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Gnosis
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Why do topics regarding homosexuality appear in the forums that are supposed to discuss the “Culture of Death” ?
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Because of the connection between the two…
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mercygate
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Homosexual acts are sterile by their nature and cannot transmit life. When you examine contraception, homosexuality, artificial insemination, and abortion, you see that they all stand on a continuum and share one common theme: My body is my own to do with as I please. It is a self-engulfed worldview which causes society to shrivel and die. Hence, the term, “Culture of Death.”
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Eileen_T
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The marital act between one man and one woman is life-affirming, and, when open to receiving children can result in the procreation of a child.
Homosexuals cannot reproduce without assistance or cooperation from one or more people outside of their ‘relationship’. They are well-aware that heterosexuals are out-breeding and therefore outnumbering them. They feel threatened by this as the following quote will show.
When a culture abandoned pre-nuptial chastity and post-nuptial fidelity they went into a cultural decline that left them weakened and a prey to other, stronger forces.
Homosexuals cannot reproduce without assistance or cooperation from one or more people outside of their ‘relationship’. They are well-aware that heterosexuals are out-breeding and therefore outnumbering them. They feel threatened by this as the following quote will show.
The British anthropologist J.D.Unwin studied 86 different cultures throughout history and discovered that cultures that valued traditional, monogamous marriage and pre-marital sexual chastity flourished.
When a culture abandoned pre-nuptial chastity and post-nuptial fidelity they went into a cultural decline that left them weakened and a prey to other, stronger forces.
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Guar_Fan
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The same is true of masturbation and celibacy, but those are not discussed here. I have to agree with Gnosis, I think homosexuality threads belong elsewhere. Perhaps the Moral Theology forum?
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patg
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Sounds a lot like Catholic priests and nuns…Choosing a lifestyle not open to life.
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Eileen_T
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A priest is called to represent Christ Himself, as such he is espoused to the ‘bride of Christ’ the Church. All baptised Christians are his spiritual children. His concern is for our spiritual wellbeing as our own fathers are concerned for our material weebeing.
A religious is the bride of Christ and, like a priest is concerned for the spiritual wellbeing of all God’s children.
These roles are life-giving. Choosing celibacy for the sake of Christ is promoted in the NT by St Paul.
Life, as we speak of it, concerns not only the here and now which will pass in the blink of an eye, but in a larger sense Eternal Life. It amazes me how many Christians seem to forget that.
A religious is the bride of Christ and, like a priest is concerned for the spiritual wellbeing of all God’s children.
These roles are life-giving. Choosing celibacy for the sake of Christ is promoted in the NT by St Paul.
Life, as we speak of it, concerns not only the here and now which will pass in the blink of an eye, but in a larger sense Eternal Life. It amazes me how many Christians seem to forget that.
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Patg:
I don’t know if this is “Flamer Bait” or if you’re serious, because you’ve equated the chaste celebacy of priests and nuns who do what they do in order to more completely serve and obey God with the unchaste sexually active lifestyles listed by Mercygate which Scripture and Tradition both say seperate the people who participate in them from God and block them from being able to receive His grace and His love.
Here’s a group where Catholics who have same sex attractions go for mutual support in living out their lives in conformity with God’s law and God’s plan:
Courage Apostalate couragerc.net/
Patg, this is a Catholic forum, and most of us accept Catholic Teaching as given. Even those Protestants and others who post here try to treat it more respectfully than you have in this post.
If you’re trying to ask why we hold certain points of view, I suggest you try to ask your questions in the same way you would expect us to ask you about something you held dear.
Thank you.
In Christ, Michael
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The best answer as to homosexuality’s inclusion in the “Culture of Death” section is found in the origination of the term itself. When Pope John Paul II coined the term, homosexuality was a significant aspect of what he was referring to. In fact, what better description can really be found for the behavior? Besides bringing moral and societal (or demographic) decay (or moral entropy), it also severely wounds the spiritual and physical health of the practicing homosexual. In other words, any way he turns, he creates ripples of death–whether examining the internal or external world.
