Homosexual marriage really wrong?

[CeaselessMedik]

Could someone please explain why the Protestant reasoning here:
religioustolerance.org/hombiblot.htm

Is wrong? The Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is not supposed to be taken literally, so why could the whole “man and woman” issue not be just a general statement? Not to mention that Genesis strikes me as a little iffy with its talk of a “dome over the world” (wouldn’t that only cover half of it?) etc.

 

[Hellisreal]

Yes, we view marriage as a sacrament.

God himself instituted marriage.

Sorry, it can not be argued that there is a biblical basis for homosexual marriage in the Church.
This is really beyond stretching the scriptures, its twisting them to their own destruction.

Civil laws allow it in some places, there is no stopping that I am afraid.

 

[CeaselessMedik]

Judging by how fast you replied, I doubt you even read the article. Also, I was wondering about the Sacraments. When, how, and by whom (Whom?) were they established?

 

[Hellisreal]

Judging by how fast you replied, I doubt you even read the article. Also, I was wondering about the Sacraments. When, how, and by whom (Whom?) were they established?

I had to click off that silly ad for the movie so it slowed me down for a second or two, but I got the jist of the whole thing right away.

Talk about personal interpretation gone wrong.

Start thinking Adam and Eve and I will be back.

Secondly, are you now questioning all 7 of the sacraments or just marriage now? I need to know how much time I am going to be investing in this.

 

[CeaselessMedik]

We;; yeah, really all of them. I don’t remember Jesus ever saying “this is confession. Here’s how it works,” or things like that.

Also, what’s wrong with personal interpretation? That’s what the Church i doing, isn’t it? They’re people, too, and don’t tell me that the Church is perfect when it comes to religion. Remember them thinking selling indulgences was okay?

 

[Hellisreal]

We;; yeah, really all of them. I don’t remember Jesus ever saying “this is confession. Here’s how it works,” or things like that.

Also, what’s wrong with personal interpretation? That’s what the Church i doing, isn’t it? They’re people, too, and don’t tell me that the Church is perfect when it comes to religion. Remember them thinking selling indulgences was okay?

Oh boy you are on a roll now aren’t you.

Try this and get back to me.

I am sure you will have some more questions.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c3a7.htm

I will be back with scriptures for you.

 

[Hellisreal]

Sorry, I always wash my hands and say a quick prayer before opening up my real bible. I could have gone online I guess.

Anyway, confession is all over the bible.

Where to start?

Lets just look at John 20:23 but there are so many more.

If you dont think that the Priest can absolve then you really have to first learn about the authority factors. That is a huge topic and I am not going to spend any time on that tonight.

Romans 1:27 would be good for you to read too.

I dont know what else to say if you start out innocently enough with one sacrament and go down the line like this.

 

[KCT]

I don’t remember Jesus ever saying “this is confession. Here’s how it works,” or things like that.

He also never said, “Write everything down so you have a bible when I’m gone.” —KCT

 

[mercygate]

Judging by how fast you replied, I doubt you even read the article. Also, I was wondering about the Sacraments. When, how, and by whom (Whom?) were they established?

Your profile says you are Catholic. If so, you MUST know the answer to your question here? If you do NOT know, I am not surprised; that’s pretty common these days.

Has the term “natural law” ever crossed your prow?

 

[mercygate]

Medik appears to be a non-Catholic posing as a Catholic on his profile in order to goad.

Medik: go to the home page of Catholic Answers and read the tracts that address your questions. It’s all in there. Then if you have real questions, come on back and we’ll kick 'em around.

 

[Hellisreal]

Why is this thread in social justice?

If its about the sacraments I think it should be moved.

 

[drafdog]

The problem with this issue is that no one has a word for a life time, monogamous, single sex relationship. The only word we have which comes close is “marriage” and that raises hackles on too many people. The social scientists agree that long-term (life time) monogamous relationships result in lower stress levels, better general health, longer lifespans and happier people. It is devoutly to be hoped that homosexuals be encouraged to form such bonds for their own benefit and for the benefit of general society. In that sense homosexual “marriage” is not wrong. It is perceived as wrong to call it “marriage.” We need a new word here.

Matthew

 

[Sheeniac]

We;; yeah, really all of them. I don’t remember Jesus ever saying “this is confession. Here’s how it works,” or things like that.

Also, what’s wrong with personal interpretation? That’s what the Church i doing, isn’t it? They’re people, too, and don’t tell me that the Church is perfect when it comes to religion. Remember them thinking selling indulgences was okay?

Greetings Ceaseless!

I was listening to a wonderful MP3 earlier this morning. While it doesn’t address all of your questions, it DOES address the underlying supposition that I think your questions stem from. Go to www.BibleChristianSociety.org and download the One Church talk.

I don’t think it will bring you around to Catholicism, but I so think it will give you a lot of Scriptually-based arguments to think about. Indeed, it will let you know how we think, which will make more sense in terms of our beliefs about the Sacraments, etc.

No - it doesn’t address homosexual marriage, but if you are interested our basic beliefs - whether to gain a personal understanding, or to formulate arguments you think will be more effective in turning us to your point of view, I HIGHLY recommend it.

 

[CeaselessMedik]

Well, I WAS a Catholic when I joined this site. I’m not sure what I am now, because it seems like some of the Church’s dogma isn’t drawn from the Bible, at least not entirely. Anyway, the post someone made above the one above this one seems to make good sense to me, and as long as they get the legal benefits a married couple gets, that’s fine by me.

