Homosexual marriage

[Flavius_Aetius]

Untrue. Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals. What they want are special rights just for them. By allowing this, we are setting a social seal of approval on immoral behaviors, and moving further from God. Just as an unmarried heterosexual must remain chaste, so must one with homosexual tendencies. The one who has homosexual tendencies has the right to be married heterosexually, just as I do, as God established. If they don’t want to, then they must remain chaste as an unmarried person. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve… right?

Think of the adults as well, but the children being malformed in conscience are a problem as well. Marriage between a man and woman is what God established. We have no moral right to say otherwise. However, those who decide on their own what truth is and is not, then attribute that falsely to God will tell us anything at all… please stop this practice. We as a nation are sanctioning immoral behaviors as though it were a God given sanctified Grace. This is reprehensible, and those who love God will fight against it. You have chosen your side, so don’t be surprised that those who truly obey God will feel that you are an enemy. The enemies of God are trying to pull this country in the wrong direction. Please stop.

Even as a Catholic I can no longer believe in statements such as this; not everyone is Christian and even less are Catholic in the United States. If one does not follow the other teachings of Christ then why should they be expected by law to not be allowed Civil (key word) marriage. Those papers should have absolutely no value to a Catholic spiritually. Now I despise the moral decay that is happening in all the western world, but Homosexual civil marriages are very low on the scale. They have the point of having two consenting people (So no it doesn’t mean we’ll be allowing marriages with minors or Beastiality) It does not harm anyone directly (If you or your child in the future cannot understand that as a Christian you believe that true marriage is between a man and women then I’m afraid someone has failed to teach a Christian education properly.) It is not the governments job to promote our morals, however we as a citizen need to stop the real immorals of our government that actually do kill people (Abortion, Embryonic Stem Cell)

Also to those that say as Catholics our rights shall be taken I say that if it is done then we have the right of revolution thanks to the seperation of Church and State. It should work both ways; the State does not interfere with Church doctrine or force them to do things aganist their belief (Forcing Catholic Hospitals to give or suggest abortions, forcing Catholic adoption agencies to give children up to Homosexual couples, or forcing Churches to accept marriages that are not defined as a true marriage) Obviously Revolution should not be the first option…but if things do come out worst for the Church side of this seperation then we are in the right to retake that right.

Edit: Child Pornography, and Abortion directly harm people! Homosexual marriage should never harm anyone who is heterosexual directly!

 

[apromisemade]

Gardens is correct. The OP was about the nation falling further away from Christian values. It is wrong to say the OP brought it up (referring to how this hurts or doesn’t hurt someone), as that assertion regarding the OP from you is simply not true. You brought up that new issue. You’re very wrong in your line of thinking anyway, so please start another thread if you want to discuss how you misunderstand the salient points.

cargau posed the question “I ask, how does my position to protect marriage hurt gays???” and I gave her an answer. I don’t see why that is so difficult to understand.

 

[MDK]

Even as a Catholic I can no longer believe in statements such as this; not everyone is Christian and even less are Catholic in the United States. If one does not follow the other teachings of Christ then why should they be expected by law to not be allowed Civil (key word) marriage. Those papers should have absolutely no value to a Catholic spiritually. Now I despise the moral decay that is happening in all the western world, but Homosexual civil marriages are very low on the scale. They have the point of having two consenting people (So no it doesn’t mean we’ll be allowing marriages with minors or Beastiality) It does not harm anyone directly (If you or your child in the future cannot understand that as a Christian you believe that true marriage is between a man and women then I’m afraid someone has failed to teach a Christian education properly.) It is not the governments job to promote our morals, however we as a citizen need to stop the real immorals of our government that actually do kill people (Abortion, Embryonic Stem Cell)

Also to those that say as Catholics our rights shall be taken I say that if it is done then we have the right of revolution thanks to the seperation of Church and State. It should work both ways; the State does not interfere with Church doctrine or force them to do things aganist their belief (Forcing Catholic Hospitals to give or suggest abortions, forcing Catholic adoption agencies to give children up to Homosexual couples, or forcing Churches to accept marriages that are not defined as a true marriage) Obviously Revolution should not be the first option…but if things do come out worst for the Church side of this seperation then we are in the right to retake that right.

