homophobia?

[mangy_dog]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

Blah, blah, blah,

The actualization of homosexual acts along with fornication and adultery is wrong and is evil.

The New Age term “homophobia” is the latest attempt at insulating the sins of the flesh from denouncement…which is what we are called to do. Judgement - we are not called to do. But denouncement - yes.

Is that secular enough for you?

 

[traillius]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I think your insensitivity makes me want to say some things wholely inappropriate to this forum, and catholic teaching
I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.Being terrified of reminders of Unimaginable ( Don’t say its not, cause if you think so, you have complete ignorance) trauma is not disapproval of someone els’s action, its a part of healing
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

Dealing with trauma has a place in humanity, especially when it comes to healing from trauma that is beyond belief, except that it has happened, thus must be believed.

 

[rossum]

Anyone who would not understand your aversion is worth avoiding anyway.

Don’t be pressured into accepting immoral things because of fear of being labled.

It has nothing to do with immorality. When I was a child I was very badly frightened by a large dog. Ever since then I have been extremely wary of large dogs. It has nothing to do with morality and more to do with one’s personal history.

rossum

 

[RobHom]

Dealing with trauma has a place in humanity, especially when it comes to healing from trauma that is beyond belief, except that it has happened, thus must be believed.

My friend, given that all you have said is the truth, I can only surmise that you have suffered a grievous trauma, even to the point that it could fall under the category of “Post Traumatic Stress Disorder”. Please note that it is not necessary to suffer extreme stress trauma in combat…it can also be triggered by many other situations.

Given that you have suffered the trauma of the assault and incident, your reactions to any scenario or situation that is similar is “perfectly normal”. If you did not experience stress or anxiety would be an even greater cause for concern.

What you may be experiencing more so than what you perceive to be “homophobia” is what can be called a “flight or fight” reaction. Its perfectly normal…

By definition, PTSD always follows a traumatic event which causes intense fear and/or helplessness in an individual. Typically the symptoms develop shortly after the event, but may take years. The duration for symptoms is at least one month for this diagnosis.’

The following is an excerpt from:

associatedcontent.com/article/5746222/ptsd_diagnosed_for_noncombat_posttraumatic.html

PTSD occurs in incidents of abuse, violence, sexual abuse, kidnapping, rape, but also experiences like severe storms, cataclysmic weather conditions, earthquake, flood, intense physical pain and injury, death of loved one and other experiences of danger and shock. I was surprised when speaking with a clinical psychologist about some emotional issues that I was experiencing, that he suggested PTSD. I have experienced traumatic nightmares for years. I have struggled with chronic anxiety and nervous complaints for years. When we explored further some events in my life, he confirmed his diagnosis of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Please do not think that you are wrong. Please do continue with counseling. I would like to reiterate, your reactions to what happened you are normal. The burden that you have to carry is immense and there is no magic bullet for it…but my friend, time has a way of healing our psychological and spiritual wounds…as long as we stand up and reach and ask for help…which it appears that you have already done. I’m also going to send you a PM.

I will remember you in my prayers.

 

[Barbkw]

A dog biting you, isn’t immoral.

Two male attackers sexually abusing a person, is immoral and criminal.

 

[raaucoin]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!! Pleasse tell me you didn’t read the OP’s original post.

 

[raaucoin]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!? PLease tell me you didn’t read the OP’s entire post.

Traillius,
I keep you in my prayers as your sister in recovery.

 

[John21652]

If you are posting here saying that you find homosexuality disgusting or disturbing, I seriously suggest that you get reading, get praying, get thinking and realign your perceptions. While the Church does teach that homosexual sex acts are a sin, that does not give you free reign to make the jump to any form of discrimination to people who are that way inclined. Firstly, the Church’s teachings are not a guide to who it is okay to dislike and who is it good to approve of. Secondly, the Church’s view on homosexual sex is that it is on a direct par with heterosexual promiscuous sex. If you do not find a straight couple kissing in the street disturbing (and note that you do not know what kind of relationship this couple have - they could well be abstaining for all you know), then it is wrong to disapprove of a gay couple doing it.
If you insist on discriminating anyway, I would say two things to you: one, you are sinning by discriminating. Two, please don’t try to justify your discrimination/hatred by correlating it to the Church and trying to present your individual bias as a moralistic standpoint. Homophobia has no place in Christianity. Hatred has no place in Christianity.