In *Discourse to the Participants in the XIV General Assembly of the Pontifical Council for the Family, June 4, 1999, *Pope John Paul II wrote in part:
“Lastly, ‘de facto unions’ between homosexuals are a deplorable distortion of what should be a communion of love and life between a man and a woman in a reciprocal gift open to life”
My family left the Episcopal tradition several years ago partly due to its moral relativsm on this issue of homosexuality. As C.S. Lewis predicted in the last essay he wrote, the Anglican Church has swung too far away from the teachings of the Bible and of tradition. It is wonderful to have a church home today which calls evil for what it is, while it continues to work tirelessly to bring the unsaved to Christ.
In *Discourse to the Participants in the XIV General Assembly of the Pontifical Council for the Family, June 4, 1999, *Pope John Paul II wrote in part:
“Lastly, ‘de facto unions’ between homosexuals are a deplorable distortion of what should be a communion of love and life between a man and a woman in a reciprocal gift open to life”
My family left the Episcopal tradition several years ago partly due to its moral relativsm on this issue of homosexuality. As C.S. Lewis predicted in the last essay he wrote, the Anglican Church has swung too far away from the teachings of the Bible and of tradition. It is wonderful to have a church home today which calls evil for what it is, while it continues to work tirelessly to bring the unsaved to Christ.
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Karin
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Sounds like a married INFERTILE couple…what is the difference.??
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Writer
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intent, purpose, and the underlying morality…
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kaymart
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An infertile couple did not choose to be this way. (provided they had a vacemtomy or tubual) Their Martial Relations are pure because there is a slight possibility they might have a child, as the Gay couples are not open to life whatsoever. Not to metion the immoral behaviors of the homosexual sex act. It’s just wrong . period.
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Karin
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Just as a homosexual **IMHO **did not choose to be that way.
But the comparison between Infertile couples and homosexuals was in response to a poster that stated “Homosexual acts are sterile by their nature and cannot transmit life.”: lets look at the two underlinded phrases (which is what I was comparing to infertile couples)…. infertile couple: sterile & not able to transmit life …just like homosexuals…sterile and unable to transmit life.
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kaymart
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Well, IMHO and the Church’s teachings they are immoral acts that can not transmit life period, the infertile couple might have the 1 percent chance of possibily concieving a child. And they are not sinning and not adding to the culture of death. Being attracted to the same sex is not a sin -----------The Act Is!
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One point… I had a relative who was believed to be sterile, but she ended-up having children. The point is that the possibility remains when the act involves a man and a woman (look at Old Testament account of Sarah, for example), but there is no possibility of life when the act is man/man or woman/woman. No remote potential for the creation of life exists in that scenario.
To see the homosexual agenda a little clearer, the article below is pretty interesting stuff.
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/10/19/notes101905.DTL
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Karin
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I was not (once again) asking if the Homosexual Act was sinning…we all know that it is.
I was not asking if the married infertile couple having sex was sinning…we know that they are not.
What I am asking is can you not compare the homosexual (sterile, not transmitting life) to the infertile couple (sterile not transmitting life)? Assume the infertile couple meaning INFERTILE, never to bare children (CAN NOT TRANSMIT HUMAN LIFE)are they not the same (PHYSICALLY) than the Homosexuals preforming the “Homosexual Act”?
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Karin
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Lets rephrase the OP’s question…
Why do topics regarding homosexuals appear in the forums that are supposed to discuss the “Culture of Death”?
I can understand the Church’s view on homosexual acts being in the “Culture of Death” but Homosexuals too???
Why do topics regarding homosexuals appear in the forums that are supposed to discuss the “Culture of Death”?
I can understand the Church’s view on homosexual acts being in the “Culture of Death” but Homosexuals too???
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BlindSheep
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By underlining what you did, you left out an important clause:
"Homosexual acts are sterile by their nature and cannot transmit life"
Sex between an infertile couple is not sterile by its nature, but rather because of illness (or advanced age. which has the same root as illness-the fall). Homosexual acts, on the other hand, are sterile by their nature, because of the nature of the people involved as both male or female.
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BlindSheep
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Who engages in homosexual acts? For whom are homosexual acts a temptation?
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Karin
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Good one…you know I did not even realize that…(the underlined word thing)…thank you
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