Holy Eucharist in Plastic Cups?

[padrepio_2012]

after examining the photos, I don’t even think they are real, or at least the first one. it appears in the first that they are just discussing something and one happens to have a cup in their hand. id like to know where the OP found these alleged photos. additionally I came to the conclusion that Pope Francis, whose faith and reverence is so great, would never allow such an abuse as this to occur, only the protestants (Not to be offensive) use plastic ware to distribute their “cracker and juice” and they don’t believe in the real presence. so obviously we can see why distributing Our Lord in plastic cups is very wrong and that he is definitely worthy of more. the Church made these rules over time for a reason, if she says that Jesus must be put in a golden chalice, then he must. no buts or ifs. numbers don’t matter. ive been to an event where 1.2 million were at mass and they were still more than able to distribute Our Lord in chalices and ciboriums. sure it isn’t 3 mil, but they could have done it.

 

[snowflakeinlove]

after examining the photos, I don’t even think they are real, or at least the first one. it appears in the first that they are just discussing something and one happens to have a cup in their hand. id like to know where the OP found these alleged photos. additionally I came to the conclusion that Pope Francis, whose faith and reverence is so great, would never allow such an abuse as this to occur, only the protestants (Not to be offensive) use plastic ware to distribute their “cracker and juice” and they don’t believe in the real presence. so obviously we can see why distributing Our Lord in plastic cups is very wrong and that he is definitely worthy of more. the Church made these rules over time for a reason, if she says that Jesus must be put in a golden chalice, then he must. no buts or ifs. numbers don’t matter. ive been to an event where 1.2 million were at mass and they were still more than able to distribute Our Lord in chalices and ciboriums. sure it isn’t 3 mil, but they could have done it.

Yeah, I find it a bit odd that with so many people at Mass, there are only a few photos of these plastic cups…
And I find it hard to believe that people would be so disrespectful that they look like they are all fighting to receive the Eucharist on one hand over other people’s heads

I sure hope the pictures aren’t real

 

[Lapey]

The second picture bothers me more than the fact that they used plastic cups… it looks kind of chaotic there

Are you sure these photos are real? Taken during Mass ? =/

That is exactly my thought…I have learned to not believe a picture is what it is said to be.

 

[maryjk]

That is exactly my thought…I have learned to not believe a picture is what it is said to be.

I just find it interesting that with the hundreds of thousands of people there, only two pictures were taken.

I have searched and search and only those two pictures are the ones making the rounds on line.

When college starts up for the Fall, I will have the chance to talk to a group that went to Rio. I plan to ask them about it.

Until then, I will withhold judgement.

 

[runningdude]

Hi all…

I’m sure some of you have seen the photos of Holy Communion from WYD in Rio. I was hoping someone could possibly explain the need to use disposable cups to administer the blessed sacrament.

Thanks!

Assuming the photos are authentic/not documenting a fringe practice, then it is simply our Holy Father exercising his supreme jurisdiction, dispensing the obligation to administer Holy Communion from a ciboria.

 

[TimothyH]

Next thing you know, people will be upset that they even used EMHC’s, upset that they all three million people didn’t recieve kneeling, on the tounge, at the rail, wearing jackets and ties or frilly dresses and white gloves, from the hand of the Holy Father himself.

Most ciboria hold about 250 hosts. With three million people, that would be about 12,000 ciboria. Are there 12,000 ciboria in all of Rio?

The Holy Father can dispense with the need for a cleric to purify the vessels and temporarily allow members of the laity to do so. I’m sure the extraordinary ministers were given guidance on how to rinse the cups and what to do with them after.

Three million people recieved communion… praise God!

-Tim-

 

[agnes_therese]

why do we have to run away from this problem and act like this never happened? why do we close threads and automatically deem some topic “banned” or “taboo” if it may cause a debate?

I don’t believe the original thread was closed because “it may cause a debate.” It had degenerated into serious uncharitableness, to put it mildly.

