Homilies too weak?

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You will find that an inordinate percentage of coursework in Catholic seminaries is devoted to philosophy and liturgical studies with a much reduced focus on exegetical, homiletical, and systematic theology coursework in comparison to your top notch seminary systems in the Protestant realm.
Freely asserted, freely denied.

And yes, I know what I’m talking about. Catholic seminaries do not have “an inordinate percentage of coursework in … liturgical studies.” I would recommend that you read up on the “Program for Priestly Formation” on the USCCB site.
 
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Evangelicals overdo the fear and brimstone preaching. It seems to me they seek to control by fear. God is mainly love yes justice is required by God is merciful.
The best preaching I’ve ever heard was from an Evangelical, Wesleyan by denomination. I was amazed and the depths of his scriptural knowledge and his gift for sharing it with others. I heard him preach 5 or 6 times, each time for about 45 minutes. I learned something every time and was inspired to be a better Christian by his message. No hellfire and brimstone - just the thoughtful message of a Christian man in love with God and his word.

To the topic - my pastor gives excellent homilies. When he first came to our parish, he gave such a beautiful homily on Confession that my older children, 5 and 6 at the time, were begging to go to Confession. I think he brings up Confession at least monthly in his preaching. He has a soft and gentle style, but has a way of really getting the essence of the gospel across. His homilies average 15-20 minutes.

His general approach is to make life in Christ so attractive that we long for it. He doesn’t preach on sin and hell so much. Instead, he preaches on heaven and virtue. He doesn’t shy away from tough subjects, he just focuses on truth and light and let us make our own conclusions. A visitor once remarked after a particularly moving homily that she had just listened to him preach about hell for 15 minutes by preaching about heaven.
 
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Or I could look up several catholic seminaries and compare to curriculum at some of the Protestant seminaries as I did before I posted. This information is freely available online.
 
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Or I could look up several catholic seminaries and compare to curriculum at some of the Protestant seminaries as I did before I posted. This information is freely available online.
Outstanding! Would you mind sharing the names of the seminaries, then?
 
Certainly, try comparing Concordia Seminary vs. St. Thomas Aquinas as an example. You will find that the Concordia system requires a minimum of 12 hours of exegetical coursework vs. 6 hours of exegetical coursework from St. Thomas Aquinas. The Concordia system requires a minimum of 12 hours of Biblical languages (to support exegetical coursework) whereas there is no such requirement at the RCC counterpart. You will also notes another 9 hours of practical theology to include Homiletics and Hermaneutical topics, and (the art and practice of preparing and delivering sermons and teaching scripture). I did not find a comparable requirement in the RCC coursework so you may take that with a grain of salt. Finally, both systems had a healthy emphasis on systematic theology (I am assuming dogmatics would be the RCC equivalent of systematic theology). Just as I said, there is a quantitative difference in the focus of coursework.
 
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Certainly, try comparing Concordia Seminary vs. St. Thomas Aquinas as an example. You will find that the Concordia system requires a minimum of 12 hours of exegetical coursework vs. 6 hours of exegetical coursework from St. Thomas Aquinas.
Ok. I’m seeing 9 hrs for the M.Div. program at Concordia. At Thomas Aquinas (we’re talking in Virginia, right?), I’m seeing the following:
(2 hrs) Intro to Sacred Scripture
(2 hrs) O.T. - Pentateuch
(2 hrs) Psalms & Prophets
(2 hrs) Gospels
(2 hrs) St. Paul
(2 hrs) Epistles / Apocalypse

So, I’m seeing 9 hrs at Concordia, and 12 hrs at Thomas Aquinas.
The Concordia system requires a minimum of 12 hours of Biblical languages (to support exegetical coursework) whereas there is no such requirement at the RCC counterpart.
You’re ignoring the mandatory 11 hours of Latin, then?
You will also notes another 9 hours of practical theology to include Homiletics and Hermaneutical topics, and (the art and practice of preparing and delivering sermons and teaching scripture). I did not find a comparable requirement in the RCC coursework so you may take that with a grain of salt.
I see a course in writing at Thomas Aquinas. Not sure whether that’s the homiletics course. I would have said that this is odd, given that the USCCB mandates coursework in homiletics, but then I noticed something interesting: St Thomas Aquinas is a seminary run by the SSPX. So, they aren’t run by the Catholic Church, per se.