Homosexuality is, to me as man, disgusting and disturbing. It is not a natural inclination for a man. Homosexual acts are, according to the Bible, an abomination and inherently evil. It is disordered, unnatural and a perversion of how and why the human body was designed. As for discriminating against homosexuals, it depends what form that discrimination takes. To go around persecuting them is obviously another moral wrong, but to pick and choose ones friends according to their sexual orientation is not wrong. It is called discernment and a part of human nature. Or, should I say, normal human nature. No matter what the new age egalitarianism might try and teach us, discrimination is not morally wrong. It has been accepted for millenia that the discriminating man is a mature and wise man. Discrimination should be practised as discernment and taught to our children. We discriminate when we choose our food, when we choose a marriage partner and when we choose what practices to like and dislike. I, for one, discriminate against those who swear liberally. Likewise, I discriminate against those whose sexual practices are unnatural and abhorrent to me. That does not mean I hate them. On the contrary, I pity them. The term homophobia is an epithet done to death by the homosexual lobby in attempts to get the rest of us to accept their practices as normal. Its use says more about those who fling the epithet at us than it does about us. We do not fear them, we fear for them.

 

[tafan]

The last sentence of your post is promoted by the Vatican as guidance to those who are homosexual, not as guidelines for the judgement of homosexuals. I am pretty sure that all sin is considered equal.

All sins, even if mortal, are not considered equal by the church.

 

[Newbie2]

Methinks there are two issues here:

1. That of the OP’s history and reaction to homosexual display

and

1. “Homophobia” in general

In response to #1, agreed, therapy is the way to go.

For #2, allow me to pose this question:

What exactly is wrong with homophobia? Should we not as Catholics be repulsed by homosexual behavior, as we should be with any other sin? Fornicophobia. Pedophilophobia. Murderophobia. etc.

Sure, we get slapped with the homophobic label all the time. Big deal. Wear it like a badge of honor.

 

[Light1111]

I am so terribly sorry to hear that you have suffered as you have. I will pray for you if I have your permission. No one deserves to continue through life with those wounds. It’s just so sad to think you had to live through this.

Certainly homosexuals remind you of what you endured. But try to remember – what you went through was not consensual, nor were you of an age where you ought to have been experiencing sexuality of any kind – with a woman, or a man. You were violated; a violent act was committed at your expense. Not a sexual one. A pedophile is a violent offender, and the violent offense takes the form of sexual abuse. But it is not similar to the consensual sex that exists between two adults (male or female, straight or gay).

Homosexuals are (typically) consenting adults, and if they choose to be together (whether or not that is in keeping with Church doctrine), they are not hurting one another in the same way you were hurt, as a child. A man may well have been the one who hurt you, but he was not behaving from out of his sexuality – rather, from out of his own traumatized self, who diverged from the self he was born with (that God gave him). You are the strong one, who is not acting out the horrors you endured – and that is a your strength. Again, with your permission I will pray for your healing and sense of internal peace. And I am so terribly sorry for the suffering you have endured.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Lastly, the Church teaches that those who suffer from homosexuality are to be treated with compassion and sensitivity and that unjust discrimination is to be avoided. That doesn’t mean we treat homosexuls, especially those who are publically displaying their orientation, the same as anyone else. Most discrimination is NOT unjust. Discrimination is simply chosing the better path based on the current situation.

