Homosexual Acts are Not Against the Natural Law

[Lucy107]

No, I’m asking you if your moral position on this matter, which you are willing to publicly proclaim and criticize others for not following,

How am I criticizing you?
I have never said that what you think, feel, or do was wrong.
I have never said that you should follow my position.

That we have different views on the matter at hand is not yet the same as me criticizing you.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

How am I criticizing you?
I have never said that what you think, feel, or do was wrong.
I have never said that you should follow my position.

That we have different views on the matter at hand is not yet the same as me criticizing you.

OK, I’ll accept that. Sorry for the overstatement on my part.

 

[Lucy107]

I suppose that as someone who already by natural inclination has never had the extent of, how to call that and not be too rude, “sensual desires,” as people usually seem to have, I am not well-equipped to relate to those who do. In my teens, I wanted to become a nun, and it was the modest lifestyle that I have found appealing - and still do. (My not being baptized was of course a problem.)

I apologize if I have offened anyone.

 

[LisaA]

I suppose that as someone who already by natural inclination has never had the extent of, how to call that and not be too rude, “sensual desires,” as people usually seem to have, I am not well-equipped to relate to those who do. In my teens, I wanted to become a nun, and it was the modest lifestyle that I have found appealing - and still do. (My not being baptized was of course a problem.)

I apologize if I have offened anyone.

I read your previous post where you gave some explanation of your position. My suggestion to you is to continue to read, explore, ask questions and you will find the Church’s position is as was noted above, not so different from your own. I think you are splitting hairs in saying that one should not engage in the marital embrace if you are DELIBERATELY trying to have a child. That isn’t reasonable and rejects the beautiful differences between human beings and other members of the animal kingdom. There is a function to human beings’ engaging in sexual expression beyond the instinctive desire to mate that is present in other species.

Male and female nature are different and male nature is to desire sexual fulfillment, but our higher level of discretion and ability to understand “the big picture” for lack of a better phrase, allows the instinctive desire to have a variety of sexual experiences and partners with the greater good of family life. So men will subject their base desires to a greater good and remain monogamous. Women are different and this doesn’t mean women do not experience or desire sexual fulfillment but that it is more relationship driven. That you didn’t experience sensual desires in the vacuum of not having a relationship is not that unusual. Women just are not made to desire sex for sex’s sake…in general…so Feminists hold your fire here. The complimentary nature of males and females create a beautiful whole…and sometimes a child.

As to someone having “power” over you because you have some disagreement, I don’t think that is an appropriate way to view those who could administer the Sacraments to you. I have been part of our RCIA team for almost ten years and believe me, we have heard every question, dispute and disagreement with the Church that our Candidates can toss out. The Church is not afraid of your questions so ask them. You might find that your created philosophy is no longer your position once you experience the fullness of Truth.

 

[Lucy107]

I read your previous post where you gave some explanation of your position. My suggestion to you is to continue to read, explore, ask questions and you will find the Church’s position is as was noted above, not so different from your own.

Like I said already, I think my position is in the same spirit as the Church’s.

I think you are splitting hairs in saying that one should not engage in the marital embrace if you are DELIBERATELY trying to have a child.

You will have to quote me on that.

There is a function to human beings’ engaging in sexual expression beyond the instinctive desire to mate that is present in other species.

If you think this is what my position is (“have sex only when in heat”), then I have to say you couldn’t be more wrong. I don’t know how you have come to this conclusion. How has this biologism crept in? I’m talking about being a responsible prospective parent and about concern for one’s own welfare and the welfare of others, and you read a crude biologism into it …

The complimentary nature of males and females create a beautiful whole…and sometimes a child.

Sorry, I just don’t see anything romantic in sex and having children.

The Church is not afraid of your questions so ask them. You might find that your created philosophy is no longer your position once you experience the fullness of Truth.

Seeing how you yourself have read something into my posts that I have never said, I again don’t have the faith that I will be free to ask my questions.