Homoromatism good or bad?

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

they’re not hurting anyone

From the OP’s Catholic perspective, they’re damning themselves.

How would someone feel about being scolded all the time by other people who thought that they were damning themselves? Then every Christian would have to put up with Muslims telling them that they’re damning themselves for not being a Muslim, and Catholics would have to put up with some Baptists telling them that they’re damning themselves for not being a Baptist.

 

[Maximilian75]

How would someone feel about being scolded all the time by other people who thought that they were damning themselves?

Depends. If it’s coming from a place of genuine love for the other - “Hey, dude, I wanna be able to hang with you in Heaven - I don’t want you to have to suffer Hell” then I wouldn’t say that’s scolding - that’s true love - willing the good of the other.

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

How would someone feel about being scolded all the time by other people who thought that they were damning themselves?

Depends. If it’s coming from a place of genuine love for the other - “Hey, dude, I wanna be able to hang with you in Heaven - I don’t want you to have to suffer Hell” then I wouldn’t say that’s scolding - that’s true love - willing the good of the other.

I’m probably being rude, but I usually tell the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons who come to my door all the time to take a hike (especially since they keep coming back after I’ve told them I’m not interested).

 

[Maximilian75]

Exactly.
Boundaries need to be respected by all, and this is also why relationship is key - it allows an element of care that’s really needed in circumstances like these.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Does all her merits be covered by her fault of giving love to the wrong gender?

Nobody merits heaven. Even the best person alive, by their own merit, has sinned and has transgressed against God. We are only given the gift of eternal life by the infinite mercy of God. And, if this person fulfills the conditions of committing mortal sin, they’re committing one, and are therefore refusing God and His mercy.

But if two people are gay and are in a same-sex relationship, they’re not hurting anyone and it’s no one else’s business what they do in bed.

They’re hurting themselves and they’re hurting God. Sins don’t have to hurt anybody else, they just have to be willful breaks of God’s commandments. Those who engage in relations with others of the same gender are breaking God’s commandments by fornicating, so it is definitely God’s (and the Church’s) business.

It has nothing to do with hurting other people, and everything to do with breaking the Law of God.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

That’s an extreme example of evangelization.

 

[Todd_Easton]

Homoromatism? Did you mean homoromanticism? The term is new to me; I don’t understand the difference between a homoromantic couple and two best friends. I could be wrong but I suppose as long as they aren’t having sex with each other nor fantasizing about having sex with each other, then there is nothing wrong with it per se. However, such an unusual, asexual relationship might be mistakenly presumed to be sexual and so could cause scandal.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Then every Christian would have to put up with Muslims telling them that they’re damning themselves for not being a Muslim, and Catholics would have to put up with some Baptists telling them that they’re damning themselves for not being a Baptist.

That already happens.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

But if two people are gay and are in a same-sex relationship, they’re not hurting anyone

The Church believes that if two people are in a sexual relationship outside marriage (regardless of gender), they are most definitely hurting themselves and each other. The Church does not recognize gay marriage, so two people of the same sex having a sexual relationship will always be “outside marriage”. The Church also believes that two people in a same-sex romantic or sexual relationship are also hurting themselves or each other.

This is Church teaching. If you want to disagree with it, that’s your opinion, but you’re in conflict with the Church teaching.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

That already happens.

And we “put up with it” all day long.

Putting up with people who think differently from us is part of life.

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

Then every Christian would have to put up with Muslims telling them that they’re damning themselves for not being a Muslim, and Catholics would have to put up with some Baptists telling them that they’re damning themselves for not being a Baptist.

That already happens.

It usually doesn’t happen to your face, I would assume. But people here in CAF regularly talk about whether they should tell someone they know that they’re sinning. They seem to see it as an act of charity. But I wouldn’t appreciate any of my friends or family members telling me that.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

It usually doesn’t happen to your face, I would assume.

