Homosexual and women priests

[LDNCatholic]

What are you guys thoughts on such things?

A celibate man with SSA who is able to control his desires (not all people have the same level of sexual appetite) is not necessarily barred from the priesthood, though I think in the wake of the abuse scandals the Church should take more time scrutinising such men.

There is no such thing as a female priest in the Catholic Church. No matter how many movements spring up, any woman that gets herself ‘ordained’ is not a priest, she and everyone involved in the ‘ordination’ are in a state of mortal sin.

 

[Conor7]

A celibate man with SSA who is able to control his desires (not all people have the same level of sexual appetite) is not necessarily barred from the priesthood, though I think in the wake of the abuse scandals the Church should take more time scrutinising such men.

OK, now. Let’s agree to differentiate between homosexuality and pedophilia.

 

[PJM]

On the issue of women

Blessed John Paul II ruled officially fromt eh Chair of Peter NOT that the CC will not ordain women to the priesthood; BUT THAT THE CHURCH CANNOT ORDAIN WOMEN TO THE PRIESTHOOD.

Screening for those seeking entry into the priesthood now commonly includeds physiologial screening. LESSO LEARNED from past erorrs.

God Bless,
Pat

 

[LDNCatholic]

OK, now. Let’s agree to differentiate between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Of course. I wasn’t suggesting that all homosexuals are paedophiles.

That said a lot of those abused were pubescent, and a good deal of the paedeophile priests admitted SSA.

I didn’t say priests with SSA should automatically be barred, just that more scrutiny should be applied.

 

[Tyuiop411]

I couldn’t see ever having priestesses, but I’d be fine with celibate homosexual priests.

 

[Fink]

Don’t shoot the messenger, Fink. I’m simply passing on information as it was relayed to me and trying my best not to editorialize in the meantime. I think it’s clear where you stand on the topic.

Sorry, Conor. i didn`t mean to lay one on you!
Actually, my crankiness is directed towards some Catholics who should know better.

By the way, if this question hasnt already been answered (This threads moving too fast!):
The Church teaches that homosexuality (SSA) is NOT a sin. How could it be?
Its the giving in to the impulses of the orientation thats sinful. “Love the sinner; but hate the sin.”
Dont forget that heteros cant do whatever they like, either! Adultery is adultery. Impurity comes under that, as well.

ForGood:
Thanks.

 

[estesbob]

The issue of women priests caused great contoversy in the Church of England, and although it hasn’t disappeared, we seem to have overcome it. .

. I can relate how it was “overcome” in my community. . The local Anglican Catholic Church left the Anglican Church and became part of our diocese.

 

[estesbob]

I watched this documentary over Lent that spoke briefly of the prevalence of ordained women in the ancient church. I think it was call Christianity, the First 2000 Years, but don’t quote me on that.

. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of ordained women in the ancient church. . In fact the sum total of the alleged evidence is exactly 2 first century tombstones that some believe give the women buried there the title of “Deacon”. , most scholars believe the title is referring to their husbands.

 

[beeliner]

A celibate man with SSA who is able to control his desires (not all people have the same level of sexual appetite) is not necessarily barred from the priesthood…

Agreed, but your prejudice is showing here. Surely the same is true of those with OSA, perhaps even to a greater extent.

 

[Cheshangle]

You can rest assured that the "quoted post’ is not supposed to be a joke: it`s deadly serious.

Youre getting a bit behind the times. Theres a growing move to prevent SSA men from getting into seminaries. The Good Shepherd Seminary in Sydney, Australia, is an example. A psychologist (or a psychiatrist?) is employed to try to stop any from slipping through.

Not on, at least, not any more. As already said, men with a normal, healthy HETEROSEXUAL orientation are the ones required.

Again: you`re starting to be dated. In this country, at least, good Bishops have become deadly serious.

The Church doesnt want "Feminaries". i didnt make that name up! Neither did i make up the name: “The Pink Palace”, or “The Lavender Mafia”!

Speaking of “TLM”, the so-called “gay” network in the priesthood is a close-knit club.
The members of this club do two things:
1.They support each other to the hilt.
2.They BLACKMAIL each other. By that, i mean that if one of their number manages to get to a position of influence, hes obliged to do what he can for the others. If he doesnt; theyll blow his cover. Theres no real loyality, except for a self-serving type.

ive had a number of conversations with a person (a lady) who has had a lot to do with "Courage", the tactics used by SSA men to dodge the radar, and the counter-tactics employed by the seminary. Its a serious business. By the way, this applies to celibate SSA men, as well as practising ones.

