Holy water & absolution

  • Thread starter Thread starter Jason_1977
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
J

Jason_1977

Guest
I was reading in another chat that holy water absolves minor sins, is this true? I always understood that upon entering & exiting the church, you dip your finger in the holy water & bless yourself & that is a way of renewing your baptism (according to the RCIA instructor) I’m a catholic, but only converted a year & a half ago so I’m not so saavy. So does holy water absolve minor sins? Venial? A sacramentAL having more “umph” than a sacraMENT doesn’t make sense to me, but again, I’m somewhat of a novice. I appreciate any & all (name removed by moderator)ut Thanks!
 
I was reading in another chat that holy water absolves minor sins, is this true? I always understood that upon entering & exiting the church, you dip your finger in the holy water & bless yourself & that is a way of renewing your baptism (according to the RCIA instructor) I’m a catholic, but only converted a year & a half ago so I’m not so saavy. So does holy water absolve minor sins? Venial? A sacramentAL having more “umph” than a sacraMENT doesn’t make sense to me, but again, I’m somewhat of a novice. I appreciate any & all (name removed by moderator)ut Thanks!
Congrats on your conversion, and welcome!

Yes, using holy water does absolve venial sins. Now, this isn’t magic. St. Thomas Aquinas described it as this:

"Reply to Objection 1. All these things (sprinkling of holy water, bishops blessing, etc) cause the remission of venial sins, in so far as they incline the soul to the movement of penance, viz., the implicit or explicit detestation of one’s sins. "

newadvent.org/summa/4087.htm

Some people say that it really isn’t necessary to bless yourself with holy water when exiting the church, and it does make sense. From what I have read, the Eucharist also absolves venial sins (I’m not sure if Aquinas believed this). And because God confers grace to you through the sacraments, there is no need to bless yourself when leaving the church (especially when you already renewed your baptismal covenants, so you don’t need to do that again an hour later).

Remember, the sacraments confer grace. Sacramentals do not, and point us towards the sacraments, and serve as reminders of various things. And I always emphasize that sacraments and sacramentals are not magical things. You have to be faithful and believe in what they signify for there to be an effect on you. The Eucharist is always made present, but if you don’t actually believe in the Real Presence, you aren’t entering into a sacramental relationship with God. They won’t “do” anything for you if you don’t have faith.
 
Jason,

No, Holy Water doesn’t absolve from venial sins. Please read-on.

ThuriferAcolyte quoted St Thomas as saying that using it (ie making the sign of the cross on ourselves, or something similar) or other sacramentals such as blessings “cause the remission of venial sins.” Yes, that’s true…

Here’s what we have to keep in mind: remission of sins (ie forgiveness from God) is not the same thing as absolution. Absolution is a juridic act of the Church, and as such can only occur through the ministry of the priest. Absolution means that we have been reconciled to the Church *through that juridic act *and also means that we have been forgiven from our sins (again, through the ministry of the priest). Whenever we are absolved, we are also forgiven (there’s no such thing as absolution w/o forgiveness). However, we are not always absolved when we are forgiven because forgiveness can come even apart from absolution.

Absolution means that we are reconciled to the Church. Keep in mind that because of our human nature, we sin all the time (ie venial sins). These venial sins do not necessarily seperate us from the Church (yes, sometimes they might, but our “everyday” sins generally do not)–and so it is not always necessary that we be reconciled to the Church. That’s not to say we shouldn’t seek absolution, or that we should take this for granted, it simply means that absolution itself is not always necessary for us to continue in the life of the Church–when speaking of minor sins.

Keep in mind what St Thomas was saying: that it’s not so much the act of sprinkling with holy water that removes our sins, but the inner disposition that we have (ie repentance) when we do so–the use of holy water is the sign of that repentance.

Forgiveness and absolution are not the same thing–even though Catholics often use the words interchangeably. This isn’t to parse words, but an important and essential distinction.

Forgiveness means that God has remitted the sin; and this can happen at any time for any sin because of His infinite mercy and love for us. God can, and does, forgive even the most egregious sins apart from the Sacrament of Confession, and likewise, He forgives venial sins apart from Sacramental Confession. That’s why we can be forgiven without being absolved.

Absolution (I’ll say it again because it’s so important) is a juridic act of the Church, and this can occur only in the Sacrament of Confession (in at least its minimal form). In absolution we are reconciled to God and the Church by an outward act, ie the Sacrament. Absolution always includes forgiveness because naturally, we can’t be reconciled while the cause of our seperation (sin) still exists. That’s why whenever we are absolved we are also forgiven.

