homophobia?

[traillius]

I am what people would consider homophobic, especially towards males. It has to do, I am pretty sure, with my childhood sexual abuse, both incidents by males While I won’t attack, I will get extremly and visibly upset, and attempt to leave or get away from the source asap. I don’t blame them, I just cannot handle open displays of homosexual acts by males. It hits too close to home.

 

[Alexander_Smith]

I am what people would consider homophobic, especially towards males. It has to do, I am pretty sure, with my childhood sexual abuse, both incidents by males While I won’t attack, I will get extremly and visibly upset, and attempt to leave or get away from the source asap. I don’t blame them, I just cannot handle open displays of homosexual acts by males. It hits too close to home.

Well, while I am not “scared” of homosexual displays, they definitely repulse me. Homosexuality is unnatural, and unnatural things should disturb us.

 

[traillius]

my repulsion, which leads to actual fear, goes beyond moral objections, though I have them as well. Its a literal trigger of memory of two males literally forcing same sex acts upon me. So in addition to repulsion of the unnatural nature of such acts, it literally causes fear in me, as a reminder of what happened.

 

[Alexander_Smith]

my repulsion, which leads to actual fear, goes beyond moral objections, though I have them as well. Its a literal trigger of memory of two males literally forcing same sex acts upon me. So in addition to repulsion of the unnatural nature of such acts, it literally causes fear in me, as a reminder of what happened.

I understand. Have you talked to a counselor (specifically a Catholic one) or someone who could help you overcome such reactions?

 

[traillius]

I am in therapy, but I may be changing therapists. This will take a long time.

 

[colmcille1]

I am in therapy, but I may be changing therapists. This will take a long time.

Hi traillius,
You are not alone on your journey of healing, my friend.
Keep posting, we are all of us broken, and on the same journey via different paths.
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[Joe_5859]

I think what you describe is a natural psychological response in light of your tragic experience. I would not classify that as “homophobia,” at least, not by the popular culture’s definition of homophobia.

 

[JohnDamian]

Anyone who would not understand your aversion is worth avoiding anyway.

Don’t be pressured into accepting immoral things because of fear of being labled.

 

[illmatic]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

 

[traillius]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

I can’t speak for others, but it seems my position was misunderstood. Neither of my perps were gay, or are, to my knowledge. But the acts were between two males, regardless of orientation. So its not a judgement on moral grounds. Its a psychological trigger for me because of memory of two same sex events, whether based on sexuality or power is irrelevent. I was the less willing party both times. The acts themselves are the problem, not the people. Again, only for me. And not judgement or discrimination, but psychological fear of the actions.

 

[Barbkw]

Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex.

That is an incredibly wrong statement.

The Church does not teach that homosexual sex and heterosexual sex (outside of marriage) are on par with one another.

All sex acts outside of marriage are mortal sins, period.

However, noncelibate same sex attracted acts “homosexual acts” are also disordered and intinsically evil.

 

[Barbkw]

If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

Due to the actions of their priests, Catholics have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviors and morals of adult male homosexuals.

You may call that homophobia. I do not.

I call it prudent use of gained knowledge to form a basis for future protective action.

 

[illmatic]

Due to the actions of their priests, Catholics have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviors and morals of adult male homosexuals.

You may call that homophobia. I do not.

I call it prudent use of gained knowledge to form a basis for future protective action.

Your logic leads to hate, not love:

Due to the actions of their priests, Catholics have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of adult male heterosexuals.

Due to the actions of various terrorist groups, people have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of people from most all countries in the middle east and of most all religions.

Due to the actions of various professed Catholics, people have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of Catholics.

Due to the actions of certain women politicians, people have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of women politicians.

and so on…

You can use your argument to shape a justification for suspiciousness of everyone. I don’t think its valid. I think, yes, there is plenty of reason why you can be suspicious of EVERYBODY. But I think that you shouldn’t discriminate by group, because the logic doesn’t hold up.

 

[illmatic]

That is an incredibly wrong statement.

The Church does not teach that homosexual sex and heterosexual sex (outside of marriage) are on par with one another.

All sex acts outside of marriage are mortal sins, period.

However, noncelibate same sex attracted acts “homosexual acts” are also disordered and intinsically evil.

The last sentence of your post is promoted by the Vatican as guidance to those who are homosexual, not as guidelines for the judgement of homosexuals. I am pretty sure that all sin is considered equal.

