Holy water for baptism

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I am taking a college religion class in which we are discussing superstition within religion. Of course, I am maintaining the stance that our beliefs are faith based and are NOT superstitions. I was questioned about the belief in holy water for baptism and didn’t know how to answer. I’m sure I’ve come to the right place. Thanks.
 
I am taking a college religion class in which we are discussing superstition within religion. Of course, I am maintaining the stance that our beliefs are faith based and are NOT superstitions. I was questioned about the belief in holy water for baptism and didn’t know how to answer. I’m sure I’ve come to the right place. Thanks.
Well, it’s kind of a trick question…is “holy water” part of the ritual of baptism? Yes, either blessed before or during the ritual. Is holy water required for the sacrament to be efficacious? Absolutely not. In fact the code of canon law allows even the un-baptized to be a minister of baptism in cases of danger of death and the only requirement is water and trinitarian form.
 
Sounds like an interesting course! Holy Water is usually blessed at the Easter Vigil and then used for several rites, not only at Baptism but for sprinkling rites and the sign of the cross when we enter the church. These rites all remind us and point to our baptism. The use of holy water for baptism isn’t a requirement but baptizing with water blessed at our most important liturgy symbolizes our connection with the whole church…all of the baptized.

Water is symbolic of life, death , cleansing and growth. Christian Catholics begin the initiation process with water just as creation was portrayed in the Old Testament…God began with water. Water is an important symbol in scripture both old and new…Noah, Red Sea, River Jordan etc.
 
Here is a great resource to help you answer questions on Holy Water:

fisheaters.com/water.html

It’s got a lot of history and background behind it that could be useful.

Traditional symbolism vs superstition should be focused on.
 
I am taking a college religion class in which we are discussing superstition within religion. Of course, I am maintaining the stance that our beliefs are faith based and are NOT superstitions. I was questioned about the belief in holy water for baptism and didn’t know how to answer. I’m sure I’ve come to the right place. Thanks.
Technically the hypothesis is correct, yet it’s also very incorrect.

Superstition vs Christian use of the word “Mystery”
Salvation History - scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p2.htm#781
Jesus’ Church and His people - scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm

In the Catechism:
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334
 
Holy Baptism is the first sacrament, making us members of Christ and His the Church. We are received into His Church via Holy Baptism.Holy Baptism required the use of Holy water and the Trinitarian formula, and this is in scripture.

“Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” (Matthew 28:19) Douay-Rheims Bible

The use of Holy water:

“Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5) Douay-Rheims Bible

Holy Baptism is necessary for salvation according to Vatican II. (Salvation outside the Church might be possible, if someone through no fault of their own fails to hear Jesus’ message, but that’s a whole other discussion).
 
christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/others.html

Catechism of the Catholic Church

The use of sacramentals in the Church:

ARTICLE 1 - SACRAMENTALS

1667 “Holy Mother Church has, moreover, instituted sacramentals. These are sacred signs which bear a resemblance to the sacraments. They signify effects, particularly of a spiritual nature, which are obtained through the intercession of the Church. By them men are disposed to receive the chief effect of the sacraments, and various occasions in life are rendered holy.”[171]

The characteristics of sacramentals

1668 Sacramentals are instituted for the sanctification of certain ministries of the Church, certain states of life, a great variety of circumstances in Christian life, and the use of many things helpful to man. In accordance with bishops’ pastoral decisions, they can also respond to the needs, culture, and special history of the Christian people of a particular region or time. They always include a prayer, often accompanied by a specific sign, such as the laying on of hands, the sign of the cross, or the sprinkling of holy water (which recalls Baptism).
 
Holy Baptism is the first sacrament, making us members of Christ and His the Church. We are received into His Church via Holy Baptism.Holy Baptism does notrequired the use of Holy water and the Trinitarian formula, and this is in scripture.I fixed it for you.

“Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” (Matthew 28:19) Douay-Rheims Bible

The use of Holy water:

“Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5) Douay-Rheims Bible

Holy Baptism is necessary for salvation according to Vatican II. (Salvation outside the Church might be possible, if someone through no fault of their own fails to hear Jesus’ message, but that’s a whole other discussion).
You are trying to change the discussion from, “is water used in baptism required to be blessed and therefore holy water.” To the requirement of baptism to be saved. Please stay on topic…
 
We as Catholics, recognize that God came to humanity through His chosen people, the Jews.

Even there, across those early centuries of Salvation History, the faith that God asked the Jews to practice was a prefigurement of what God the Son would come and fulfill in the New Covenant.

In the same way, the Sacraments we practice today, will be a prefigurement of our Salvation which we will experience with Jesus upon our death.

P.S. I’ll pray for you and you please pray to the Holy Spirit as you answer for your faith.

It’s very difficult to answer these “got ya” suppositions in a classroom. A person could write a complete thesis answering this question.

Personally, I question the morality of any professor who feels this is the correct way to study religous faith.
 
Barbkw…VAC asked a simple question about holy water and it wasn’t a “got ya”.
I think this is a great class. There is much superstition in most faiths. Good to discuss these things in order to mature in the faith.
 
The question is not about holy water. It’s about religion being based in superstition.
 
I suppose we would need to clarify terms.

In the context of the class, what is meant by the word “superstition”
 
I am taking a college religion class in which we are discussing superstition within religion. Of course, I am maintaining the stance that our beliefs are faith based and are NOT superstitions. I was questioned about the belief in holy water for baptism and didn’t know how to answer. I’m sure I’ve come to the right place. Thanks.
I must say, I owe the OP and all an apology…I just read the OP again and I see I read into the question, “if the holy water is required.” This is not the question, its about the belief in the holy water itself.

I would say that the belief in holy water is in no way superstition if you understand what it is, in simple terms it is the one who blesses it in whom we have faith, and I don’t mean the minister; I mean God Himself. My belief in a lucky rabbits foot’s ability to bring me luck would show my faith in an object and of it’s power, whereas my belief in a blessed cross is belief in the One who blesses it. One is superstition one is faith in God.
 
Read the 1st post again…but whatever…there is Some superstition in most religions.
Superstition enters into the equasion when people, the faithful, misunderstand their religion’s teachings and traditions.
 
** There is much superstition in most faiths**

So, are there superstitions in our Catholic faith?
 
** There is much superstition in most faiths**

So, are there superstitions in our Catholic faith?
Secular definitions of the word - superstition.
1.Excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings.
2.A widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice…
Definition of SUPERSTITION
1a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
It is a common superstition that a black cat crossing your path is bad luck.
Tales of superstition, witchcraft, and magic
 
In what context, was your instructor using the word superstition and then also combining that with various religious practices?
 
"It has been said that religion is a sophisticated form of superstition. Is this statement true or false?"
This is the discussion question for an online class.
 
"It has been said that religion is a sophisticated form of superstition. Is this statement true or false?"
This is the discussion question for an online class.
The answer is relative to which religion one is referring to. The statement is both true and false.

And to some extent, a religion can be originally established to lead people out of superstitition only to have its followers fall back into the practices of superstitition.

That is what happened to the Israelites (Egyptian worship of bulls) and when Solomon allowed pagan worship back into Jerusalem.
 
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