Edit: Child Pornography, and Abortion directly harm people! Homosexual marriage should never harm anyone who is heterosexual directly!

As a US citizen, you are free to believe as you want, and engage in democracy. If you want to call yourself a Catholic, you are not… there is no democracy there, but we follow the Head of our Church, Who is Christ. So, unfortunately, you are flat out WRONG! You call yourself a Catholic, so you are in name only as far as you’ve exhibited. Please be a real Catholic and follow what the Church teaches.

To be a real Catholic means that we have the Church, the Kingdom of God on earth above any nation. You are confused between what it means to simply be an atheistic American, and what it means to be a Catholic. That you no longer believe this, means to me that you are no longer really Catholic. Please be at least honest and call yourself something else. As a real Catholic, we seek to bring the Kingdom of God everywhere. Otherwise, please don’t pray the Our Father, because by your own words, you don’t believe “Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven”.

As a Catholic in Name Only, you are making your own doctrine anyway, but homosexuality does harm society. If you want to discuss and explore in detail your errant understanding of that, I recommend that you and apromisemade go start a new thread.

 

[MDK]

cargau posed the question “I ask, how does my position to protect marriage hurt gays???” and I gave her an answer. I don’t see why that is so difficult to understand.

Yours is very easy to understand, probably especially to those who don’t understand anything really Heavenly. Those who do understand greater things have a hard time with what you write, but not because they also don’t understand what you said. So… no, you didn’t give a balanced or moral answer to that question. You threw out more erroneous ideas. The question remains, and perhaps you and Flavius can go discuss how you want to put words in God’s mouth on another thread. If anyone who obeys God answers you there, then you will find out more… not that I believe it will make any difference to either of you.

 

[apromisemade]

Think of the adults as well, but the children being malformed in conscience are a problem as well.

You have got to be kidding me.

You say you are trying to, how did you say it…take this country in the right direction.

Children are who they are in that regard, to so flippantly disregard their welfare for the sake of your own convictions is…just…I have no words…I am simply aghast.

You say you’re looking out for society. Well so am I.

There is a generation very angry people from racial minorities in the country because they grew up in a society where they had to fight for the most basic rights of inclusion. The same thing is happening with the homosexual community.

Religion is more of a lifestyle choice than homosexuality will ever be. We live in a country were the voices of all people are meant to be considered by the law with equal weight, regardless of their faith and whatever moral high ground they claim to stand on.

And believe me when I say my exasperation with Christians who like to pretend they still live in pre-Constantine Rome extends beyond the issue of gay marriage.

 

[MDK]

You have got to be kidding me.

You say you are trying to, how did you say it…take this country in the right direction.

Children are who they are in that regard, to so flippantly disregard their welfare for the sake of your own convictions is…just…I have no words…I am simply aghast.

You say you’re looking out for society. Well so am I.

There is a generation very angry people from racial minorities in the country because they grew up in a society where they had to fight for the most basic rights of inclusion. The same thing is happening with the homosexual community.

Religion is more of a lifestyle choice than homosexuality will ever be. We live in a country were the voices of all people are meant to be considered by the law with equal weight, regardless of their faith and whatever moral high ground they claim to stand on.

And believe me when I say my exasperation with Christians who like to pretend they still live in pre-Constantine Rome extends beyond the issue of gay marriage.

It is no surprise that your post presents unlearned ideas and self serving aims, as that is what you’ve displayed thus far otherwise. If you want to form your own religion, then it’s no surprise that you would be exasperated with real Christians who seek God and listen, rather than telling God what He said.

God created us all, and some decide not to acknowledge or to care about Him. An essential point here is that the God who created you has revealed things about Himself, and taught things that you disagree with and argue against. If you care anything about God at all, you will fix this. If you don’t, then we will continue to see the same erroneous thought patterns in your posts.

For instance, Jesus was not simply a man of His time. He was a man for all times. What He taught in the New and Everlasting Covenant is good then, and is good now, and always will be good. Sex between a man and man is wrong, as it is between a woman and another woman. If you don’t like that, you oppose not just me, but you also oppose God. It’s not me that you need to worry about, because I can’t give you eternal life in Heaven.

