Holy Father makes more moves re sacred music

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It is a good point about vigilance and humility … I know more than one professional for whom it is clear that music does not serve God, music is God and the liturgy is a mere backdrop to them doing their thing. (I as an amateur regularly pick up paying work from two different organisations who will no longer employ one such person even though he is blindingly competent and right under their noses and they have both told me this is why.) I definitely do not see traditional church music as elitist. I have certainly seen musicians who can make it seem so.
 
It is a good point about vigilance and humility … I know more than one professional for whom it is clear that music does not serve God, music is God and the liturgy is a mere backdrop to them doing their thing. (I as an amateur regularly pick up paying work from two different organisations who will no longer employ one such person even though he is blindingly competent and right under their noses and they have both told me this is why.) I definitely do not see traditional church music as elitist. I have certainly seen musicians who can make it seem so.
Yes, yes, yes!!! 🙂 That is very true. Some of our people do give us a bad name. hahah! It’s no wonder that others have an idea of musicians and their music and will immediately get their backs up when you start talking about certain kinds of music even if you don’t mean to be insulting or putting down anyone.

I’ve also seen it on the other side as well, most recently at a funeral on Thursday. I was one of the hired musicians. A relative of the deceased wanted to sing with me, which was fine. I didn’t mind, although I was afraid about what I might hear, but I thought she wanted to give a nice sendoff to her relative. She had also chosen all of the music most of which was pretty bad, but I’m a professional and will make the best out of a bad piece of music if I’m hired. But as soon as she walked up into the choir loft, she radiated “It’s all about me! Here’s my day to shine!” She didn’t even seemed that concerned about the funeral mass and wanted to show off who she was and who she knew in the diocese. To top it off, she was a poor singer and not a musician. Anyway, although it was like watching a character from a book, (ever read Jane Austen’s “Emma” or see “Emma” - Mr. Elton’s new wife - she kind of reminded me of her) I was saddened to see this display.
 
I’ve also seen it on the other side as well, most recently at a funeral on Thursday. I was one of the hired musicians. A relative of the deceased wanted to sing with me, which was fine. I didn’t mind, although I was afraid about what I might hear, but I thought she wanted to give a nice sendoff to her relative. She had also chosen all of the music most of which was pretty bad, but I’m a professional and will make the best out of a bad piece of music if I’m hired. But as soon as she walked up into the choir loft, she radiated “It’s all about me! Here’s my day to shine!” She didn’t even seemed that concerned about the funeral mass and wanted to show off who she was and who she knew in the diocese. To top it off, she was a poor singer and not a musician. Anyway, although it was like watching a character from a book, (ever read Jane Austen’s “Emma” or see “Emma” - Mr. Elton’s new wife - she kind of reminded me of her) I was saddened to see this display.
Yup. Even as an amateur, I’ve had that experience too! 😃
 
I’ll second the responses to the “lofty music” objection. The loftiness has more to do with how we were raised. Modern western conciousness educated by popular media (TV, movies, radio, etc.) interests has been shaped to make the music “lofty.”
We’ve been conditioned against our old traditions.
 
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I’ll second the responses to the “lofty music” objection. The loftiness has more to do with how we were raised. Modern western conciousness educated by popular media (TV, movies, radio, etc.) interests has been shaped to make the music “lofty.”
We’ve been conditioned against our old traditions.
Yes, modern media has done a great disservice to humanity in its war against culture. But, the Church should consider it a sacred duty to form a Catholic consciousness and culture divorced from whatever the modern secular media thinks or does.
 
I, for one, do not think that it is a question of “liturgical vanity.” In my parish, we have to suffer through the dribble offered by Oregon Catholic Press, especially its Spirit and Song collection. This hymnal pretty much amounts to the infamous “Songs of Worship” Protestant pop music hawked on TV. Just because it’s biblically-based doen’t make this stuff good liturgical music. After all, in Sacramentum Caritatis, Pope Benedict makes the case (as he’s done in his other books on the Mass) that one song is not as good as another. It’s especially worse when you have the choir and the musicians swaying to the music. It’s particularly painful when you must sit through every single verse of the stuff.

What is even worse is that the Salesian School where I was taught is now using this “Praise and Worship” stuff. It is particularly painful for me because when I approached the principal, who is a Salesian Sister, about the matter, she said that children’s Masses have a greater laxity. This is definitely not true. I suspect that St. John Bosco is probably wondering what happened. If anyone stressed fidelity to Rome it was him.

I thnk what y’all need ro realize is that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass demands a particular type of music. The Protestant stuff is good for those particular ecclesial communities; however, because the Mass is a sacrifice, the music needs to conform to the mystery we are partaking. Granted, there are scant modern hymns that try to capture the essence of the sacred liturgy. However, the type of music to which Pope Benedict refers deals with the sublime.

Now, bad liturgical music is not confined to the English-speaking world. Spanish liturgical music has its share of bad pieces, as well. “Pescador de los Hombre” (or, in English, "Lord, when You came to the Seashore), “Amor de Dios” (in English, "O, Love of God)–which focuses more on the community than on anything else, and “Hombres/Pueblos Nuevos”, an anthem that just about extols the condemned liberation theology of Latin America. Even the music for the Spanish sung parts of the Mass is questionable, especially since the Gloria is hacked to the point that it reduces “Lord God, heavenly King, almighty God and Father, we worship you, we give you thanks, we praise you for your glory. Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father” and goes straignt to the “Lamb of God”. The Mariachi answer to the penitential rite is too celebratory and lacks the sobriety and the somberness that this prayer requires.

