Holy Thursday: Local parish has Novus Ordo Mass followed immediately by a Trinitine Mass. Is that ok?

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One of the local parishes offers the Trinitine (Latin) Mass daily as well as the Novus Ordo. The parish is beautiful with a gorgeous marble back altar. For those who attend the Trinitine Mass you are aware many physical things are different between the Novus Ordo and the Trinitine Mass. Here’s my question:

The parish scheduled the Novus Ordo Mass of the Last Supper at 5 p.m. The organ and bells stopped after the Gloria as is normal, and the Blessed Sacrament was moved to a side altar following the solemn procession.

Immediately following the Novus Ordo Mass the church was prepared for the Latin Mass scheduled for 7:30 p.m. The Blessed Sacrament was moved back to the main Tabernacle with no ceremony at all and the church was set up like nothing happened. The organist began playing again as folks began showing up for the 7:30 Mass.

I understand the logistics that needs to happen, it just seemed highly irreverent and frankly did not sit well with me. Thoughts?
 
I would have thought that there was only a single Mass of the Lord’s Supper, and that which form it was to be celebrated in would have had to be chosen beforehand.
 
I think I see what you are saying. Since the triduum begins with the Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday and ends with the Easter Vigil, there should only be one Mass that begins the triduum, correct?

This does not seem irreverent to me and since I am not versed enough in the liturgy to know if this is allowed or not (and since it is not my place to judge this), my thought is that this is between the pastor and his boss to worry about how many Masses and when.
 
Yes it is licit. The Vatican released the instruction Ecclesiae Dei on the application the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum. Ecclesia Dei states:
The Sacred Triduum
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  1. If there is a qualified priest, a coetus fidelium (“group of faithful”), which follows the older liturgical tradition, can also celebrate the Sacred Triduum in the forma extraordinaria. When there is no church or oratory designated exclusively for such celebrations, the parish priest or Ordinary, in agreement with the qualified priest, should find some arrangement favourable to the good of souls, not excluding the possibility of a repetition of the celebration of the Sacred Triduum in the same church.
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(my bold)

But in my opinion,and this is strictly a personal opinion, it is kludgy. The whole notion of moving the Blessed Sacrement to the Altar of Repose loses, IMHO, its significance if you move it back to the church again and then back to the Altar of Repose.
 
I would just be grateful there is a Latin Mass at all. Where I live the nearest Latin Mass is about 40 miles away.

Why move the Eurcharist at all? Why wouldn’t it just stay in the tabernacle?
 
Sir_Hubert said:
One of the local parishes offers the Trinitine (Latin) Mass daily as well as the Novus Ordo. The parish is beautiful with a gorgeous marble back altar. For those who attend the Trinitine Mass you are aware many physical things are different between the Novus Ordo and the Trinitine Mass. Here’s my question:

The parish scheduled the Novus Ordo Mass of the Last Supper at 5 p.m. The organ and bells stopped after the Gloria as is normal, and the Blessed Sacrament was moved to a side altar following the solemn procession.

Immediately following the Novus Ordo Mass the church was prepared for the Latin Mass scheduled for 7:30 p.m. The Blessed Sacrament was moved back to the main Tabernacle with no ceremony at all and the church was set up like nothing happened. The organist began playing again as folks began showing up for the 7:30 Mass.

I understand the logistics that needs to happen, it just seemed highly irreverent and frankly did not sit well with me. Thoughts?
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It is not supposed to happen that way.

Every parish is supposed to have only 1 single Holy Thursday Mass of the Lord’s Supper.

Having said that, the bishop can grant a dispensation to allow for what you describe. Whether or not that was done, I can’t even guess.

So the answer is “no” but still it can happen if there was a dispensation.
 
Well that explains a lot. Not referencing Fr. David’s explanation, but why some traddies I know will only attend Latin Mass only parishes. It would seem it avoids any irregularities such as described.
 