If anyone here doesnt like any of that: go off and do some research. i dont intend to offend anyone: but the Truth is the Truth. Call a spade a spade, and be done with it!

PS
Are you suggesting that the Church could have “priestesses” if she really wanted to?

i) What’s SSA?

ii) OK, so you’ve named a seminary that’s trying to ban homosexual ordinands. But is that Vatican policy?

 

[Cheshangle]

. I can relate how it was “overcome” in my community. . The local Anglican Catholic Church left the Anglican Church and became part of our diocese.

Yes, we’ve lost a few like that. A price we had to pay. Worth it, though.

 

[Cheshangle]

I couldn’t see ever having priestesses, but I’d be fine with celibate homosexual priests.

Do you see there being women deacons ever?

PS Can deacons be married?

 

[estesbob]

Do you see there being women deacons ever?

The Church has already made it clear this can never happen

PS Can deacons be married?

Yes

 

[Cheshangle]

A celibate man with SSA who is able to control his desires (not all people have the same level of sexual appetite) is not necessarily barred from the priesthood, though I think in the wake of the abuse scandals the Church should take more time scrutinising such men.

There is no such thing as a female priest in the Catholic Church. No matter how many movements spring up, any woman that gets herself ‘ordained’ is not a priest, she and everyone involved in the ‘ordination’ are in a state of mortal sin.

Is my vicar in a state of mortal sin? (She’s a priest). Does that mean she’ll definitely go to hell when she dies?

 

[jsaldar]

Definitely not to be allowed. That is one of the great things about the Catholic church, it will no give in to the present imorality of society.The Catholic Church stands for the truth.

 

[estesbob]

Yes, we’ve lost a few like that. A price we had to pay. Worth it, though.

Agreed. The more people we can get the return of the One True Church, the better. It is nice that so many mainstream Protestant denominations are helping facilitate this.

 

[Cheshangle]

. I can relate how it was “overcome” in my community. . The local Anglican Catholic Church left the Anglican Church and became part of our diocese.

It’s not always easy. There are Anglo-Catholic women priests.

In our town there are two CofE churches. The one I go to is mderately high and has a woman priest. The other is evangelical, and has a “literalist” vicar who is anti-gay and strongly oposed to women priests. He has also said that he could never move to the RCC because in his opinion some of your teachings are unbiblical.

In Australia, the hard-line Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, Dr Jensen, is of a similar persuasion. He gets on very well with the equally hard line Cardinal Pell, the RC Archbishop.

 

[estesbob]

Definitely not to be allowed. That is one of the great things about the Catholic church, it will no give in to the present imorality of society.The Catholic Church stands for the truth.

. My wife converted to the Catholic Church from the Episcopal Church about 15 years ago. . This was the primary thing that attracted her to the Catholic Church-. The fact that we did not been to the current culture’s whims and/or version of morality.

 

[estesbob]

Is my vicar in a state of mortal sin? (She’s a priest). Does that mean she’ll definitely go to hell when she dies?

no. We cannot definitively say that anybody goes to hell. . Although all salvation is through the Catholic Church non-Catholics can indeed be saved through what we define as invincible ignorance.

 

[estesbob]

It’s not always easy. There are Anglo-Catholic women priests.

In our town there are two CofE churches. The one I go to is mderately high and has a woman priest. The other is evangelical, and has a “literalist” vicar who is anti-gay and strongly oposed to women priests. He has also said that he could never move to the RCC because in his opinion some of your teachings are unbiblical.

In Australia, the hard-line Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, Dr Jensen, is of a similar persuasion. He gets on very well with the equally hard line Cardinal Pell, the RC Archbishop.

. I am not sure what you mean by hard-line Catholic Cardinal? Either one adheres to the teachings of the Church, or they do not. aA far as the “literalist” Vicar not wanting to come back to the Catholic Church because he believes it’s teachings are not biblical it is the assertion that one’s personal interpretation of Scripture has more authority than the Church that led to the Anglican split from the One True church in the first place. That and a desire by Henry to marry his mistress, that is.