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I posted a post similar to this one somewhere and don’t remember any responses. I hope someone here understands this. I am interested in the Exegesis of Hildgarde’s text that speaks of the universal man. Also How would one go about using the holy spirit within to heal? Just as Jesus and his disciples/Apostles did. Would one have to be free from mortal sin to use the holy spirit this way and not lacking in aleast the 3 theological virtues from absolution and Mass? Love, Hope, and Faith?
 
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I posted a post similar to this one somewhere and don’t remember any responses. I hope someone here understands this. I am interested in the Exegesis of Hildgarde’s text that speaks of the universal man. Also How would one go about using the holy spirit within to heal? Just as Jesus and his disciples/Apostles did. Would one have to be free from mortal sin to use the holy spirit this way and not lacking in aleast the 3 theological virtues from absolution and Mass? Love, Hope, and Faith?
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“Oh fire of the Holy Spirit,
life of the life of every creature,
holy are you in giving life to forms…
Oh boldest path,
penetrating into all places,
in the heights, on earth,
and in every abyss,
you bring and bind all together
From you clouds flow, air flies,
Rocks have their humours,
Rivers spring forth from the waters
And earth wears her green vigour
O ignis Spiritus Paracliti”

…her poetry and art was quite revolutionary, as was she. Now, in the present age, were someone to claim they have had visions and that in those visions God has “spoken” to them, or they have seen things (such as the crucifixion) as if standing there: that person would be judged mentally ill (as she was threatened with excommunication and said by some to be possessed by demons). That’s all I know so I can’t answer your question regarding the Universal Man (it is a painting).

But I can, if I may, comment on your question regarding the Holy Spirit and in some manner connecting with It so as to be a healer. I think this is God’s choice, alone. I don’t think it’s something we attempt unless we are very strongly prompted and, in that case, I rather doubt we would be asking questions of others. Why? Because the extraordinary, the intensely spiritual, experiences of such persons are (as I have said before) considered “unnatural” and “unhealthy”, or worse. And so we do not bring attention to ourselves. We just allow God to use us, if He chooses and however He chooses, and we very carefully discern the spirits.
 
Ok, are you speaking of the Doctor of the Church s. Hildegard of Bingen, O.S.B.? Do you remember which text are you referring to?

I found that her Liber Divinorum Operum mentions something about a “universal man” and that’s as much as I know so far about it. It also seems to be a book relating visions (I guess the proper term would be “private revelations”).

In context, this is the image I refer to.
“Humanity stands in the midst of the structure of the world.” Often compared to those of William Blake, Hildegard’s mystical paintings translated her visions into something tangible and iconographic. This painting, titled Universal Man, is from her Liber divinorum operum. Hildegard herself is in the bottom left corner, receiving the vision.
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Does your question regarding the Holy Spirit refer to her writings? You do realize that we do not “use” the Holy Spirit inasmuch as the Holy Spirit is God.

If you refer to the grace or the gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as to be able to heal people, that is above all else something that the Holy Spirit must have chosen to give us - we cannot force God to bestow gifts on us. The gift of healing is among the spiritual gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12 as an extraordinary charism. Definitely it is not something that the Spirit grants to every man. We know of saints who had received it and of others who hadn’t.

No doubt, any operation of the soul requires being in the state of grace, in which the sanctifying grace dwells within our living soul.

The three theological virtues are virtues associated with sanctifying grace (they cannot be obtained by human effort, only infused through grace) that help us grow in our relationship with God, the greatest of which, of course, is love. I don’t know why you mention specifically absolution and Mass. Definitely they are first infused in Baptism (when we first received sanctifying grace) and renewed in Confession (when sanctifying grace is restored in our soul) - these are the Sacraments of the Dead - and other than that, any other Sacrament of the Living brings forth an increase in grace, and the Eucharist would definitely hold the primacy!

I guess you’ll have to clarify what you mean a bit more 🙂
 
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Ok, are you speaking of the Doctor of the Church s. Hildegard of Bingen, O.S.B.? Do you remember which text are you referring to?

I found that her Liber Divinorum Operum mentions something about a “universal man” and that’s as much as I know so far about it. It also seems to be a book relating visions (I guess the proper term would be “private revelations”).

In context, this is the image I refer to.

Does your question regarding the Holy Spirit refer to her writings? You do realize that we do not “use” the Holy Spirit inasmuch as the Holy Spirit is God.

If you refer to the grace or the gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as to be able to heal people, that is above all else something that the Holy Spirit must have chosen to give us - we cannot force God to bestow gifts on us. The gift of healing is among the spiritual gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12 as an extraordinary charism. Definitely it is not something that the Spirit grants to every man. We know of saints who had received it and of others who hadn’t.

No doubt, any operation of the soul requires being in the state of grace, in which the sanctifying grace dwells within our living soul.

The three theological virtues are virtues associated with sanctifying grace (they cannot be obtained by human effort, only infused through grace) that help us grow in our relationship with God, the greatest of which, of course, is love. I don’t know why you mention specifically absolution and Mass. Definitely they are first infused in Baptism (when we first received sanctifying grace) and renewed in Confession (when sanctifying grace is restored in our soul) - these are the Sacraments of the Dead - and other than that, any other Sacrament of the Living brings forth an increase in grace, and the Eucharist would definitely hold the primacy!

I guess you’ll have to clarify what you mean a bit more 🙂
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Yes I was referring to the Dr. of the Church Hildegard the Benedictine Abbotess. That Benedict xvi just named a dr. As for my reference to the holy spirit it seems to me that so many used it and Jesus just said have faith that it must serve some purpose to the positive.
 
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