 

[apromisemade]

It is no surprise that your post presents unlearned ideas and self serving aims, as that is what you’ve displayed thus far otherwise. If you want to form your own religion, then it’s no surprise that you would be exasperated with real Christians who seek God and listen, rather than telling God what He said.

Don’t make personal attacks just because you have nothing substantial to argue with.

 

[MDK]

Don’t make personal attacks just because you have nothing substantial to argue with.

It’s nothing personal. It’s simply the truth. If I were to tell you otherwise, I would be lying.

However, for you to say I have not provided anything substantial is another falsehood. I have referenced and provided the teachings of God. That you say His teachings are not substantial is probably a reason you’re not Catholic, but make your own religion, telling God what He said, rather than listening.

If you actually listen to what I’m telling you, I could be your greatest friend. True friends will tell you the truth. It sounds to me like you either don’t have any of those who do tell you truth, or you don’t listen to them.

 

[MDK]

Even as a Catholic… It is not the governments job to promote our morals, however we as a citizen need to stop the real immorals of our government that actually do kill people (Abortion, Embryonic Stem Cell)…

Christ and subsequently His Church teach to beware more of who and what can damage and kill your soul, so that it ends up not in Heaven, but in Hell. So, endorsing killing the soul by a mortal sin is very wrong. It is our duty as Catholics to bring Catholicism, which is God’s Kingdom on Earth, into all aspects of our lives including our society and the democratic process. To do otherwise is to engage in personal preference over God, which is pride. As a Catholic, we know better, and yet some think they know better than the Church… that they can decide what is moral and immoral, being like God in doing something ourselves which only He has the Divine Right to do. Reminds me of the sin of our first parents. Have we learned nothing since then?

 

[MDK]

…I grew up without prayer in public schools, and with government sponsored religious displays forbidden, so it is a bit difficult for me to relate to being on the verge of anger about these issues. They just seem normal to me. As for the morality of people around you, I guess my attitude is that we are not to judge. I think we should make the right choices for ourselves and help those who want help. But otherwise not take things too personally.

…and should we wonder why so many fall away from God’s One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church? You and all fallen away Catholics are a living examples of why these and other things related to proper formation of moral conscience and of true faith matter.

 

[edwest2]

Honest to goodness I was starting to believe the anti-gay-rights activists and all their pitiful attempts to argue “freedom of religion” and “we’re the victims,” nonesense. Thank heavens I saw the movie “Milk,” it shook me back to my senses.

Three words.

Get…

Over…

Yourself…

In two dozen states right here in the U.S it is still legal to fire somebody from their job soley on the basis of their sexual orientation. In dozens of countries worldwide it is perfectly legal to execute somebody soley basis of their sexual orientation. That nut-job Steven King in the Senate still opposes gay-hate crime legeslation because it would discourage gay people from “keeping things private.” Disgusting. Gay people in America are suffering far worse for the way they were created and born than you ever could for what religion you chosen to follow.

I dare you to come back in a year and cite one significant way your life has been altered because of gay marriage being legalized. And being disagreed with in a newspaper doesn’t count.

How about first graders in the state of Massachussetts being Forced by the State to read a gay story book called King and King? And the parents can’t opt out? What does that have to do with homosexual marriage? It is not a parental notification issue.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Even as a Catholic I can no longer believe in statements such as this; not everyone is Christian and even less are Catholic in the United States. If one does not follow the other teachings of Christ then why should they be expected by law to not be allowed Civil (key word) marriage. Those papers should have absolutely no value to a Catholic spiritually. Now I despise the moral decay that is happening in all the western world, but Homosexual civil marriages are very low on the scale. They have the point of having two consenting people (So no it doesn’t mean we’ll be allowing marriages with minors or Beastiality) It does not harm anyone directly (If you or your child in the future cannot understand that as a Christian you believe that true marriage is between a man and women then I’m afraid someone has failed to teach a Christian education properly.) It is not the governments job to promote our morals, however we as a citizen need to stop the real immorals of our government that actually do kill people (Abortion, Embryonic Stem Cell)

Also to those that say as Catholics our rights shall be taken I say that if it is done then we have the right of revolution thanks to the seperation of Church and State. It should work both ways; the State does not interfere with Church doctrine or force them to do things aganist their belief (Forcing Catholic Hospitals to give or suggest abortions, forcing Catholic adoption agencies to give children up to Homosexual couples, or forcing Churches to accept marriages that are not defined as a true marriage) Obviously Revolution should not be the first option…but if things do come out worst for the Church side of this seperation then we are in the right to retake that right.

