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Daralharb
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@11:20 “Let us be Catholic”.
Uhhh, “let”? More like “We’re gonna do this, and you’re gonna have to jail, kill, or totally eradicate us you falsely-erudite imbecile”.
I’m reading Pope Leo XIII’s “Diuturnum” right now. It’s… well, I’ll write up some stuff later and post here on how utterly ridiculous the Fr. gets at 11:20.
“Let” us be Catholic. LOL. What a joke. More like “fight us on this and you fight Jesus Christ, YMMV”.
Uhhh, “let”? More like “We’re gonna do this, and you’re gonna have to jail, kill, or totally eradicate us you falsely-erudite imbecile”.
I’m reading Pope Leo XIII’s “Diuturnum” right now. It’s… well, I’ll write up some stuff later and post here on how utterly ridiculous the Fr. gets at 11:20.
“Let” us be Catholic. LOL. What a joke. More like “fight us on this and you fight Jesus Christ, YMMV”.
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I am not going to go to jail over Obamacare. It is Obama who needs to go to jail. He has broken the natural law.
Obama’s mouth is not the law. His pronouncements are null and void. His so-called laws are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, as Catholics we have the duty to disobey Obama. Natural law trumps civil law everytime!
Obama’s mouth is not the law. His pronouncements are null and void. His so-called laws are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, as Catholics we have the duty to disobey Obama. Natural law trumps civil law everytime!
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Daralharb
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If you stand your ground and Obamacare is deemed legal, or just outright foisted on us, you very much will face jail time.
That’s akin to “I ain’t getting burned at the stake for refusing to burn incense to Caesar in worship!”. Uh, what choice do you really have if you make your stand?
While Obama should be the one in jail over this- if it gets pushed through, and you push back and stand your ground, prepare for the reality of your decision.
I have prepared for it the best I can. The fruition of preparation shall be entirely in Jesus’ hands though.
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Obama is the abortion president. He is also a socialist, which is inconsistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church. I told many Catholics and other Christians that voting for Obama was a sin since he strongly supported abortion. I hope that all of the Christians who voted for Obama and other socialists finally “get it.”
The Catholic Encyclopedia’s entry on socialism is very interesting in this regard. Of course, the historical parts of the entry are incomplete, because it was written before WWI. But the discussion of the ways in which socialism is inconsistent with Catholicism remains applicable.
In sum, the Encyclopedia identifies the following respects in which socialism conflicts with Catholic teaching:
The Catholic Encyclopedia’s entry on socialism is very interesting in this regard. Of course, the historical parts of the entry are incomplete, because it was written before WWI. But the discussion of the ways in which socialism is inconsistent with Catholicism remains applicable.
In sum, the Encyclopedia identifies the following respects in which socialism conflicts with Catholic teaching:
- Socialism is materialistic. “Socialism appropriates all human desires and centers them on the here-and-now, on material benefit and prosperity. But material goods are so limited in quality, in quantity, and in duration that they are incapable of satisfying human desires, which will ever covet more and more and never feel satisfaction.”
- Socialism is deterministic. “Holding that society makes the individuals of which it is composed, and not vice versa, it has quite lost touch with the invigorating Christian doctrine of free will. … Any power which claims to appropriate and discipline [the individual’s] interior life, and which affords him sanctions that transcend all evolutionary and scientific determinism, must necessarily incur Socialist opposition.”
- Because of 2, socialism is hostile to the Church and the family. “Socialism, with its essentially materialistic nature, can admit no raison d’etre for a spiritual power, as complementary and superior to the secular power of the State. … The State was never meant to appropriate to itself the main parental duties, it was rather meant to provide the parents, especially poor parents, with a wider, freer, healthier family sphere in which to be properly parental.”
- Socialism conflicts with the natural law regarding private property. “If man, [according to Aquinas], has the right to own, control, and use private property, the State cannot give him this right or take it away; it can only protect it.”
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If socialism is “materialistic” what does that make capitalism, the mother of all socialism?
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Daralharb
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Please correctly define Capitalism outside of the definition of Joseph “20 million+” Stalin.If socialism is “materialistic” what does that make capitalism, the mother of all socialism?
The free-market where men can succeed, have a chance to pull each other up, etc is great.
Controlled-Capitalism, what we see in the Big Banks, is no different from Socialism in many regards. In fact, this bastardization of the free-market is what leads to the manufactured crisis which is then found a solution in Socialist systems.
