that with him.

I love this Pope! He has truly shown us the heart of Jesus.
This wasn’t a “gazing on the crucifixion” moment.
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That is a matter of opinion. I think the analogy is** quite** apt, foot of Calvary and all. Plastic versus type of wood.
 
Esrb99 said:
I guess here’s the real question (or at least one of them): Is it prudent to distribute Holy Communion in such situations with such vessels where it could be more likely that sacrilege takes place, or would it be better to encourage spiritual communion for most and only distribute-in proper vessels-to only a select few pilgrims?
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There is no factual reason to believe that a sacrilege would be more likely to take place at that Mass than at any large Mass anywhere else in the world.
 
Esrb99 said:
I guess here’s the real question (or at least one of them): Is it prudent to distribute Holy Communion in such situations with such vessels where it could be more likely that sacrilege takes place, or would it be better to encourage spiritual communion for most and only distribute-in proper vessels-to only a select few pilgrims?
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I would say since it is a matter of prudence, the question has been answered by the pontiff. The Holy Eucharist is for Man, not Man for the Eucharist. I think if we lose sight of this, then we take the role of those others who misunderstood the meaning of the Sabbath.

While I understand the desire to always give Christ the greatest honor, I can not help but believe that Jesus is far more pleased with the honor given by these pilgrims who endured to partake in his body in such numbers than he would have by being denied so many he loved so that he could reside in a gold plated cup.
 
pnewton said:
Pope Francis believes in the Real Presence (not presents) and I suggest he does not agree. I suggest that he seemed more feeled with joy at this opportunity to have communion with three million young people. Outrage? I didn’t see that with him.
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I am “feeled with joy” that the spelling police have arrived to fix me. I am hopeless without spell check. Of course I meant to write Real Presence.( not presents)
 
shoulderangel said:
Turning a blind eye and pretending it’s no big deal is not the way to fix this very big problem.
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Then let me also point out a logical error. It neither shows blindness or a disregard for anything just because I do not chose the path of rage. Rather, it shows that I consider the spiritual reality of the communion of three million to be worth the dispensation that occurred. Jesus did not use vessels made of gold. This only became a rule much later. While obedience to all the Church directs is important, including instructions on Sacred Vessels, it is also just as important that we accept any changes the Holy Father allows. He is the final authority in all such matters.
 
It’s the contents of the cup that make it holy, not the cup itself. One could offer the blood of Christ from cupped hands if need be and it would still be just as valid.
 
This goes beyond the basic reasons why the Chruch makes rules about the reception of this sacrament. This is such a big no, no because Our Lord is Present in even the smallest of particles. Did everyone of those dixie cups get cleansed after being passed around? Whatever happened to all those disposable cups?
 
shoulderangel said:
These are questions we should never have to ask. I am sad beyond words that this happened.
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:confused: If one uses precious metal vessels do they not also have to be cleansed properly? In any massive open communion I would think this would be a concern. Or do you think that somehow metal is automatically washed and plastic is not capable of being rinsed?
 
I think everyone should relax and chill. Alot of anger has been displayed on this thread and yet many people have forgotten several things.

During the World Youth Day week in Rigo,
  1. On some days thousands if not millions of hosts were given to pilgrims therefore due to logistics, it was probably easier to distribute them in plastic cups.
  2. Because there were so many people depending on the area, they might have ran out of chalices. And due to the massive crowds, plastic cups were probably the most cost efficient and quickest way of distributing the hosts to so many people.
  3. Chalices are very expensive to produce and replace-therefore in these large crowds, one could have been stolen. In order to avoid such an incident, they used plastic cups which are cheap and God forbid if lost, no one would mind as much as a chalice.
  4. These pictures capture only a few moments in time. We do not know what happened to the cups afterwords. For all we know, there were several people assigned to wash them like we do with a chalice after the hosts have been distributed.
  5. During all World Youth Day events the mega ones such as Rigo, the number of people who attend mass, and all of the sacraments is multiplied by thousands if not millions. It is one thing to serve the Holy Eucharist at a mass in a church or a Cathedral, it is another to serve it to thousands of pilgrims in such places such as Rigo. People always try to give the sacrament as much reverence and respect as possible but with big crowds it is hard. Sometimes things happen. For all we know hosts were being distributed in chalices but due to the mega crowds, plastic cups were taken out and given to other servers to ensure everyone who felt called to receive communion did.
I think we need to show some Christian love in these cases and leave any judgement or criticism at the door. Pictures capture moments but they don’t always show the full story. In this case, I am sure respect was given, only a photographer wasn’t around to photograph it.

We need to remember these gatherings are awesome for our church because it shows the world that Catholicism is alive and God is still moving.
 
Esrb99 said:
Yeah, it would… IF someone said that. But here, no one has. In fact in this thread, the only times the words, “Benedict would never have done this” occurs are in your post, and in mine-and both in a manner NOT trying to disparage the Holy Father.
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I think you are misunderstanding me. Some people said that in the thread that was deleted. Maybe that was the reason why the thread was deleted?
 
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