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bones_IV
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Hey guys, I know that only men are allowed to have their feet washed. Correct? Where do I find the Vatican document that talks about this? Thankx This site rocks.
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John_Lilburne
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It is in the Roman Missal, the Mass of the Lord’s Supper. In the 2002 Missale Romanum it is on page 300.
James Akin has written about this at jimmyakin.org/2005/03/viri_selecti.html and jimmyakin.org/2005/02/foot_washing.html .
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Dr.Bombay
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These are mere suggestions. Only if the Pope specifically told a priest face to face that he is forbidden to wash the feet of a woman, would he be obligated to follow that command.
And even then, there’d be some wiggle room.
And even then, there’d be some wiggle room.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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Dr. Bombay:
The rubrics of the Roman Missal are only suggestions? Huh?
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bones_IV
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Br. Rich SFO:
Brother Rich, lets pray for this soul.
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Dr.Bombay
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Br. Rich SFO:
/sarcasm on
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I was being a smart ***. Next time I’ll be more obvious, e.g…
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James0235
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Br. Rich SFO:
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Well, that seems to be that attitude of probably a majority of the priests I have encountered in my life.
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paramedicgirl
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I have also been wondering about whether the foot washing on Holy Thursday was only for men. It makes sense, since there were only men at the Last Supper. My parish always has some women up there getting their feet washed, and I have been asked more than once, and always declined. So if women are not supposed to be up there, what is the best way to bring this up to the priest?
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msproule
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I just searched the USCCB website and rediscovered the document “Holy Thursday Mandatum”, which addresses this topic very poorly (IMO). The Holy See had never approved it. For those unfamiliar with this, it allowed for various interpretations, including the washing of women’s feet.
Instead, read Paschale Solemnitatis. It came out a year after the USCCB’s Mandatum and is an official document of the Congregation of Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments.
Instead, read Paschale Solemnitatis. It came out a year after the USCCB’s Mandatum and is an official document of the Congregation of Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments.
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little1
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In my parish we actually have a group foot washing where anyone who wants to goes to the alter and washes the feet of their friends and loved ones. RCIA candidates and sponsors typically do for each other as well. We’ve never had 12 chosen people of either sex washed by the priest.
Until today, when I stumbled upon this forum, I didn’t know it was wrong and now I don’t know what to do. I’m sponsoring a friend in RCIA this year and we will be expected to participate. Do we obey the Pope or our priest and the bishop who supports him?
Until today, when I stumbled upon this forum, I didn’t know it was wrong and now I don’t know what to do. I’m sponsoring a friend in RCIA this year and we will be expected to participate. Do we obey the Pope or our priest and the bishop who supports him?
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Br.Rich_SFO
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I would attend the Mas of the Last Supper and Adoration after. I would simply decline to participate in a liturgical abuse. You and your Candidate can just remain seated. You are not required to participate in something that is liturgically incorrect or outright wrong ( intentionally ignoring directives from Rome).
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Elzee
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I’ve seen a priest wash the feet of all the catechumens - men and women. He kisses each foot after he washes it. Has anybody else seen this? Any thoughts?
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little1
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Thanks for the reply, Br. I guess that’s what we’ll have to do but I don’t look forward to explaining it to the RCIA director. Maybe there will be an opportunity to talk about it at group. There are a couple of sponsors who are very well educated in the Church and at the least we could have an interesting discussion.
Still, the service as we have it is nice. I’ve participated before and it’s a beautiful thing. But that’s the point of obedience–
Still, the service as we have it is nice. I’ve participated before and it’s a beautiful thing. But that’s the point of obedience–
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jbuck919
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Aside from the many traditional reasons to use only men, you can’t have a man washing the feet of women because of the obvious sexual connotation of that. I believe they have known about fetishes for a long time.
Several years ago I chaperoned one of the senior retreats at my Catholic high school because I was the senior class advisor. I had never done such a thing before. It was the most disgusting exercise in touchy-feely forming of fake fellowship exploiting the immature emotions of young people and absence of real Catholic values that I have ever experienced. At one point the priest in charge had an exercise that had us washing each other’s’ hands a pair at a time, I forget why (I am not making this up). As the first pair, my (female) colleague and I jumped up and washed each other’s hand so that neither of us would be stuck in the embarrassing position of doing this with a student.
Several years ago I chaperoned one of the senior retreats at my Catholic high school because I was the senior class advisor. I had never done such a thing before. It was the most disgusting exercise in touchy-feely forming of fake fellowship exploiting the immature emotions of young people and absence of real Catholic values that I have ever experienced. At one point the priest in charge had an exercise that had us washing each other’s’ hands a pair at a time, I forget why (I am not making this up). As the first pair, my (female) colleague and I jumped up and washed each other’s hand so that neither of us would be stuck in the embarrassing position of doing this with a student.
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LeahInancsi
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Br. Rich SFO:
Why should the Church discriminate on this when they don’t seem to have a problem putting their hands in my pockets in the same manner as the men?
I’m not being a smart*.** If the Church is going to wash feet, everybody’s feet should be washed!
Why should the Church discriminate on this when they don’t seem to have a problem putting their hands in my pockets in the same manner as the men?
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JimG
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I guess it could work ot as long as the women don’t wear pantyhose. Personally, I’d rather forego this entire ritual.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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It’s not really an argument to have with the RCIA director. It is simply liturgically incorrect and disobedient to do this. No one is ever compelled to participate in something liturgically incorrect.
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Digitonomy
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From the Paschale Solemnitatis linked above,
What did they do in the old days before concelebrations were permitted, and priests were required to celebrate mass once a day?
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muledog
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LeahInancsi said:
I guess I could rant and rave about the fact that only women can have babies, but I won’t. Talk about discriminatory!
BTW, I remember last year around this same time, there was discussion on all of the progressive news outlets (NPR, NCR, etc.) that Archbishop Sean O’Malley of Boston had received permission from Rome that allows him to wash the feet of women during the Mandatum.
In an article from the Boston Globe, “The Vatican said, according to the spokeswoman, that O’Malley could wash women’s feet”.
I’ve never actual read the Vatican statement, and I haven’t seen it published anywhere on the 'net, so I can’t vouch for the voracity of this article.
You might want to read a thread from last year’s forum regarding this same issue. It’s probably where this discussion will end, anyhow.
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little1
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Pantyhose has long been a problem in our parish. Every year Father reminds the women not to wear them and every year some women forget.
The aspect that saddens me has really always been that the handicapped are generally excluded because they can’t kneal to participate in the reciprocal washing. Actually, as long as there are steps to the alter they’re excluded from just about everything. But that’s probably another thread.
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