Socialism is all about the material, whereas Capitalism is actually not.
Pertinent readings include, but are not limited to, Rerum Novarum and Quadrigesimo Anno.
- D. Q. McInerny, Ph.D., Professor of Philosophy, Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary, FSSP Jan 2012 Newsletter.
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I have no quarrel with the free market, it’s just not one of my articles of faith. Sometimes the successful help others rise and sometimes they don’t; some of the oil-producing nations of the third world are a great example. The economic systems that people live under, should not be oppressive or taken to extremes, other than that I don’t really have an opinion on which is better of worse. I was just struck by the comments on materialism in a socialist system.
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They’re both types of water. One is just stagnant, and the other tends to run.
However, when the mud from the stagnant pond gets thrown into the river that is now dammed up, well, we have an issue.
However, when the mud from the stagnant pond gets thrown into the river that is now dammed up, well, we have an issue.
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What did Adam Smith have to say about the “invisible hand?” “An individual who intends only his own gain is led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention (serving his fellow man).”If socialism is “materialistic” what does that make capitalism, the mother of all socialism?
Adam Smith said that economic growth is the product of five things. Name them.
- Private property
- Free markets
- Limited civil government
- Accumulation of capital
- An increase in the division of labor
What did Milton Friedman have to say about economic freedom and political freedom? “Economic freedom is a requirement for political freedom. Economic freedom enables people to cooperate with one another without coercion or central direction. Economic Freedom reduces the area over which political power is exercised.”
The difference between a command economy and a market economy is incentives.
According to Adam Smith and Thomas Jefferson, Government’s role is an umpire, not a participant.
Adam Smith and Thomas Jefferson saw concentrated government power as a great danger to the ordinary man. Three documents that support this view.
- Virginia Declaration of Rights – 1776
- U.S. Bill of Rights – 1791
- Separation of Powers (Executive, Legislative and Judicial)
What is the theory of Bureaucratic Displacement, as proposed by Dr. Max Gammon? “In a bureaucratic system an increase in expenditure will be matched by a fall in production. Such systems will act rather like ‘black holes’ in the economic universe, simultaneously sucking in resources, and shrinking in terms of ‘emitted’ production.”
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Thank you ACCT for posting the under 12 minute homily from the Catholic Priest. And thank you for an excellent short summary of Socialism.
Some thoughts:
Yard by yard it may be hard, but inch by inch it is a cinch.
If you wish to fell a gaint Redwood tree with an ax, one mighty swing will not do it. But with enough whacks the gaint will eventually fall.
I prefer to believe that most Americans would NOT vote a clear move from a reasonably regulated Capitalist society to a clearly Socialist society in one vote.
But, when we review the 1,000s of votes in Congress over the past 45 years since “The Great Society” began and then add in what the current President has done and wants to do if re-elected, we do have reason to fear that our gaint Redwood has taken too many whacks and is about to fall.
The “I prefer to believe” statement implies I cannot be sure. Why, in a “Great Society” do we have a 25% high school drop out rate? OK, we do have about 25% of Americans with a 4 year college degree, but how many high schools or colleges teach the background to the US Constitution? Do they teach the “Federalist Papers” any more? A family member is taking US History to the Civil War at college this semester and the Federalist Papers are not in the course. It seems to me that more than 1/2 of Americans no longer comprehend the US Constitution but vote for whomever seems to the one that will give them what they want.
Why did 54% of voting Catholics vote for Mr. Obama in 2008? Why do about 50% of Catholics today agree with the HHS Manadate?
In hardball politics they count the votes. It is “Can we win the vote?” Very few in the media talk about the danger of slipping into Socialism on the votes of poorly educated Americans.
So thank you ACCT for posting important information we need to understand and do our best to persuade our contacts about what is really going on so they can vote to prevent the final whacks that will forever degrade America.
Some thoughts:
Yard by yard it may be hard, but inch by inch it is a cinch.
If you wish to fell a gaint Redwood tree with an ax, one mighty swing will not do it. But with enough whacks the gaint will eventually fall.
I prefer to believe that most Americans would NOT vote a clear move from a reasonably regulated Capitalist society to a clearly Socialist society in one vote.
