Homily on sexual morality

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CilladeRoma said:
We are talking about a priest who has not taken even a minute to get to know anyone.

He has been in our parish for exactly 9 weeks.
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Now you know where he spends every minute?
CilladeRoma said:
Our previous Partor was a very holy, orthodox priest.
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As opposed to the new pastor?
CilladeRoma said:
It is a very difficult situation, and one that I hope many of you never find yourself in.
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And many here have told you their parishes have gone through this.

Here are a few things some pastors in my city have allowed within the past few years:

Hosted Womenpriest ordination.
Decided he was gay and moved out of the rectory so he could have his privacy (moved into a loft with his boyfriend).
Decided that he didnā€™t need to listen to the bishop and began giving communion to divorced and remarried couples, gay couples, etc.

At the time, the parishioners were all behind their pastors. But of course, they soon went into schism and the original parishioners were left wondering how things got so out of hand.
 
You are correct. It is not that we donā€™t think he has the ā€œrightā€, we just wish he would have gotten to know us as a parish before he started to make drastic changes.
 
I love how you cherry pick what you want to quote.

How can anyone get to know anything about a parish in less than 9 weeks?

As I have said, more than once, this is not a case of a wacky, liberal parish who wants to do things its own way.

We have all the bells & smells, long confession lines, a vibrant Faith formation program, and a wonderful community of believers who have been through a lot together, including Pastor changes.

What we have now, or at least what the perception is, is a priest who doesnā€™t care about his parish, and only cares that his needs and wants are being met. Is it true? I canā€™t say for certain, but that is the perception I have also, based on my experience and my conversations with said priest.
 
ChunkMonk said:
No, I have absolutely zero familiarity with it except for having it cited to me on this forum. I know it by name.
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You have zero familiarity with Saint Benedict?

Then why do you present yourself on a Catholic forum as having a connection to monastic life? That is grotesqueā€¦to represent yourself as a monk when you are not.
 
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Don_Ruggero said:
You have zero familiarity with Saint Benedict?

Then why do you present yourself on a Catholic forum as having a connection to monastic life? That is grotesque.
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I never cease to be amazed at the lack of humility I witness on these forums. You would think it would be the rationalists answers forums.
 
It might be a cultural thing. QuƩbƩcois got their share of fire and brimstone pre-Council, due to a peculiar and toxic mix of clericalism and Jansenism in the pre-Conciliar QuƩbec Church. There was a huge backlash against it here. Many people bolted from the Church after the Quiet Revolution which coincided with the timing of Vatican II.

Horror stories like women being refused absolution if they werenā€™t pregnant or nursing, unless unmarried, widowed or past the age.

I know many people who refuse to have anything to do with the Church as a result. The sad thing is we lost an entire generation, and as a result became a largely unchurched society. Fire and brimstone has a lot to answer for in Quebec.
 
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CilladeRoma said:
I did not leave it out. It is further up thread. If the commenter was able to comment about it- he knew.

And no, he is not going to make weekly rounds, as has been the custom for many years.

The homebound were told that they would be scheduled for a visit once a month and it would not be on the weekend.

Spouses, except in extreme situations, will no longer be able to bring Communion home to their homebound spouse (or same for adult caregivers), all of who were duly trained.

I have been a part of this ministry at this parish for the past 4 years. As I have said, it is one of the best-trained groups Iā€™ve worked with. Which is all part of the problem-

new young priest, coming in with idea and changes, without taking any time to get to know his flock.

We are not some goofy, ultra-liberal parish, who wants things done our way.

We want the same respect that many here say we owe this priest.

Many of the parishioners have been there 20 years or more, and have been through good leaders & bad. When a seasoned veteran of Chruch politics & long-time parishioner comes to you, hat in hand and dejected because he can no longer bring his home-bound wife communion, because of a new priestā€™s whims & desires, what do you say? I can only imagine the responses he would get from some of you.

All I can say is- shameful!.
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My advice to you is evolving as more and more comes out.

This is a matter that should go to both the Vicar General and the Office of Worship for your diocese.

We are so fortunate today that we have possibilities for pastoral care that were not available in earlier times.

To reduce the homebound to receiving the sacraments in the way you are describing is simply unconscionable.
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When a seasoned veteran of Chruch politics & long-time parishioner comes to you, hat in hand and dejected because he can no longer bring his home-bound wife communion, because of a new priestā€™s whims & desires, what do you say?
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He should explain to the Vicar General ā€“ or even the Bishop himself ā€“ how he and his wife have been harmed by this priest, assigned as an Administrator of this parish, by his actions which are out of line with contemporary pastoral practice.

This priest is in need of re-education on the possibilities of pastoral care to the sick and dying in the 21st century ā€“ and not trying to use practice that belong left behind in the 19th century.
 
babochka said:
I think this is so beautiful. Pope Francis (and others before him) speaks so much about accompaniment. We need to remember that this is how we bring people to Christ.
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Indeed, @OraLaboraā€™s words are well said. As is your reference to Pope Francis and accompaniment. Pope Francis is a great gift to the Church, especially at this moment in the Churchā€™s history.
 
@Don_Ruggero
Thank you so much for all of your wisdom.
I grateful for it and you seeing the pastoral side of this issue.
I did not intend to throw this poor priest under the bus. I am just concerned for my friends and their pastoral care needs. I pray for this and all priests & Bishops daily.
 
I always thought, given the Aussie penchance for shortening names,
Chunk monk you had shortened from chunky monkey. Hmm
 
CilladeRoma said:
And we all still plan to do that. Never said we were going to stop visiting.

What is sad is that people who are used to being able to be part of the community, by receiving communion from their home parish visitors, on a weekly basis are no longer going to get that grace.

Anyway you cut it- that is very sad to me.
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And it should be a cause of concern to the Bishop as well.

Honestly, with young priests, the Bishop and his curia can only predict how such a priest will handle the responsibilities of being a parish priest. It is one of the reasons that a Bishop will nominate as administratorā€¦to facilitate removing him, if need be.

The Chancery needs to be advised of the types of situation you are describing because it is extremely problematic.
 
Might be the case. I have heard from several people that the priests in Quebec are tough.
On the other side of the Great Lakes it has been rather a different matter in my lifetime. Once the older priests and nuns began to retire or die off, sin went the way of Marian devotionsā€¦something for the old fogeys.
 
What you mean is, he didnā€™t sufficiently convince a select group that he was interested in simply maintaining what they had become accustomed to doing.
 
ā€œExtremely problematicā€? How so, exactly?

What has this young priest done that deserves such strong language?
 
Nothing the original poster posted regarding this priest is in violation of Church teaching.
 
CilladeRoma said:
@Don_Ruggero

Thank you so much for all of your wisdom.

I grateful for it and you seeing the pastoral side of this issue.

I did not intend to throw this poor priest under the bus. I am just concerned for my friends and their pastoral care needs
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Youā€™re welcome.

I hope you and the others will initiate a dialogue with the dioceseā€™s chancery, without further delay.
 
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Correctā€¦which is why it would be prudent for online posters not to say that what he did was wrong.
 
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