Edit: Child Pornography, and Abortion directly harm people! Homosexual marriage should never harm anyone who is heterosexual directly!

Please stop with the “consenting adults” nonsense. If two people consent to beat the **** out of each other is that OK? There are absolute, black and white, truths. Period. Gay “marriage” is 100% against biology.

Peace,
Ed

 

[cor5755]

Honest to goodness I was starting to believe the anti-gay-rights activists and all their pitiful attempts to argue “freedom of religion” and “we’re the victims,” nonesense. Thank heavens I saw the movie “Milk,” it shook me back to my senses.

Three words.

Get…

Over…

Yourself…

In two dozen states right here in the U.S it is still legal to fire somebody from their job soley on the basis of their sexual orientation. In dozens of countries worldwide it is perfectly legal to execute somebody soley basis of their sexual orientation. That nut-job Steven King in the Senate still opposes gay-hate crime legeslation because it would discourage gay people from “keeping things private.” Disgusting. Gay people in America are suffering far worse for the way they were created and born than you ever could for what religion you chosen to follow.

I dare you to come back in a year and cite one significant way your life has been altered because of gay marriage being legalized. And being disagreed with in a newspaper doesn’t count.

GET OVER MYSELF?? Do you have children? Try to answer their questions when they want to know how a man could be having a baby. you dare me to come back in a year and show you how my life was altered because of gay marriage? how about a “man” having a baby? Doesn’t get anymore mixed up than that, expecially to a child trying to understand. If I were to tell you that you had the right and full support of the media and country for that matter, to publically slander, degrade, embarrass and otherwise run into the ground, the reputation of a person who didn’t agree with your point of view, would you agree you had the right to do so? Well, it happened last week when Ms. California expressed her opinion that she believed marriage should be between a man and a woman. Look at the firestorm that kicked up. I guess I am in the world, but not of the world.

 

[cargau]

Aaaannd?? . That still begs the question of how it hurts anybody. Anti-gay rights activists love to make this broad, vague statement about how it will erode society and dilute the family but fail go give specifics. At least feasible ones.

This kind of attitude is exactly why I so adamatly support homosexuals having the same rights as anyother dignified human being. To act like the next step would be man marrying animals is to imply that gays are a step down from being human. Heterosexuals have done a perfectly fine job of mangeling marriage and family all on their own. If it’s really the family you care about, why are you not pouring just as much energy into reducing the divorce rate as it is right now between straight couples as you are of depriving gay couples of even a 50/50 chance at the same peace and stability straight people are perfectly free to obtain and discard on a whim.

You reject the very real potential for causing harm to society. When the pill became available in the 60’s, no one thought that there was anty harm in that either. Still, the Church remained steadfast in its opposition to the use of artifical birth control. Today, many of the same western countries that embraced the use of ABC’s failed to realize the consequences of its use. Many societies will fall away being replaced by cultures that rejected such methods.

I cannot foresee all of the potential problems associated with gay marriage. All I know is that marriage is not a right, it is a calling, a vocation. When 2 gay men or 2 women decide to “be together”, calling it marriage is rediculous because it is a lie. If a brother and sister fell in love, I would not consider their proposed union eligible for marriage either.

I believe that you are genuinely compassionate and well meaning. I think most folks who favor gay marriage are good people. I do, however, believe that we must look deeply at what marriage is, where it came from and what it’s inteded purpose is and then decide rationally if gay marriage is really a goof fit. Does it really meet the conditions for the form of the state of marriage?

As far as the economic and sociotal benefits associated with marriage, gays can have a civil union that assures those benefits for them. Please, don’t allow this to the be raised to the level of marriage…

I simply reiterate what I said above.

How charitable of you.

If things stay the way they are now, there are rights, freedoms, and securities straight people will have that gay people will not. If gay people are allowed to marry, it will take absolutely nothing away from the straight community. It’s not like something is being taken from one group and given to another, it is merely being expanded.