Of course, there is the liturgical form of the infamous wedding singer that must also be discussed. Priests need to get a better handle on who is doing the music for the weddings because they can turn an otherwise solemn location into open-mike night. Somebody on this thread noted that guitar music, when done well, can sustain sacred music. That may work for some pieces, but, this past weekend, having heard Schubert’s Ave Maria sung and strum to an almost “ranchera” tone left me traumatized. The choir also took liberties with the “Our Father.”

The bottom line is that I can’t wait for Pope Benedict to start getting his winnowing fan and clearing the thrashing floor of the bad music we’ve had to endure for 40 years. I think that this new office that he’s established will have far-reaching implications.

I realize that this is a long post, but having suffered through bad liturgical practices and music in my diocese, I felt compelled to write. Let’s hope that Pope Benedict will make a clean sweep of things before it is too late.
 
Thank God. Literally speaking. It is time for the Mass to return to its grass roots… I miss the Gregorian Chants…
 
Somebody on this thread noted that guitar music, when done well, can sustain sacred music. That may work for some pieces, but, this past weekend, having heard Schubert’s Ave Maria sung and strum to an almost “ranchera” tone left me traumatized.
I generally agree with you, but on a minor tangential matter, I can assure you (having done my own classical guitar transcription of the accompaniment for the Schubert, for occasions where a keyboard is not available and the piece is required anyway) that it is not necessary to strum it ranchero style in order to accompany this piece on guitar. Might I add that one of the WORST performances of it I have ever heard was from an organist. A bad performance or tasteless adaption for a particular instrument does not mean that instrument is by definition unsuitable for that piece. It generally means that that musician is unsuitable for that piece.
 
Now, you mentioned only Gregorian Chant being used in the future - or so some wish. But what about now? There has been an almost total abandonment of this style of traditional Catholic music in favor of (in the majority of cases, as I have seen) Praise and Worship type music. Now, I ask you if this extreme seems proper? Do you think that a style of music that has served the Church for the better part of her life (~1400 years) should be so casually dismissed? Do you think that Praise and Worship music should be the exclusive and first choice of music for the Catholic Church and that guitars should have pride of place among instruments?
No matter what one thinks ought to be the case, the situation is what it is at this point. And I don’t think we got here slowly or overnight. Guitar strumming might be the big thing today, but in previous decades the height of chant or polyphony was often replaced with sentimental hymns. Even were the desire to reclaim the practice of grand liturigical music in these styles of yestercentury existant on any sort of mildly widespread extent, it would take an awful long time to train vocalists and grow the practice in parish Churches.
 
No matter what one thinks ought to be the case, the situation is what it is at this point. And I don’t think we got here slowly or overnight. Guitar strumming might be the big thing today, but in previous decades the height of chant or polyphony was often replaced with sentimental hymns. Even were the desire to reclaim the practice of grand liturigical music in these styles of yestercentury existant on any sort of mildly widespread extent, it would take an awful long time to train vocalists and grow the practice in parish Churches.
I agree with your statements. From what I understand, sentimental hymns took root in the Victorian period. There was a book written several years ago called “Why Catholics Don’t Sing.” The author’s name escapes me, but he made some very interesting observations. He cited President Kennedy’s Requiem Mass as an example of how “they missed the boat” in showcasing the best of Catholic music in favor of sentimental hymns such as “Bring Flowers to the Fairest”.

Praise and Worship music may have its place at retreats, but when it comes to the Mass, we need to have solid music that is ground in Catholic theology. I’ve made this statement before, but it bears repeating because these are Pope Benedict’s own words: No song is as good as another. Liturgical music has its own guidelines and requirements.

I do not know what the USCCB will do when they meet next month to haggle over the document on sacred music. I do hope, however, that with his establishment of a new office on Sacred Music, Pope Benedict will hold the bishops accountable for the kind of music that is being used for liturgies. The only caveat that I see is that one of the St. Louis Jesuits is on the BCL’s subcommittee on liturgical music. It’s like having the fox guarding the hen house because (and I do not mean to offend anyone) the St. Louis Jesuits pretty much threw out centuries of solid church music to give us Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez. There are people in my diocese who think that sacred music dates back to the St. Louis Jesuits. That’s very scary.
 
I I can assure you (having done my own classical guitar transcription of the accompaniment for the Schubert, for occasions where a keyboard is not available and the piece is required anyway) that it is not necessary to strum it ranchero style in order to accompany this piece on guitar.
Wow! You don’t have that written down do you? 😉
 
Wow! You don’t have that written down do you? 😉
Half written down and half in my head - if you’re not in a hurry I’d be happy to tab it out or notate it for you, in fact it would be a good thing for me to do anyway.

(It’s the accompaniment transcribed, to support voice/violin/cello/instrument du jour, so it’s not a complete solo including melody.)

PM me if interested.
 
… the St. Louis Jesuits pretty much threw out centuries of solid church music to give us Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez.
If I could at least have liturgical music the quality of Joni Mitchell I would be happier than what we are often stuck with now. 😉
 
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