But, when we review the 1,000s of votes in Congress over the past 45 years since “The Great Society” began and then add in what the current President has done and wants to do if re-elected, we do have reason to fear that our gaint Redwood has taken too many whacks and is about to fall.
The “I prefer to believe” statement implies I cannot be sure. Why, in a “Great Society” do we have a 25% high school drop out rate? OK, we do have about 25% of Americans with a 4 year college degree, but how many high schools or colleges teach the background to the US Constitution? Do they teach the “Federalist Papers” any more? A family member is taking US History to the Civil War at college this semester and the Federalist Papers are not in the course. It seems to me that more than 1/2 of Americans no longer comprehend the US Constitution but vote for whomever seems to the one that will give them what they want.
Why did 54% of voting Catholics vote for Mr. Obama in 2008? Why do about 50% of Catholics today agree with the HHS Manadate?
In hardball politics they count the votes. It is “Can we win the vote?” Very few in the media talk about the danger of slipping into Socialism on the votes of poorly educated Americans.
So thank you ACCT for posting important information we need to understand and do our best to persuade our contacts about what is really going on so they can vote to prevent the final whacks that will forever degrade America.
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Thank you for the compliment.
Here is a quote from Bishop Sheen on politics:
“Our Constitution puts politics under theology, democracy under God. But today, politics denies its divine foundation. Politics is today the supreme and absolute science. We once lived in the age of the Theological Man; then cam the age of the Economic Man; now we are in the age of the Political Man. The Theological Man lived for God; the Economic Man lived for profit; the Political Man lives for the State…So important has politics become, that now men judge religion by its attitude toward politics, rather than politics by its attitude toward religion.”
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Bureaucracy
“The growth of the bureaucracy, reinforced by the changing role of the courts, has made a mockery of the ideal expressed by John Adams in his original (1779) draft of the Massachusetts constitution: ‘a government of laws instead of men.’ Anyone who has been subjected to a thorough customs inspection on returning from a trip abroad, had his tax returns audited by the IRS, been subject to inspection by an official of OSHA or any of a large number of federal agencies, had occasion to appeal to the bureaucracy for a ruling or a permit, or had to defend a higher price or wage before the Council on Wage and Price Stability is aware of how far we have come from a rule of law. The government official is supposed to be our servant. When you sit across the desk from a representative of the Internal Revenue Service who is auditing your tax return, which one of you is the master and which the servant (Friedman)?”
References
Friedman, M., & Friedman, R. D. (1990). Free to Choose. New York: Harcourt, Inc.
Milton Friedman wrote the above in the 1970’s. Today Obama’s mouth is the law. We are a government of men, not the rule of law. Man is in the same position today as he was before the Magna Carter when King John’s mouth was the law.
“The growth of the bureaucracy, reinforced by the changing role of the courts, has made a mockery of the ideal expressed by John Adams in his original (1779) draft of the Massachusetts constitution: ‘a government of laws instead of men.’ Anyone who has been subjected to a thorough customs inspection on returning from a trip abroad, had his tax returns audited by the IRS, been subject to inspection by an official of OSHA or any of a large number of federal agencies, had occasion to appeal to the bureaucracy for a ruling or a permit, or had to defend a higher price or wage before the Council on Wage and Price Stability is aware of how far we have come from a rule of law. The government official is supposed to be our servant. When you sit across the desk from a representative of the Internal Revenue Service who is auditing your tax return, which one of you is the master and which the servant (Friedman)?”
References
Friedman, M., & Friedman, R. D. (1990). Free to Choose. New York: Harcourt, Inc.
Milton Friedman wrote the above in the 1970’s. Today Obama’s mouth is the law. We are a government of men, not the rule of law. Man is in the same position today as he was before the Magna Carter when King John’s mouth was the law.
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Government welfare creates special interests such as the “fat cats” that many of you abhor. Mix your good intentions of helping the poor through government welfare and you end up with a result that you never intended, special interests. You should not be surprised at the end result! Government employees are not public servants; they do not drop their self-interests at the door of government service.
Incentive is the key difference between capitalism (private ownership of resources) and socialism (state ownership of resources). Private ownership boosts incentive, while public ownership retards it.
If you truly are going to help poor people, you are going to have to understand incentives and the true consequences of your actions. You will also have to understand the accounting concept of internal control. You may be hurting poor people more than you are helping them.
