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ADiosgracias
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Is the sacrament of the Holy Order the same for the anglican than for the catholic priests. If not, how the ex anglican priest can became catholic priest
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YoungTradCath
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Anglican Holy Orders are invalid. That is, they do not exist. When an Anglican bishop “ordains” someone, he speaks empty words that don’t do anything. If an Anglican “priest” wants to be received into the Catholic Church, he is ordained again (technically his first ordination since Anglican Holy Orders, as I said, are invalid).
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ADiosgracias
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So why are they allowed to be married and not allow for the catholic?
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YoungTradCath
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Because the Catholic Church views valid any marriage between two validly baptized Christians. You can’t make them divorce, as that is impossible. So, the Catholic Church accepts the married Anglican priest, and grants him a special exception to the celibacy rule. If a single Anglican priest becomes Catholic, he is not allowed to marry.
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ADiosgracias
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Of course they are valid marriage and they should be until death but a “special exception”??? How many Special Exception can we do? The C of the CC say that the priest must be single or widower as far as i know.
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ADiosgracias
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I’m so happy that the catholic Church welcome ex anglican to our faith but if they don’t have the condition to be a Catholic Priest (because of they marriage) they should became a deacon or a lay person.
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Oneofthewomen
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Because this canon
allows for the Holy See to dispense this one
You get to do these kinds of things when you become Pope!
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SaintPatrick333
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as far as I know, I think that was referring to Bishops? I’m not 100% on that though. I know married clergy is biblical and allowed since Eastern Catholics and pretty much everyone (again to my knowledge, which is limited since I’m new to the faith) save for the roman rite has married clergy or at least allows it. The Roman Rite though is a truly special and beautiful rite as it forgoes all that and has Priests who focus everything on Christ and their parish. It is a beautiful thing knowing you have a Priest who can help you whenever you need him and not have to worry about interrupting him from family dinner at night or something of the sort.
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Filii_Dei
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Clerical celibacy is a discipline, not a dogma. Indeed the catechism does state that priests should be celibate, but dispensations have often been granted for this. The Eastern Churches have always had married priests.
However, all bishops - be they East or West - must be at least single and without dependent children, without exception. That is why Msgr Keith Newton of the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham and Fr Jeffrey Steenson of the Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter are only ordained as priests, although they exercise many functions of a bishop.
However, all bishops - be they East or West - must be at least single and without dependent children, without exception. That is why Msgr Keith Newton of the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham and Fr Jeffrey Steenson of the Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter are only ordained as priests, although they exercise many functions of a bishop.
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Alfonsus
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The discipline of the Latin Church is to ordain celibate men.
From the pool of men with vocation to celibacy, some of them have vocation to become priest, these are the men the Church chooses to ordain.
Is there any theological problem in ordaining a married man to priesthood? Theologically speaking, no. It is just that for the Latin Church, the Church learn that ordinarily celibate men fulfilling the Church need at this moment.
From the pool of men with vocation to celibacy, some of them have vocation to become priest, these are the men the Church chooses to ordain.
Is there any theological problem in ordaining a married man to priesthood? Theologically speaking, no. It is just that for the Latin Church, the Church learn that ordinarily celibate men fulfilling the Church need at this moment.
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thistle
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Please remember you are talking about a discipline and not a doctrine. Disciplines can be changed or exceptions made.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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As many “special exceptions” *(these are really called dispensations as they dispense from a discipline (or law) of the Church) as are needed. This is not a dogmatic teaching, there have been married priests in the Church since the beginning and it continues on today.
Today’s Gospel reading is a good one;
Mk 3:1-6
Jesus entered the synagogue.
There was a man there who had a withered hand.
They watched Jesus closely
to see if he would cure him on the sabbath
so that they might accuse him.
He said to the man with the withered hand,
“Come up here before us.”
Then he said to the Pharisees,
“Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath rather than to do evil,
to save life rather than to destroy it?”
But they remained silent.
Looking around at them with anger
and grieved at their hardness of heart,
Jesus said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.”
He stretched it out and his hand was restored.
The Pharisees went out and immediately took counsel
with the Herodians against him to put him to death.
As was yesterdays;
Mk 2:23-28
As Jesus was passing through a field of grain on the sabbath,
his disciples began to make a path while picking the heads of grain.
At this the Pharisees said to him,
“Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the sabbath?”
He said to them,
“Have you never read what David did
when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry?
How he went into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest
and ate the bread of offering that only the priests could lawfully eat,
and shared it with his companions?”
Then he said to them,
“The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
That is why the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.”
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JGMendes4049
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In law, they have equivalent authority to a diocesan bishop. But since they’re not ordained as bishops, they can neither ordain nor confirm. Mons. Newton has been given permission to use pontificals (mitre, crozier, pontifical dalmatic, pectoral cross, et cetera), if I remember correctly.
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ADiosgracias
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Thank you all for clarify me on this matter but I still have a concern. It does’t sound fear for the Catholic Priest who wants to be a priest but also be married.
Sorry
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dochawk
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Even this has an exception
Due to necessity, in at least one eastern block country, underground married bishops were necessary to ordain unground priests.
Also, for a century or two, married bishops were the norm. This ended due to concern abut inheritance of Church property. The preference for choosing monastics as bishops would have led to the same result on its own.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Fairness has nothing to do with it.Thank you all for clarify me on this matter but I still have a concern. It does’t sound fear for the Catholic Priest who wants to be a priest but also be married.
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If one focuses only on the fairness issue then they will realize that life is not fair at all.
The Roman Catholic priest who was ordained and made a promise of celibacy knew what he was getting into. If he really felt that he was called to be married then he should not have proceeded with the ordination as he knew the rules as they where. Because they might be different for someone else makes no difference. The Eastern Churches have been ordaining married men since the beginning.
So should the Melkites or Ukrainians stop ordaining married men so that the Roman Catholic priest can have a sense of fairness?
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