Translation: Homosexual persons are INFERIOR to heterosexual persons and are to be consigned to the bilge of the Barq of Peter where they can be forgotten and never seen.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Homosexuality is, to me as man, disgusting and disturbing. It is not a natural inclination for a man. Homosexual acts are, according to the Bible, an abomination and inherently evil. It is disordered, unnatural and a perversion of how and why the human body was designed. As for discriminating against homosexuals, it depends what form that discrimination takes. To go around persecuting them is obviously another moral wrong, but to pick and choose ones friends according to their sexual orientation is not wrong. It is called discernment and a part of human nature. Or, should I say, normal human nature. No matter what the new age egalitarianism might try and teach us, discrimination is not morally wrong. It has been accepted for millenia that the discriminating man is a mature and wise man. Discrimination should be practised as discernment and taught to our children. We discriminate when we choose our food, when we choose a marriage partner and when we choose what practices to like and dislike. I, for one, discriminate against those who swear liberally. Likewise, I discriminate against those whose sexual practices are unnatural and abhorrent to me. That does not mean I hate them. On the contrary, I pity them. The term homophobia is an epithet done to death by the homosexual lobby in attempts to get the rest of us to accept their practices as normal. Its use says more about those who fling the epithet at us than it does about us. We do not fear them, we fear for them.

This has to be one of the best examples of typical Catholic thinking towards people with same-sex attractions:

“We don’t HATE them, we just think we’re BETTER than THEY are and think they should be treated with disdain, disrespect and looked down upon by their BETTERS. It’s just that all homosexual persons are INFERIOR and there’s NO PLACE for them in the Church.”

 

[LCMS_No_More]

I am in therapy. It may not be normal. Buts its certainly infinitely closer to normal than what was done to me, and what I forced to do. reasonable people can disagree. But if anyone is judging me, its clear they have no idea whatsoever about what I and many others are going through. I am glad in a way, because they have escaped the pain and fear. But its sad for them when they think they know, but actually don’t.

I’m one of those wicked, evil, inferior, sub-human homos and I am terribly sorry for what was foisted upon you. My best friend suffered something similar at the hands of one of his uncles and cousins, so while I can’t relate directly, I have some small understanding of what you’ve suffered.

Please understand that most of us who are cursed with homosexuality, the inferior, sub-humans that we are, were also abused and mistreated in many ways (mostly emotionally and psychologically) which is what lead us to this sad situation of being so disgustingly inferior to everyone else, so please understand that while I can’t relate to the physical abuse and humiliation you were subjected to, I know what it’s like to be mistreated…I also know what it’s like to be HATED because of what others have done to me.

 

[John21652]

This has to be one of the best examples of typical Catholic thinking towards people with same-sex attractions:

“We don’t HATE them, we just think we’re BETTER than THEY are and think they should be treated with disdain, disrespect and looked down upon by their BETTERS. It’s just that all homosexual persons are INFERIOR and there’s NO PLACE for them in the Church.”

This has to be one of the best examples of typically dishonest responses I’ve ever read. You totally missed the tenor of my post and you added in whole sentences I never wrote. You added them in to make your sorry state of mind obvious to everyone.

Show me where I said they should not be in the Church? I challenge you. Show me.
If you can’t show me, then come back here and apologise.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

This has to be one of the best examples of typically dishonest responses I’ve ever read. You totally missed the tenor of my post and you added in whole sentences I never wrote.

You added them in to make your sorry state of mind obvious to everyone.

I added nothing. The tenor of your post is obvious. It’s okay to discriminate, especially when it’s things you don’t like. You don’t like homosexual persons, so it’s cool to discriminate against them, just not to go out gay bashing.

Show me where I said they should not be in the Church? I challenge you. Show me.
If you can’t show me, then come back here and apologise.

Of course, you wouldn’t say that directly, You stated in no uncertain terms that you want nothing to do with homosexual persons. You don’t qualify whether or not that person is living according to the Church or not. You simply say that you want nothing to do with homosexual persons. If there are homosexual persons in the Church and you want nothing to do with homosexual persons, then you want them out of the Church.

After being told that one is garbage and unworthy and subhuman and inferior BY CHRISTIANS for so long, I’m sick of it and am speaking out.

 

[John21652]

I added nothing. The tenor of your post is obvious. It’s okay to discriminate, especially when it’s things you don’t like. You don’t like homosexual persons, so it’s cool to discriminate against them, just not to go out gay bashing.