Nevertheless, your assertions about a lack of rigorous study seem to fail here, even for an SSPX seminary. 🤷‍♂️
 
The quality of an average homily might indeed be a regional thing. Last time I was in Salt Lake City I was impressed at how good the homily was at the cathedral. And you don’t think of Utah as a solid Catholic place.
Our homilies at my church are about 15-20 minutes long. Same with most of the other Catholic parishes in my area, but there is one church that I know of (and go there occasionally), where the Pastor is quick and to the point. His homilies are 5 minutes or less.
 
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The Concordia system requires a minimum of 12 hours of Biblical languages (to support exegetical coursework) whereas there is no such requirement at the RCC counterpart.
You’re ignoring the mandatory 11 hours of Latin, then?
Latin isn’t a Biblical language.
 
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Priests and deacons are there to talk about scripture and how the readings apply to our daily lives.
We as parishioners are there to hear and accept what they have to say.
The words are our inspiration, not the people who are delivering the words.
My inspiration comes from the words.
 
My experience is quite different than yours… my priests constantly talk about sin and hell… not to mention the Pope’s many, many comments about evil, the devil and sin. I would argue that we should spend more time taking about what TO do and a little less time talking about what NOT to do.
 
About half of homilies are awful in my experience. The priest might as well get up and say, “I didn’t really prepare ahead of time,” and sit back down, and save us all some time.

That is the real issue. They don’t prepare ahead of time. According to a Pew Poll done on why Catholics attend Mass, Catholics by and large don’t think the quality of the preaching matters, so the preachers do not really prepare.
 
Half, seriously? Perhaps the problem is not the priest but those who don’t listen with open ears.
 
I’m being hyperbolic, obviously. But come on. You gotta admit there is a serious problem with the quality of preaching today.
 
Certainly, try comparing Concordia Seminary vs. St. Thomas Aquinas as an example. You will find that the Concordia system requires a minimum of 12 hours of exegetical coursework vs. 6 hours of exegetical coursework from St. Thomas Aquinas. The Concordia system requires a minimum of 12 hours of Biblical languages (to support exegetical coursework) whereas there is no such requirement at the RCC counterpart. You will also notes another 9 hours of practical theology to include Homiletics and Hermaneutical topics, and (the art and practice of preparing and delivering sermons and teaching scripture). I did not find a comparable requirement in the RCC coursework so you may take that with a grain of salt. Finally, both systems had a healthy emphasis on systematic theology (I am assuming dogmatics would be the RCC equivalent of systematic theology). Just as I said, there is a quantitative difference in the focus of coursework.
Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary (Protestant)
6 Credit hours Greek
6 Credit hours Hebrew
18 hours Scripture
3 Credit Hours Preaching
Total for Graduation: 98

Saints Cyril and Methodius Seminary:

18 Credit hours Scripture
8 Credit Hours Biblical Greek
4 Credit Hours Homiletics
Total: 108, plus 45 Formation hours

Then you have St. Patrick’s Seminary in Menlo Park, California.
21 Credit Hours of Scripture
7 Credit Hours of Homiletics
6 hours of Greek.
Total for Graduation: 118

St. Mary’s Seminary:
6 Credit Hours of Preaching/Homiletics
22.5 Credit Hours of Scripture
Total for Graduation: 122
Fuller Theological Seminary: 120 quarter units total (equivalent to 80 semester units)
Scripture: 24 quarter units
Greek: 4 quarter units
Hebrew: 4 quarter units
Preaching and Homiletics: 8 quarter units

Catholic seminaries tend to require more credit hours for graduation overall, which allows them to add required courses in Liturgy and other areas. Also, the Catholic seminaries tend to include pastoral experience, which includes preaching.
 
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That’s what I experience at my local parish (Ordinary Form only).
The whole Mass is becoming more and more “horizontal”. After the sermon I realize that the priest has only spoken about what will improve our lives here on earth.
He refers to Jesus as our Saviour but never a mention of what He saving us from!

Dominus tecum,
Reg.
 
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