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[GRATEFULONEjim]

Someone with authority must be the one to deal with these types of situations from the very beginning. It would have been better if you had not even approached the woman- you should have told the pastor what was going on.

Disagree wholeheartedly! :tsktsk:

 

[The_Professor]

“If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.”

Matthew 18:15-17

Offering the courtesy of going to her personally was the right thing to do as you could not have predicted her response. Since she refused to listen, going to the parish priest is the correct course of action. It was best to try to determine the truth about the situation and offer her the truth about the Sacramental Presence before taking it to the parish. As Jesus says, “If he [she] listens to you, you have won over your brother [sister, in this case].”

 

[TheMc]

BTW, I don’t think that Communion on the tongue would make a difference here. I think this woman sounds like someone who would find a way to take the Sacred Host home no matter how she received Holy Communion.

Yes, but how would she get them home without dissolving if she received on the tongue?

This is one of the many reasons why communion in the hand was never a good idea in the first place.

 

[Corki]

Yes, but how would she get them home without dissolving if she received on the tongue?

This is one of the many reasons why communion in the hand was never a good idea in the first place.

I am not sure it is a problem directly attributable to CITH. The bigger problem seems to be poorly trained EMHCs. Our are directed to make sure that host are consumed before the communicant turns away from the EMHC. Ours also went through “refresher training” after a host was found in the ladies room at the back of the Church. Hopefully, the OPs pastor will take similar action.

 

[TheMc]

I am not sure it is a problem directly attributable to CITH. The bigger problem seems to be poorly trained EMHCs. Our are directed to make sure that host are consumed before the communicant turns away from the EMHC. Ours also went through “refresher training” after a host was found in the ladies room at the back of the Church. Hopefully, the OPs pastor will take similar action.

Yes, the EMHCs should have done a better job, but still, would we be dealing with things like this if there was no CITH?

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

Yes, the EMHCs should have done a better job, but still, would we be dealing with things like this if there was no CITH?

We have dippers at our Church. They receive the Host in hand and walk to the chalice to dip. I find that offensive that our priest and Eucharistic ministers don’t put a stop to it. Yes, I’m off topic! Sorry.

 

[gatewood1988]

I am hoping that your priest does call you back. I am sorry that she went off on you. Hopefully all will be resolved.

 

[TheMc]

We have dippers at our Church. They receive the Host in hand and walk to the chalice to dip. I find that offensive that our priest and Eucharistic ministers don’t put a stop to it. Yes, I’m off topic! Sorry.

I would talk to your priest immedetely. That’s called intinction, and is strictly forbidden for the people! Yet another reason against CITH, I might add.

Redemptionis Sacramentum:

1. The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice

Paragraph 173 later says that this is a grave abuse.

1. Although the gravity of a matter is to be judged in accordance with the common teaching of the Church and the norms established by her, objectively to be considered among grave matters is anything that puts at risk the validity and dignity of the Most Holy Eucharist: namely, anything that contravenes what is set out above in nn. 48-52, 56, 76-77, 79, 91-92, 94, 96, 101-102, 104, 106, 109, 111, 115, 117, 126, 131-133, 138, 153 and 168.

You need to write a letter to the bishop right away, or at least give the diocese a call. This is serious.

1. In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

 

[PerfectTiming]

Yes, the EMHCs should have done a better job, but still, would we be dealing with things like this if there was no CITH?

People like this woman would find a way to keep the Blessed Host even if there was no CITH. She seems determined, despite the OP’s explanation that she is gravely sinning.

 

[lambOpeace]

This morning the Pastor returned my call. He asked how he could help me and I told him that I knew of a neighbor who had been smuggling Holy Hosts out of mass and saving them, and then administering them herself, giving them to her kids, using them for headaches, etc. I said I had talked to her about it and that she did not intend to stop. He said that he wasn’t sure he could stop the practice unless he saw it himself. He did not ask me to ID the woman. He said that he cannot accuse anyone of doing this just because of a secondhand witness, and that he would have to catch someone in the act of smuggling Him out the door, and that the priest’s job isn’t necessarily to snoop around. He understood that this was upsetting, but that ultimately it is up to each person to treat Our Lord with respect - that he couldn’t enforce it. He said he would keep an eye out and thanked me for calling.

Then I asked him about the monstrance and he said that if I wanted to, I could drop it off at the parish desk and they could hang on to it in storage in case they ever heard of someone else needing it. I guess that is what I will do?

 

[TheMc]

This morning the Pastor returned my call. He asked how he could help me and I told him that I knew of a neighbor who had been smuggling Holy Hosts out of mass and saving them, and then administering them herself, giving them to her kids, using them for headaches, etc. I said I had talked to her about it and that she did not intend to stop. He said that he wasn’t sure he could stop the practice unless he saw it himself. He did not ask me to ID the woman. He said that he cannot accuse anyone of doing this just because of a secondhand witness, and that he would have to catch someone in the act of smuggling Him out the door, and that the priest’s job isn’t necessarily to snoop around. He understood that this was upsetting, but that ultimately it is up to each person to treat Our Lord with respect - that he couldn’t enforce it. He said he would keep an eye out and thanked me for calling.