I’ll download that mp3 and listen to it later. And no, I’m not trying to “goad” anyone. I’m just trying to figure out the real source behind some of the Church’s beliefs and tell which ones are human-made and therefore not as…important? I don’t know.

EDIT: the link points to a site without anything called “One Church.”

 

[catholicbuckeye]

Could someone please explain why the Protestant reasoning here:
religioustolerance.org/hombiblot.htm

Is wrong? The Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is not supposed to be taken literally, so why could the whole “man and woman” issue not be just a general statement? Not to mention that Genesis strikes me as a little iffy with its talk of a “dome over the world” (wouldn’t that only cover half of it?) etc.

I did read a couple of the lines on the website but have to get back to work so couldn’t dwell too long. I am just shocked (well maybe not anymore) as to how our society will take virtually any simple obvious truth and refuse to acknowledge it if not altogether deny it, forming whatever rationalization they can stretch their imaginations to justify their stance.

 

[estesbob]

The problem with this issue is that no one has a word for a life time, monogamous, single sex relationship. The only word we have which comes close is “marriage” and that raises hackles on too many people. The social scientists agree that long-term (life time) monogamous relationships result in lower stress levels, better general health, longer lifespans and happier people. It is devoutly to be hoped that homosexuals be encouraged to form such bonds for their own benefit and for the benefit of general society. In that sense homosexual “marriage” is not wrong. It is perceived as wrong to call it “marriage.” We need a new word here.

Matthew

Sure we do-the word is SIN

 

[vern_humphrey]

Well, I WAS a Catholic when I joined this site. I’m not sure what I am now, because it seems like some of the Church’s dogma isn’t drawn from the Bible, at least not entirely. Anyway, the post someone made above the one above this one seems to make good sense to me, and as long as they get the legal benefits a married couple gets, that’s fine by me.

I’ll download that mp3 and listen to it later. And no, I’m not trying to “goad” anyone. I’m just trying to figure out the real source behind some of the Church’s beliefs and tell which ones are human-made and therefore not as…important? I don’t know.

EDIT: the link points to a site without anything called “One Church.”

Jesus left nothing in writing. The oldest Christian texts we have are the Epistles of Paul, written more than a generation after the Crucifixion. When Paul wrote, he did not know he was writing the Bible.

For some 350 years, the authoratitive teaching of the Church was the oral tradition handed down from generation to generation.
Over time a huge number of Christian texts appeared – some traceablle to the Apostles, some to the Apoistolic Fathers, and some outright forgeries. The idea of a new Christian bible emerged only slowly, in the Fourth Century. and when it did, there was little agreement what should go in that Bible. The decision as to what should be in the Bible and what should not be was based how it conformed with the oral tradition.

So the New Testament is based on the Sacred Tradition of the Church – which existed for centuries before the New Testament was formed.

If a Protestant tells you, “My religion is based on the Bible,” he’s right – someone read the Bible, came up with a new interpretation, and built his religion around it – more than a thousand years after the canon of the Bible was proclaimed by the Catholic Church.

But if a Catholic tells you, “My religion is based on the Bible,” he’s wrong. The Catholic Church is based on the preaching of the Apostles and the New Testament is based on the Sacred Tradition of the Church. And as Saint John tells us at the close of his Gospel, there was a great deal not written down, but preached orally from generation to generation.

 

[fix]

The problem with this issue is that no one has a word for a life time, monogamous, single sex relationship. The only word we have which comes close is “marriage” and that raises hackles on too many people. The social scientists agree that long-term (life time) monogamous relationships result in lower stress levels, better general health, longer lifespans and happier people. It is devoutly to be hoped that homosexuals be encouraged to form such bonds for their own benefit and for the benefit of general society. In that sense homosexual “marriage” is not wrong. It is perceived as wrong to call it “marriage.” We need a new word here.

Matthew

It is not simply a word that is the problem. What is the problem is changing the insititution of marriage to suit misdirected passions.

As for studies that claim sinful actions lower physical stress or increase life span should such studies be used to change what is good and what is bad? Is moral truth now determined by scientific study? What if some study shows humilitating a friend lowered blood pressure? Should it be encouraged?

 

[CeaselessMedik]

I did read a couple of the lines on the website but have to get back to work so couldn’t dwell too long. I am just shocked (well maybe not anymore) as to how our society will take virtually any simple obvious truth and refuse to acknowledge it if not altogether deny it, forming whatever rationalization they can stretch their imaginations to justify their stance.

It seems to me that instead of going in with an open mind you’re going in with the idea that you KNOW what the Bible means and that no other interpretation could POSSIBLY be right, which is not a good mentality. I’m asking someone to show me WHY it’s wrong, not THAT it’s wrong.

 

[fix]

Well, I WAS a Catholic when I joined this site. I’m not sure what I am now, because it seems like some of the Church’s dogma isn’t drawn from the Bible, at least not entirely.

Where do you think the bible came from?

Anyway, the post someone made above the one above this one seems to make good sense to me, and as long as they get the legal benefits a married couple gets, that’s fine by me.

Why? It is not a marriage.

I’m just trying to figure out the real source behind some of the Church’s beliefs

The source is Christ. The Church transmits what is true.