Oh, please. Yes it happens “to your face”, especially if you live in a place full of Muslims or Baptists, or if you have people in your close circle of family or acquaintances who feel a need to say something. The USA was openly anti-Catholic up to about the JFK era and it still is in parts. And I wish I had a dollar for every time somebody on my Facebook feed or even in person went on a rant about “Christians” especially during the Trump Administration.

I am also willing to bet that this person doing the scolding is a family member or close friend/ acquaintance and not just somebody walking down the street, because otherwise how would the OP knows the person’s churchgoing habits.

 

[Thorolfr]

This is Church teaching. If you want to disagree with it, that’s your opinion, but you’re in conflict with the Church teaching.

Of course, most people who aren’t Catholic will be in conflict with Church teaching on some issue.

 

[JamalChristophr]

Love the sinner. Hate the sin. That’s the Catholic Way.

 

[Thorolfr]

I lived in the Middle East for three years and although some Muslims did try to interest me in Islam, none of them told me to my face that I was damned because I wasn’t Muslim. Although I’m sure that some of my Baptist family members secretly disapprove of the fact that I’m gay, none of them have ever told me to my face that I’m sinning. In my family, some of them just avoid you if they think you’re a sinner, but they don’t say anything. The only person that ever told me that I was doing something that would send me to hell was a Baptist pastor after I told him that I’m gay when I was 21. I haven’t been back to that Church in almost 40 years (and the same pastor is still there).

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

It usually doesn’t happen to your face,

LOL my evangelical friends do worry about me.
They’re lovely ladies, truly.
Although one of them, has come around to believe that some Catholics actually are Christians (not all mind you but some).

 

[Thorolfr]

LOL…My Baptist grandmother wouldn’t let my father play with any of the Catholic children when he was growing up. She had some very negative ideas about Catholics.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Of course, most people who aren’t Catholic will be in conflict with Church teaching on some issue.

Of course, and this forum is called “Catholic Answers” so any person who isn’t Catholic should realize that Church teachings are supported here, not conflicting personal opinions.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I lived in the Middle East for three years and although some Muslims did try to interest me in Islam, none of them told me to my face that I was damned because I wasn’t Muslim.

I’ve worked with plenty of Muslims and so has my husband and many other people we know. I also live in a city that has had a lot of Muslims emigrate to there. While the vast majority of them are polite and would not say such things to strangers, work acquaintances, neighbors, etc. you can get a very different picture if it’s actually a case of their son wants to marry a Christian or whatever. That is why I think the whole scenario posted by the OP is some type of a parental, family or close friend affair.

In some parts of the Middle East, and I stress “some”, you will get a lot more anti-Christian sentiment. Other places people live in peace.

I also had Baptist relatives in my father’s family who were not happy about him marrying my Catholic mom. I was too young to know they disapproved, but my mom had to put up with it. Also, my dad’s Methodist father would have likely thrown a fit but fortunately he had died before Dad met Mom. My dad’s father was in the KKK as were quite a few people from his area, and it was primarily an anti-Catholic organization out there as there were few or no Jewish people or people of color but there were a sizable number of Catholics around.

The bottom line is we all have to put up with disapproval sometimes, and it very rarely comes from a total stranger.
The OP has chosen to present a situation with no context, making it sound like this Catholic person just walks up to random gay or trans folks on the street and starts “scolding” them. I sincerely doubt that’s what’s going on here. I’m not even convinced this is all about “my best friend” because half the time when people say “my friend” they mean themselves.

Leaving the thread now, have a nice day

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

Of course, most people who aren’t Catholic will be in conflict with Church teaching on some issue.

Of course, and this forum is called “Catholic Answers” so any person who isn’t Catholic should realize that Church teachings are supported here, not conflicting personal opinions.

And debates almost never go anywhere when the people debating don’t have certain beliefs in common. They ultimately come down to irreconcilable claims about the nature of sexuality or of human beings or the authority of Scripture or of the Catholic Church. If someone who is debating doesn’t believe that the Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ, then he won’t be convinced by argument that rely on Church authority or Church traditions.