Wow. That’s it?

 

[gatewood1988]

This morning the Pastor returned my call. He asked how he could help me and I told him that I knew of a neighbor who had been smuggling Holy Hosts out of mass and saving them, and then administering them herself, giving them to her kids, using them for headaches, etc. I said I had talked to her about it and that she did not intend to stop. He said that he wasn’t sure he could stop the practice unless he saw it himself. He did not ask me to ID the woman. He said that he cannot accuse anyone of doing this just because of a secondhand witness, and that he would have to catch someone in the act of smuggling Him out the door, and that the priest’s job isn’t necessarily to snoop around. He understood that this was upsetting, but that ultimately it is up to each person to treat Our Lord with respect - that he couldn’t enforce it. He said he would keep an eye out and thanked me for calling.

Then I asked him about the monstrance and he said that if I wanted to, I could drop it off at the parish desk and they could hang on to it in storage in case they ever heard of someone else needing it. I guess that is what I will do?

I have to say I am a little shocked and sad

 

[Hicks]

lambOpeace, you’re being remarkably courageous about all this, thank you for the witness. Without criticizing your priest in any way, I personally think that this matter should be taken up with your bishop, maybe by letter or a call to his office. You probably feel like you’re getting nowhere at this point, but I think Christ put the right person in the right place and that something good will come of all this.

 

[FromTheAshes777]

If you go to the same parish, I know this may sound like ratting, but in this circumstance I do believe that it is okay and even almost required. Talk to the priest. Tell him what you know. He will know how to handle the situation discretely.

God Bless.

I absolutely agree, since the priest didn’t do much, I would write a letter to the bishop. This is really a serious matter. God bless.

 

[Little_One0307]

Hi,

Yep. The Little guy with the sign says:

[SIGN]It’s time to go to the Bishop[/SIGN]

Thanks for the update. I know you probably feel like you are going in circles, but this does need to get addressed. Rest assured you are doing the right thing, and sometimes doing the right thing can be a pain in the neck, but it is always worth the hassle.

I appreciate your courage and your willingness to follow counself. You are to be commended. I am praying for you.

God Bless.

 

[PerfectTiming]

As others have already said, you should contact the bishop.
Whilst I understand the priests position in not wanting to accuse without evidence, it is a serious enough allegation that I feel he should at least have asked to speak with the woman.

 

[FaustinaClare]

Sorry to be joining late but this whole thing has blown my mind!

I have a book on Eucharistic Miracles. In it was a story of a woman who brought hosts home with her wrapped in a napkin and kept it in her home. She started to feel guilty about it and then looked at the host and it had started to bleed and turn to flesh. The local priest came to the house and confiscated the host and brought it back to the church.

I just can’t see the priest today getting into this woman’s house and taking the hosts back without her flipping out and calling the police!!!

All we can do now is PRAY that the priest catches her in the act and is able to prevent this from happening further or the Bishop will get involved.

. I really hope something can be done this story has made me physically ill.

 

[Little_One0307]

Sorry to be joining late but this whole thing has blown my mind!

I have a book on Eucharistic Miracles. In it was a story of a woman who brought hosts home with her wrapped in a napkin and kept it in her home. She started to feel guilty about it and then looked at the host and it had started to bleed and turn to flesh. The local priest came to the house and confiscated the host and brought it back to the church.

I just can’t see the priest today getting into this woman’s house and taking the hosts back without her flipping out and calling the police!!!

All we can do now is PRAY that the priest catches her in the act and is able to prevent this from happening further or the Bishop will get involved.

. I really hope something can be done this story has made me physically ill.

Hi,

I remember reading that story. I would have freaked out if that had happened to me.

Sry to hear you are ill over this. Something does not sit well with my stomach in thinking about what the OP’s neighbor is doing.

God Bless.

 

[odile53]

At least your priest is now alerted to the fact that there is someone taking consecrated hosts out of the church, and can keep an eye out for this. Maybe it’s as much of a shock to him as it was to you. You have to admit, it isn’t the kind of thing you hear about every day, and probably most priests never encounter something like this. He may even have to consult the bishop as to how to proceed in this case, which I’m thinking is pretty likely.

The bottom line is, you’ve probably done the best you can, at least at the parish level. You could (and probably should,) go to the diocesan level, because of the gravity of this.

At least your priest had a pretty good solution to the monstrance issue, though.

 

[Byzman]

Hey everyone…dont believe this guy…people are starting to suspect he is a troll. Look at his most recent posts…besides has anyone ever heard of the Most Holy Sacrament referred to as “Holy Hosts?”