When I was in India I did not give money to women with babies because I would be encouraging women to steal babies in order to get money. I did not give money to mutilated children because I would be encouraging parents to mutilate their children in order to get more money. However, I would buy food for the hungry and I would watch them eat it.
I follow the same procedure for the homeless in this country. I do not give anyone money. However, I do buy them food and I watch them eat it. If these people curse me, then I know that they were not hungry. They just wanted money for other purposes.
As an individual I have internal control. The government does not have internal control. We have spent vast sums of money since the 1930s on government welfare, all to no avail. You have to ask yourself why before you advocate more of the same.
Additionally, government welfare is not charity from a Christian viewpoint.
Incentive is the key difference between capitalism (private ownership of resources) and socialism (state ownership of resources). Private ownership boosts incentive, while public ownership retards it.
If you truly are going to help poor people, you are going to have to understand incentives and the true consequences of your actions. You will also have to understand the accounting concept of internal control. You may be hurting poor people more than you are helping them.
When I was in India I did not give money to women with babies because I would be encouraging women to steal babies in order to get money. I did not give money to mutilated children because I would be encouraging parents to mutilate their children in order to get more money. However, I would buy food for the hungry and I would watch them eat it.
I follow the same procedure for the homeless in this country. I do not give anyone money. However, I do buy them food and I watch them eat it. If these people curse me, then I know that they were not hungry. They just wanted money for other purposes.
As an individual I have internal control. The government does not have internal control. We have spent vast sums of money since the 1930s on government welfare, all to no avail. You have to ask yourself why before you advocate more of the same.
Additionally, government welfare is not charity from a Christian viewpoint.
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Thank you for the compliment. Unfortunately, we are too late. Evil is having its way. Omamacare is just another case of Satan showing his shameful face. Satan is ready to take over the world. Mary says that we can do nothing against evil individually. However, with Jesus everything is possible and with Jesus we can destroy evil. Mary also says our world (without Jesus) is falling apart. Everything is passing!
The world will go through the 10 chastisements. The only thing left in this world will be the glory of God!
We must pray for Mary’s peace plan. I do not think that we will change this evil culture. However, I do think that this culture will cease to exist. God has a long history of purifying us and destroying what He cannot purify. The great battle between Satan and Jesus is at its climax. Confess your sins and ask Mary to protect you under her mantle.
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This is not meant to be insulting, but what on earth are you people on about?
Obama isn’t Socialist. He would not even be recognised as left-leaning in most civilised countries.
Obama isn’t Socialist. He would not even be recognised as left-leaning in most civilised countries.
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I guess that depends on how you define socialism. By every definition we have a socialist government. Read the definitions that I posted below. Read the socialist platform of the 1920s and read the Democrat platfom today. Both platforms look the same to me.
The Catholic Encyclopedia’s entry on socialism is very interesting. Of course, the historical parts of the entry are incomplete, because it was written before WWI. But the discussion of the ways in which socialism is inconsistent with Catholicism remains applicable.
In sum, the Encyclopedia identifies the following respects in which socialism conflicts with Catholic teaching:
- Socialism is materialistic. “Socialism appropriates all human desires and centres them on the here-and-now, on material benefit and prosperity. But material goods are so limited in quality, in quantity, and in duration that they are incapable of satisfying human desires, which will ever covet more and more and never feel satisfaction.”
- Socialism is deterministic. “Holding that society makes the individuals of which it is composed, and not vice versa, it has quite lost touch with the invigorating Christian doctrine of free will. … Any power which claims to appropriate and discipline [the individual’s] interior life, and which affords him sanctions that transcend all evolutionary and scientific determinism, must necessarily incur Socialist opposition.”
- Because of 2, socialism is hostile to the Church and the family. “Socialism, with its essentially materialistic nature, can admit no raison d’etre for a spiritual power, as complementary and superior to the secular power of the State. … The State was never meant to appropriate to itself the main parental duties, it was rather meant to provide the parents, especially poor parents, with a wider, freer, healthier family sphere in which to be properly parental.”
- Socialism conflicts with the natural law regarding private property. “If man, [according to Aquinas], has the right to own, control, and use private property, the State cannot give him this right or take it away; it can only protect it.”
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Nicko
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Socialism is workers’ control over the means of production.
You do not have anything even approaching socialism in the US.
You do not have anything even approaching socialism in the US.
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BlindManWalking
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According to that definition, then neither does any other socialist country.
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