Holy orders

[jeff417]

Can anyone direct me to a resource which compares the pre- and post- Vatican II rites for Holy Orders? This issue was the latest attack I had to fend off from sedevacantists. I would like to be able to see what exactly had been changed in the form and matter of this sacrament.
God Bless

 

[BeCatholic1991]

Sadevacantist phu-ey.I live just a mile from one of those “Catholic” churches,under the Anagram of CMRI,Congergation of Mary Queen Immaculent.(Spelling sucks,sorry)

youtube.com/watch?v=yvqELY8VwZk

GNRHead,very good 6 part series.Defending Nuvo Ordo and the second vatican council.

P.S I almost joined a “Traditional” Church.Good thing for their extreme dresscode.

God’s love be with you,
Mark

Sorry for not answering your question.but I hope this helps

 

[FrDavid96]

Here’s a link to the pre Vatican II rite of ordination for a priest. It’s the “introduction” but click at the bottom of the page, and it goes to the “next” page, which is the ritual itself. I don’t know of an online source for the new rite.

sanctamissa.org/en/resources/books-1962/rituale-romanum/39-the-sacrament-of-holy-orders-introduction.html

 

[diggerdomer]

Can anyone direct me to a resource which compares the pre- and post- Vatican II rites for Holy Orders? This issue was the latest attack I had to fend off from sedevacantists. I would like to be able to see what exactly had been changed in the form and matter of this sacrament.
God Bless

Can you say more about the attack? I’m not sure what specifically the issue is. Thanks.

 

[TheDoctor]

Can anyone direct me to a resource which compares the pre- and post- Vatican II rites for Holy Orders? This issue was the latest attack I had to fend off from sedevacantists. I would like to be able to see what exactly had been changed in the form and matter of this sacrament. God Bless

Jeff - with all due respect for the folks you are debating with, it is their accusation that something has changed to invalidate the new rite, so the ball is in their court. Ask them to produce the old and new rites and line out exactly where they believe the Vicar of Christ and successors of the Apostles got it wrong and they got it right.

 

[AJV]

Look up an old version of the webpages on accipepotestatem.com/ at the Internet Archive. There are the rites for the priesthood and the episcopate, though not the diaconate. Also, the translation is good, but in very few places a little innacurate (e.g. when speaking of the “Missa rituales”) If you need the rites for the conferral of the diaconate, I can send that to you, or attach it here, though I suspect that is not what is being contested.

 

[jeff417]

Thank you all for your help. Now I’m also looking to compare various ordination rites throughout history to that of the Latin rite. Specifically, the different Eastern Catholic rites and how they compare to the new rite of ordination. Thanks again all of you.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Thank you all for your help. Now I’m also looking to compare various ordination rites throughout history to that of the Latin rite. Specifically, the different Eastern Catholic rites and how they compare to the new rite of ordination. Thanks again all of you.

You can find the Orthodox services for ordaining Deacon and Priests here

anastasis.org.uk/ordinations.htm

Those used by Byzantine Catholics are the same.

The one for ordaining a Bishop is similar. It, too, begins with the prayer, “Divine Grace …ordains the most devout Priest to be a Bishop…”

The minor orders are not given on this site. However, they do NOT have the prayer “Divine Grace…”, nor do they take place during the Divine Liturgy.

Orthodox ordinations have NEVER had a* traditio instrumentorum*. In any case. Pius XII defined that the major orders of Deacon, Priest, and Bishop were conferred by the laying on of hands with the appropriate prayer. This contradicts what some sedes and so-called traditionalists say.

One thing about the present revised Ordination rites in the Latin Church:

The Church by her nature cannot and does not promulgate invalid or ineffectual rites. Therefore, her official rites for ordination are ALWAYS valid, whether new or old.