Since venial sins do not seperate us from the life of the Church (and I say that with caution because it’s not to be taken too far–all sins seperate us in some way) it isn’t necessary that we be returned to the life of the Church. Logically, we can’t be returned to the thing which we’ve never left. We need only to be forgiven. To put that another way, when we commit minor venial sins, absolution isn’t necessary and therefore forgiveness-without-absolution, which we can obtain through sacramentals, is sufficient.

So no, Holy Water does not absolve us from venial sins; but the outward sign of Holy Water which accompanies our inner disposition of repentance for sin can be sufficient for us to obtain remission from those sins.
 
Thank you for explaining the difference between absolution vs. forgiveness/remission Father. Interestingly, I have even seen someone that made a distinction between forgiveness and remission, though this was a Mormon, so I’m not sure if there is a difference between the two in Catholic theology (it seems like there is not).

So holy water remits venial sins, but it does not absolve them. The Eucharist also does this as well, for the same reasons you explained in reference to holy water.
 
Thank you for explaining the difference between absolution vs. forgiveness/remission Father. Interestingly, I have even seen someone that made a distinction between forgiveness and remission, though this was a Mormon, so I’m not sure if there is a difference between the two in Catholic theology (it seems like there is not).

So holy water remits venial sins, but it does not absolve them. The Eucharist also does this as well, for the same reasons you explained in reference to holy water.
It’s not the holy water itself, or even the Eucharist itself (not the physical act of receiving/consuming the Eucharist I mean) which forgives. We obtain forgiveness from the mercy of God, as a result of our own repentance, and the sacrament or sacramental is the outward act which signifies that repentance & forgiveness. I say this because there’s a certain danger here of thinking that we don’t need the Sacrament of Confession because Holy Water, other sacramentals, the penitential rite of the Mass, or even the reception of Communion, etc. is somehow seen as a “replacement” for Confession. I see that idea posted a lot here: someone posts “you don’t need to go to Confession because the penitential rite remits venial sins.” It’s like someone saying “a bandaid stops bleeding.” It might be true in itself, but it can be taken too far, and the subtleties of this true-statement still need to be articulated. There are times when we need stitches, and a bandaid isn’t enough. And I am not just talking about the obvious distinction between mortal and venial sins either. We need confession even for our venial sins (yes, I know canon law says that it’s only required for mortal sins, but that too can be, and sometimes is, taken too far). Even though sacramental confession isn’t required by canon law for venial sins, strictly speaking, we still need the other forms of healing that come only from this sacrament.

One of the reasons why it’s essential to distinguish between forgiveness and absolution is that we need to remember that even though our venial sins might be forgiven by sacramentals, we can only be absolved in the Sacrament. We can only be reconciled to the Church by the absolution imparted by a priest. This reconciliation is an important value in itself. When we commit venial sins, we aren’t separated from the Church to the same degree that results from mortal sins: obviously, if we comit murder we can’t receive Communion, but venial sins don’t prohibit us from receiving Communion. But sometimes we are still in need of reconciliation to the Church even though the wound itself isn’t so severe as to keep us from Communion.

Again, my concern here is that the idea of sacrementals “forgiving” our sins can be taken a bit too far, and we need to temper that thought by explaining that these are never to be seen as an outright substitute for Sacramental confession & absolution. It’s a very real concern because I see that idea posted on these threads quite often, and I hear it said in CCD & RCIA classes all the time. It’s not enough to simply say “yes, we can be forgiven by/through sacramentals” and leave it at that; because the hearer may very well go away with the impression that sacramental confession only applies to mortal sins. Personally, I think that this is one of many contributing factors to the drop in confession which we’ve seen in the past few decades.

Finally, in Catholic usage, forgive and remit are more-or-less the same. There are some subtle differences between the words, but not enough to matter for our purposes. But I’ll say it anyway. For example, a person might “remit” a debt but not “forgive” the debt–let’s say someone owes me money and I say to myself “he’ll never pay it back, so I’ll forget about it.” I have remitted the debt because I’ve stopped expecting repayment, but I haven’t forgiven it because I still want to be repaid. If I forgive the debt, I’ve both stopped expecting payment and no longer want to be repaid. God, on the other hand, whenever He remits He also forgives because in His infinite mercy He doesn’t hold-back anything. But keep in mind that as we use the words in sacramental discussions, it’s safe to say that forgive and remit mean the same thing.
 
TY Father for some wonderful insights & distinctions that every Catholic should know.

yours in Christ
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top