 

[Corki]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

Way off base here!

First of all, the OP is NOT sinning to avoid situations that cause him psychological distress.

Second, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is NOT that it is “on a direct par” with heterosexual promiscuous sex". According to the Church, homosexual acts are acts of “grave depravity”. Heterosexual unmarried sex is objectively sinful but not it isn’t acts of grave depravity.

Third, the Church’s teaching do indeed serve as a guide of who to “approve of” as they give us a standard againts which to judge behaviors of ourselves and others. Loving our neighbors does not mean we have to like them all or approve of all they do.

Lastly, the Church teaches that those who suffer from homosexuality are to be treated with compassion and sensitivity and that unjust discrimination is to be avoided. That doesn’t mean we treat homosexuls, especially those who are publically displaying their orientation, the same as anyone else. Most discrimination is NOT unjust. Discrimination is simply chosing the better path based on the current situation.

 

[Alexander_Smith]

Way off base here!

First of all, the OP is NOT sinning to avoid situations that cause him psychological distress.

Second, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is NOT that it is “on a direct par” with heterosexual promiscuous sex". According to the Church, homosexual acts are acts of “grave depravity”. Heterosexual unmarried sex is objectively sinful but not it isn’t acts of grave depravity.

Third, the Church’s teaching do indeed serve as a guide of who to “approve of” as they give us a standard againts which to judge behaviors of ourselves and others. Loving our neighbors does not mean we have to like them all or approve of all they do.

Lastly, the Church teaches that those who suffer from homosexuality are to be treated with compassion and sensitivity and that unjust discrimination is to be avoided. That doesn’t mean we treat homosexuls, especially those who are publically displaying their orientation, the same as anyone else. Most discrimination is NOT unjust. Discrimination is simply chosing the better path based on the current situation.

Bingo. Thank you (and the other poster who said a similar thing) for your post.

The OP should not feel as if he is discriminating (in a bad way) or doing any wrong to homosexuals by his reaction. We should react with disgust at open displays of homosexual behavior.

 

[bingbang]

my repulsion, which leads to actual fear, goes beyond moral objections, though I have them as well. Its a literal trigger of memory of two males literally forcing same sex acts upon me. So in addition to repulsion of the unnatural nature of such acts, it literally causes fear in me, as a reminder of what happened.

You should probably get some therapy for this. I don’t really think that is normal.

 

[traillius]

Your logic leads to hate, not love:

Due to the actions of their priests, Catholics have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of adult male heterosexuals.

Due to the actions of various terrorist groups, people have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of people from most all countries in the middle east and of most all religions.

Due to the actions of various professed Catholics, people have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of Catholics.

Due to the actions of certain women politicians, people have reason in our generation to be suspicious of the behaviours and morals of women politicians.

and so on…

One of two things, Either this person missed or is ignoring my point, thus he or she has hijacked my thread,

Or this person believes that my fear of triggered memories of acts between two males is irrelevent, and that the ‘rights’ of homosexuals trump my right to feel safe, and to heal.

I really hope its the former, because the latter is sinful, judgemental, and downright apathetic to not only me, but hundreds of thousands ( millions? ) of others who go through similar events, and just want to heal. Part of healing is dealing with triggers. Or in my case trying to resist the urge to run screaming from the room, upon that trigger of sexual acts between two males. Not on account of the acts themselves, but because of the memories I still am struggling with.

You can use your argument to shape a justification for suspiciousness of everyone. I don’t think its valid. I think, yes, there is plenty of reason why you can be suspicious of EVERYBODY. But I think that you shouldn’t discriminate by group, because the logic doesn’t hold up.

 

[traillius]

You should probably get some therapy for this. I don’t really think that is normal.

I am in therapy. It may not be normal. Buts its certainly infinitely closer to normal than what was done to me, and what I forced to do. reasonable people can disagree. But if anyone is judging me, its clear they have no idea whatsoever about what I and many others are going through. I am glad in a way, because they have escaped the pain and fear. But its sad for them when they think they know, but actually don’t.

 

[Barbkw]

Bingbang,

Please, you aren’t Catholic and are militantly pro homosexual in all of its forms.

You never have a word of caution about homosexual acts or the lifestyle.

Not even about the diseases homosexual acts spread.

Your behavior concerning homosexuality is irresponsible and morally repugnant.