 

[agnes_therese]

When college starts up for the Fall, I will have the chance to talk to a group that went to Rio. I plan to ask them about it.

Until then, I will withhold judgement.

Very prudent of you.

I hope you’ll let us know what they say.

 

[Zachary]

Wow, we Catholics can get into some pretty heated discussing, often more venomous than when with those who hate us. It’s like a “Who’s the most perfectest humblestest Catholic ever” contest…

really quite discouraging. sometimes I wonder if everyone here who claims to be catholic is really Catholic and not just a wolf in sheep’s clothing hiding behind a keyboard…

 

[Julian_Bashir]

i seem to remember sinners touching jesus on a daily basis and prostututes crying over his feet and drying with her hair. i don’t think a little plastic is going to damage him. if people don’t believe in the real presence, they have faith issues. gold vs plastic doesn’t change that. especially for extenuating circumstances. it’s not like htis happens in regular mass. if they are able to uses chalices, by all means. but it it’s not logistically possible then exceptions can be made. o don’t believe letting only certain people receive communion. how exactly would you decide that anyways, only males? only females, blonds brunets? his flesh and blood give life, i feel like that’s a bigger deal than the type of vessel used for a one time event

If that is the case, why does the Church have specific prescriptions and mandates for every aspect of the Mass, including reception of Holy Communion and the Precious Blood?

It isn’t our place to tell the Church the guidelines of the Church. I don’t know enough about the spcifics in Rio to have an opinion on that yet, but you can use the argument of “what’s the big deal if they want to partake?” can be used to justify any indiscretion in Mass at all, and is thus, very flawed. We arent’called to justify why the Church’s edicts are incorrect, but are called to obey them.

 

[shoulderangel]

When you take into consideration the number of Catholics who believe in the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, What is it now 70% do not believe? This all makes sense to me. When these kinds of abuses happen right under the nose of the Holy Father and nothing is done to correct it and nothing is said about it being wrong or a mistake and all you hear are crickets chirping or worse; catholics defending this sacrilege. It is so obvious to me that there is something very wrong when fellow Catholics will not defend the Blessed Sacrament against these type of abuses.

Next thing you know, people will be upset that they even used EMHC’s, upset that they all three million people didn’t recieve kneeling, on the tounge, at the rail, wearing jackets and ties or frilly dresses and white gloves, from the hand of the Holy Father himself.

And Tim, I am upset anytime I hear of an abuse taking place against the Holiest of Sacraments. All those abuses that you mentioned lead to things like a disbelief in the Real Presence. It also leads to other abuses like plastic cups for communion distribution.

 

[paperwight66]

When you take into consideration the number of Catholics who believe in the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, What is it now 70% do not believe? .

Where did you get this figure from ? And what was the size of the sample? Education background of the respondents? Frequency of attendance at Sunday Mass? How were the respondents recruited? How was the question phrased? Was it ‘Do you believe in the physical presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament,’ as I saw described once, because not even the Pope would say ‘yes’ to that.

Earliier on, the figure of 40% was quoted… It seems to me that numbers are thrown about with no source given, and no description of the methodology, not to mention any peer-review.

I’m sure everyone knows the phrase about ‘liies, damned lies and statistics’. Without proper provenance and unbiased assessment of the methodology, statistics are valueless, I would suggest.

 

[Lapey]

When you take into consideration the number of Catholics who believe in the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, What is it now 70% do not believe? This all makes sense to me. When these kinds of abuses happen right under the nose of the Holy Father and nothing is done to correct it and nothing is said about it being wrong or a mistake and all you hear are crickets chirping or worse; catholics defending this sacrilege. It is so obvious to me that there is something very wrong when fellow Catholics will not defend the Blessed Sacrament against these type of abuses.

And Tim, I am upset anytime I hear of an abuse taking place against the Holiest of Sacraments. All those abuses that you mentioned lead to things like a disbelief in the Real Presence. It also leads to other abuses like plastic cups for communion distribution.