Of course, you wouldn’t say that directly, You stated in no uncertain terms that you want nothing to do with homosexual persons. You don’t qualify whether or not that person is living according to the Church or not. You simply say that you want nothing to do with homosexual persons. If there are homosexual persons in the Church and you want nothing to do with homosexual persons, then you want them out of the Church.

After being told that one is garbage and unworthy and subhuman and inferior BY CHRISTIANS for so long, I’m sick of it and am speaking out.

Again you are stating things that I never wrote and attributing them to me. I specifically wrote " *That does not mean I hate them". *I also did not write “in no uncertain terms” that I want nothing to do with homosexual persons. I said I had the right to discriminate. You are reading into what I wrote a persecution which I specifically wrote should not happen. Here, again, is the exact sentence - *“To go around persecuting them is obviously another moral wrong”. *Now from what you are writing, I surmise that I can choose to shun you for bad breath, or maybe even because I don’t like the way you look, if that is what I desire, but should I dare say explicitly that I would shun you because you are homosexual, according to you I am committing a grave wrong. Sorry, but you are attempting to force onto me a relativistic form of discrimination and practicing exactly what you argue against.

However, let me say this explicitly. If you are living a good chaste life and avoiding same sex relations, then I take my hat off to you. However, if that is not the case, then so be it, but just don’t attempt at ramming your lifestyle down my throat as something normal.

Now, I say again, show me where I said there’s no place for them in the Church. If you can’t then apologise.

 

[Corki]

This has to be one of the best examples of typical Catholic thinking towards people with same-sex attractions:

“We don’t HATE them, we just think we’re BETTER than THEY are and think they should be treated with disdain, disrespect and looked down upon by their BETTERS. It’s just that all homosexual persons are INFERIOR and there’s NO PLACE for them in the Church.”

Do you have any idea how offensive this post is? Especially considering the situation described in the OP. Please, think twice before you post trash like this.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Again you are stating things that I never wrote and attributing them to me.

Actually, I am extrapolating what you say and expanding them for all to see.

I specifically wrote " *That does not mean I hate them". *I also did not write “in no uncertain terms” that I want nothing to do with homosexual persons. I said I had the right to discriminate.

And this means…what, exactly?

You are reading into what I wrote a persecution which I specifically wrote should not happen. Here, again, is the exact sentence - *“To go around persecuting them is obviously another moral wrong”. *

I acknowledged that. Like I said, you’re fine with discriminating against homosexual persons, but not looking for them so you can beat them up.

Now from what you are writing, I surmise that I can choose to shun you for bad breath, or maybe even because I don’t like the way you look, if that is what I desire, but should I dare say explicitly that I would shun you because you are homosexual, according to you I am committing a grave wrong. Sorry, but you are attempting to force onto me a relativistic form of discrimination and practicing exactly what you argue against.

From what you are writing, I can surmise that you don’t see homosexuals as persons, per se, but their temptations and actions only. Which is why you feel that it’s acceptable to shun them.

However, let me say this explicitly. If you are living a good chaste life and avoiding same sex relations, then I take my hat off to you.

Hmmm…what do you mean by “same sex relations?” Do you mean having any friends of the same sex or actual sexual and/or romantic relations? Do you believe that homosexual sub-persons are capable of having same-sex friendships that aren’t romantic or are people like me such dirt that we can’t control ourselves?

However, if that is not the case, then so be it, but just don’t attempt at ramming your lifestyle down my throat as something normal.

How DARE you! Perhaps you should look at my posting history and what I’ve said on the subject before making this spurious and insulting accusation. I demand an immediate retraction.

Now, I say again, show me where I said there’s no place for them in the Church. If you can’t then apologise.

Considering you believe that it’s all good to discriminate against homosexual persons (and you don’t make any distinction as to their chastity), one must conclude that you don’t want anything to do with them. You’re part of the Church. You don’t want people you don’t want anything to do with in your Church, do you?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Do you have any idea how offensive this post is? Especially considering the situation described in the OP. Please, think twice before you post trash like this.

Trash? This is what is feels like to be a homosexual person in the Catholic Church. That’s not trash, it’s reality. Perhaps I should move this line of thinking to a separate thread because I don’t want to distract from the OPs pain, which I understand to be pretty intense.