OraLabora said:
Yes it is licit. (snip)
But in my opinion,and this is strictly a personal opinion, it is kludgy. The whole notion of moving the Blessed Sacrament to the Altar of Repose loses, IMHO, its significance if you move it back to the church again and then back to the Altar of Repose.
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Why would the Blessed Sacrament be moved from the Altar of Repose back to the church? Isn’t the Tabernacle empty at the start of the Mass of the Lord’s Supper in the EF?
 
FrDavid96 said:
It is not supposed to happen that way.

Every parish is supposed to have only 1 single Holy Thursday Mass of the Lord’s Supper.

Having said that, the bishop can grant a dispensation to allow for what you describe. Whether or not that was done, I can’t even guess.

So the answer is “no” but still it can happen if there was a dispensation.
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Correction: It would not require a dispensation. It requires merely the permission of the pastor or the ordinary.

In any case, while it’s not the ideal situation, and it “should not” be done this way, it still may be done this way.
 
Sir_Hubert said:
One of the local parishes offers the -]Trinitine (Latin)/-] Extraordinary Form of the Mass daily as well as the -]Novus Ordo/-] Ordinary Form of the Mass. The parish is beautiful with a gorgeous marble back altar. For those who attend the -]Trinitine/-] Extraordinary Form of the Mass you are aware many physical things are different between the -]Novus Ordo/-] Ordinary Form of the Mass and the -]Trinitine Mass/-] Extraordinary Form of the Mass . Here’s my question:

The parish scheduled the -]Novus Ordo Mass/-] Ordinary Form of the Mass of the Last Supper at 5 p.m. The organ and bells stopped after the Gloria as is normal, and the Blessed Sacrament was moved to a side altar following the solemn procession.

Immediately following the -]Novus Ordo Mass/-] Ordinary Form of the Mass the church was prepared for the -]Latin Mass/-] Extraordinary Form of the Mass scheduled for 7:30 p.m. The Blessed Sacrament was moved back to the main Tabernacle with no ceremony at all and the church was set up like nothing happened. The organist began playing again as folks began showing up for the 7:30 Mass.

I understand the logistics that needs to happen, it just seemed highly irreverent and frankly did not sit well with me. Thoughts?
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Far more accurate and far less offensive.
 
Thank you all for your replies! It was very helpful to come to a better understanding of what’s allowed and what is not. I am very grateful that the Trinitine Mass is available so close. With all the illicit behavior and continued ‘freelance’ activity in the local diocese (Albany, NY) it has become increasingly difficult to call a particular parish ‘home’.
 
FrDavid96 said:
Correction: It would not require a dispensation. It requires merely the permission of the pastor or the ordinary.

In any case, while it’s not the ideal situation, and it “should not” be done this way, it still may be done this way.
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The parish referenced in the OP is the parish at which I attend the EF. I was not able to get there at all this week so I don’t know the particulars, but I can say this parish goes out of its way to do things by the book in both forms of the Mass. Also, our bishop is extremely supportive of the EF community, so any necessary permission would easily have been granted.
 
Sir_Hubert said:
Thank you all for your replies! It was very helpful to come to a better understanding of what’s allowed and what is not. I am very grateful that the Trinitine Mass is available so close. With all the illicit behavior and continued ‘freelance’ activity in the local diocese (Albany, NY) it has become increasingly difficult to call a particular parish ‘home’.
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I’ve had the same problem here. The parish you mention is not the one in which I’m registered, but I find myself there whenever possible for the reasons that you reference.
 
Fuerza said:
The parish referenced in the OP is the parish at which I attend the EF. I was not able to get there at all this week so I don’t know the particulars, but I can say this parish goes out of its way to do things by the book in both forms of the Mass. Also, our bishop is extremely supportive of the EF community, so any necessary permission would easily have been granted.
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The point was to correct myself. Earlier, I wrote “dispensation.” That was wrong. It only requires permission of the pastor or the ordinary.

Even though I am usually in no position to know if a dispensation or permission has been given in any particular circumstance (I can sometimes say if such is needed, but that should never be taken to imply that I think it hasn’t been done), in a situation like this, I think it’s very safe to presume that what the OP described was certainly done with the permission of the pastor. Doing such a think without his permission would be nearly impossible.
 
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