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archangel04
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How about not doing it at all? It is only an option right?
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celticcrusader
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The document from The Vatican is titled " Paschalis Sollemnitatis " 1988 it is on The Vatican site vatican.va or you can find it on line at other sites also
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Joannm
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It is an option. We have decided as a parish that if it ever came down to where our bishop said no women we would not wash feet. Do you know how hard it is to get men to say yes to having their feet washed. Most of the men we have got over the years only did it because their wives were doing it as well. This year I only could get three men to say yes to getting their feet washed.
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Annabelle_Marie
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And yet the USCCB still have their option on their website and have not changed it—perhaps the Vatican doesn’t know…
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perro_sarnoso
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The Mandatum as it is called goes beyond Christ being humble and meek.
In the washing of the feet, Christ establishes His holy priesthood, the apostles- distinct from the Levitical priesthood.
It is symbolic of that event and this is why women and children should not be included in the washing of the feet.
This is yet another liturgical abuse from the modernist catholics seeking “inclusion” and “equal rights” and other new age catch phrases and cool sayings.
In the washing of the feet, Christ establishes His holy priesthood, the apostles- distinct from the Levitical priesthood.
It is symbolic of that event and this is why women and children should not be included in the washing of the feet.
This is yet another liturgical abuse from the modernist catholics seeking “inclusion” and “equal rights” and other new age catch phrases and cool sayings.
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Annabelle_Marie
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So using that logic…married men should not have their feet washed either as they can not be priests?
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MarkThompson
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Great point – the Mandatum is supposed to visibly underscore the importance of the priesthood, and to show how others should serve them. Hey, maybe on Holy Thursday we ought to have twelve men wash the priest’s feet! That would definitely highlight the message Jesus was trying to get across here.
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Califman831
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This is the response to an email i sent to my local diocese.
Thank you for your question.
The liturgical documents indicate that the feet of twelve men may be washed during the Mass of the Lord’s Supper. The Holy See in Rome has further clarified that the word “men” may be interpreted broadly in this case, so that it is perfectly legitimate for men, women and children to have their feet washed during this Mass.
I hope this helps!
God bless, and may you have a wonderful Triduum and Easter.
Director of Faith Formation, Diaconate and Planning
Diocese of Monterey
Thank you for your question.
The liturgical documents indicate that the feet of twelve men may be washed during the Mass of the Lord’s Supper. The Holy See in Rome has further clarified that the word “men” may be interpreted broadly in this case, so that it is perfectly legitimate for men, women and children to have their feet washed during this Mass.
I hope this helps!
God bless, and may you have a wonderful Triduum and Easter.
Director of Faith Formation, Diaconate and Planning
Diocese of Monterey
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Phemie
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When this ritual was reintroduced in our parish about 12 years ago, after years of washing each other’s hands
, you had a hard time finding a man who would have his feet washed. I think the first year we had 8 women and 3 servers and 1 man, and I was one of those women. I think I’d only seen the ritual a couple of times in other parishes and had never given any thought to it so was really unsure of what its intent was. What I did know was that the CCCB published ORDO called for having a 'cross-section of the parish" and you can’t have a cross-section if you eliminate 50 percent of your parishioners from the get go.I volunteered for the first couple of years but then came to understand the meaning of the ritual and took my name off the list. Each year or two we’d pick up another male volunteer and now we have a guy who makes it his priority to find 12 men for this. What I would hope is happening is that he doesn’t eliminate any man from his pool of volunteers by just asking men who belong to certain organizations.
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Phemie
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Oh, but married men **can **be priests even if, presently, the Latin Rite discispline doesn’t allow it except in rare circumstances. Such is not the case with women.
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thomas_jd
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The washing of feet is a symbolic reenactment.
Optional.
Optional.
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celticcrusader
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Unmarried men being Priest’s is a discpline of The Church , The Holy Father could change that if he saw fit. The same goes for being a Cardinal right now you have to be a Priest, that discpline could change also and there could be Lay Cardinals as was the case many, many years ago.