I would ask you nicely to refrain from making these types of remarks which appear to criticize the Holy Father. You are out of line and overreacting to pictures in which you cannot even show are from a Catholic Mass, much less WYD. You have an agenda and it is not charitable. First warning.

Peace,
Dcn. Gary

 

[pnewton]

If that is the case, why does the Church have specific prescriptions and mandates for every aspect of the Mass, including reception of Holy Communion and the Precious Blood?

It isn’t our place to tell the Church the guidelines of the Church. I don’t know enough about the spcifics in Rio to have an opinion on that yet, but you can use the argument of “what’s the big deal if they want to partake?” can be used to justify any indiscretion in Mass at all, and is thus, very flawed. We arent’called to justify why the Church’s edicts are incorrect, but are called to obey them.

This includes the right of the Holy Pontiff to dispense with any guideline he chooses. There is also a reason why this sort of dispensation is allowed. Bishops also have some rights of dispensation. If we wish to honor the Church and her rules, we must honor all of them.

 

[Facite]

Desperate times call for desperate measures!

 

[pnewton]

When you take into consideration the number of Catholics who believe in the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, What is it now 70% do not believe?

Where did you get this figure from ?

I would be willing to bet it wasn’t from this group. One does not spend a year raising money, fly to join three million for a week in a foreign land and then crowd onto a beach with them for Mass without great faith.

It is so obvious to me that there is something very wrong when fellow Catholics will not defend the Blessed Sacrament against these type of abuses.

So it is obvious to you that we are screwed up for defending a papal Mass? I do not claim to be holier than the pope. The only reason I would object to this would be if it actually happened and was without his knowledge or sanction. Since I do not know these things, nor are they suggested, the teaching of the Catechsim on charity mandates that I give these people in the photograph the most charitable interpretation, or benefit of the doubt.

 

[pnewton]

. so obviously we can see why distributing Our Lord in plastic cups is very wrong and that he is definitely worthy of more.

Without a doubt this is true. But this is our Lord and Savior. He is also more worthy than gold platinum or diamond. He is definitely more worthy than our simple hand or our tongue. He is more worthy than being a part of us in this Sacrament. Thus we pray, “Lord, I am not worthy…”

 

[Julian_Bashir]

This includes the right of the Holy Pontiff to dispense with any guideline he chooses. There is also a reason why this sort of dispensation is allowed. Bishops also have some rights of dispensation. If we wish to honor the Church and her rules, we must honor all of them.

Which is why I said I wouldn’t comment on this occasion (not knowing specifics), but I disagree with the the notion that the details are mere trivialities. They are not.

 

[shoulderangel]

I couldn’t remember where I saw the 70 % so I goodsearched it and saw this:forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=210649

I didn’t bother looking any further cause I felt so good about the source of the info, it must be true.

Anyways, Why is that percentage so hard to believe when people show such a blatant disrespect and lack of reverence around Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament?

 

[maryjk]

I couldn’t remember where I saw the 70 % so I goodsearched it and saw this:forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=210649

I didn’t bother looking any further cause I felt so good about the source of the info, it must be true.

Anyways, Why is that percentage so hard to believe when people show such a blatant disrespect and lack of reverence around Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament?

It must be true? Because someone said it was? Wow.

firstthings.com/onthesquare/2008/01/american-catholics-and-catholi

There are also items of real interest. **For instance, 81 percent say that “belief that Jesus is really present in the Eucharist” is essential in their understanding of the Catholic faith. **Keep in mind that the survey is of a cross section of the 65 million Catholics in the U.S. (although Latinos are greatly underrepresented). Among the more highly committed Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that belief in the Real Presence is considerably higher than 81 percent. This is worth keeping in mind because some years ago a clumsily worded question in a survey came up with the conclusion that only one third of Catholics believed in the Real Presence, and that “finding” still crops up in discussions on the state of Catholicism. Among active Catholics, belief in the Real Presence, as also in the Incarnation, the Virgin Birth, and the Resurrection of Jesus, edges up toward unanimity.