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Patsy_Lou
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Bless you, you have now graduated from naivity about the faith
. It is ongoing, ever-changing with the help of the Holy Spirit. And, yes, American Catholics, have opportunities to have a woman’s feet washed!
And we women no longer wear headcoverings!
And some of us wear slacks to mass!
Please stay tuned to the people of the church and you, too, may have choices that are important to you.:clapping:
. It is ongoing, ever-changing with the help of the Holy Spirit. And, yes, American Catholics, have opportunities to have a woman’s feet washed!And we women no longer wear headcoverings!
And some of us wear slacks to mass!Please stay tuned to the people of the church and you, too, may have choices that are important to you.
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celticcrusader
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My personal choice is to stay faithful to Rome , I am not interested in being in the american catholic church if it comes down to that.Bless you, you have now graduated from naivity about the faith
And we women no longer wear headcoverings!
Please stay tuned to the people of the church and you, too, may have choices that are important to you.
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Califman831
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maybe nancy pelosi will one day be the new pope of the american church. I’m sticking with the bishop of Rome. Which city is the american vatican going to be located in?
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Annabelle_Marie
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And washing of men’s only feet is dogma? Who knew:shrug:
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EasterJoy
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Actually, married men can be ordained. It is a discipline of Rome that they not be ordained without specific permission, but such permission can be obtained.
IOW: Ordination of married men is ordinarily not allowed. Ordination of women has been deemed by the Church to be simply impossible.
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EasterJoy
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I’m a mother. Nothing I say is dogma, but that does not mean I am without any legitimate authority. Neither does the fact that I can change my mind about something mean that my decisions can be considered arbitrary.
The liturgical authority of the Church is stated clearly in canon law. It isn’t dogma, but it is truly authoritative, and not arbitrary.
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Annabelle_Marie
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And others have posted hear that there may have been clarification from Rome on that…we just don’t know. But there are those that treat it like Dogma…no?
I myself find it hard to believe that if Rome was SO against it…and the USCCB has had it on their website for so long…that they would not have done anything about it.
For me…I will follow what the Bishop says as I do not see it as being an abuse especially when the USCCB says the same thing.
To use your analogy isn’t this like mom and dad saying different things?
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Califman831
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The fathers of the Second Vatican Council clearly stated that “…no other person, not even a priest, may add, remove, change anything in the liturgy on his own authority” [Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, no. 23]. Furthermore, according to Church law the Vatican must confirm liturgical legislation approved by the various national conferences of bishops. It is “the prerogative of the Apostolic See to regulate the sacred liturgy of the universal Church, to publish liturgical books and review their vernacular translations, and to be watchful that liturgical regulations are everywhere faithfully observed” [Canon 838.2].And others have posted hear that there may have been clarification from Rome on that…we just don’t know. But there are those that treat it like Dogma…no?
I myself find it hard to believe that if Rome was SO against it…and the USCCB has had it on their website for so long…that they would not have done anything about it.
For me…I will follow what the Bishop says as I do not see it as being an abuse especially when the USCCB says the same thing.
To use your analogy isn’t this like mom and dad saying different things?
stopmandatumabuse.com/drupal/VaticanIIHadToSay
So far my search has returned the 87’s usccb statement by those supporting the inclusion of women, yet when asked to provide more recent documentation there has been none.
I also enjoyed how the site stated the authority of the usccb on lay catholics.
And this list is most assuredly not exhaustive. It seems the Pope took enormous pains, indeed, almost unheard of pains, to make clear that the USCCB and similar episcopal organizations have the following authority over any particular lay Catholic:
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A sounding brass and tinkling cymbal signifying nothingIn short, according to the infallible ordinary Magisterium, the teaching authority of the USCCB does not exist. Fifty cents and any USCCB document would not buy a candy bar, unless the cashier didn’t want to charge sales tax. The USCCB is a purely consultative body whose opinions aren’t worth rust in the scales. The only person a Catholic is required to at least listen to is his own bishop.
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