You guys always say “think of the children.” Your position to “protect marriage” hurts gays because, I gaurantee you, it causes a gay child somewhere to grow up bitter and angry because he lives in a society that is indirectly and directly telling him every day that he is below everyone else because he is different.

No, I think children will beome confused when trying to develop an understanding of God’s plan for procreation. People do all sorts of things that are un-natural (and gay sex is un-natural). That doesn’t mean we raise it to a level of normalcy.

 

[MDK]

Even as a Catholic I can no longer believe in statements such as this; not everyone is Christian and even less are Catholic in the United States. If one does not follow the other teachings of Christ then why should they be expected by law to not be allowed Civil (key word) marriage. Those papers should have absolutely no value to a Catholic spiritually. Now I despise the moral decay that is happening in all the western world, but Homosexual civil marriages are very low on the scale. They have the point of having two consenting people (So no it doesn’t mean we’ll be allowing marriages with minors or Beastiality) It does not harm anyone directly (If you or your child in the future cannot understand that as a Christian you believe that true marriage is between a man and women then I’m afraid someone has failed to teach a Christian education properly.) It is not the governments job to promote our morals, however we as a citizen need to stop the real immorals of our government that actually do kill people (Abortion, Embryonic Stem Cell)

Also to those that say as Catholics our rights shall be taken I say that if it is done then we have the right of revolution thanks to the seperation of Church and State. It should work both ways; the State does not interfere with Church doctrine or force them to do things aganist their belief (Forcing Catholic Hospitals to give or suggest abortions, forcing Catholic adoption agencies to give children up to Homosexual couples, or forcing Churches to accept marriages that are not defined as a true marriage) Obviously Revolution should not be the first option…but if things do come out worst for the Church side of this seperation then we are in the right to retake that right.

Edit: Child Pornography, and Abortion directly harm people! Homosexual marriage should never harm anyone who is heterosexual directly!

As a US citizen, you are free to believe as you want, and engage in democracy. If you want to believe and behave as a Catholic, you are not free to do so in the Church… as there is no democracy in God’s Church, but we follow the Head of our Church, Who is Christ the King. So, unfortunately, according to the Church you claim membership in, your view is flat out wrong! What good is it to call ourselves Catholic, but believe and behave in ways that are not Catholic? Please consider genuinely to follow the Catholic teachings on homosexuality, and all other teachings in faith and morals which have never been in error. Which is of higher importance to you in this regard, the slavery of sin due to improper legal “freedoms” in the US, or the true freedom of uniting our will with God’s as taught in God’s One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church?

To really be Catholic means that we have the Church, the Kingdom of God on earth above any nation. We must not confuse what it means to simply be an atheistic American, and what it means to be a Catholic. As a real Catholic, we seek to bring the Kingdom of God everywhere. When we pray the Our Father, it specifically includes “Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven”.

Of course, you can go against Church teachings if you choose, but homosexuality does harm society. If you want to discuss and explore in more detail your errant understanding of this Church teaching, I recommend that you and apromisemade go start a new thread.

 

[Lemonpoptart]

Untrue. Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals. What they want are special rights just for them. By allowing this, we are setting a social seal of approval on immoral behaviors, and moving further from God. Just as an unmarried heterosexual must remain chaste, so must one with homosexual tendencies. The one who has homosexual tendencies has the right to be married heterosexually, just as I do, as God established. If they don’t want to, then they must remain chaste as an unmarried person. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve… right?

Think of the adults as well, but the children being malformed in conscience are a problem as well. Marriage between a man and woman is what God established. We have no moral right to say otherwise. However, those who decide on their own what truth is and is not, then attribute that falsely to God will tell us anything at all… please stop this practice. We as a nation are sanctioning immoral behaviors as though it were a God given sanctified Grace. This is reprehensible, and those who love God will fight against it. You have chosen your side, so don’t be surprised that those who truly obey God will feel that you are an enemy. The enemies of God are trying to pull this country in the wrong direction. Please stop.

AMEN!!!

 

[elts1956]

The problem is that this is your interpretation of God’s law - not everyone agrees with you. There are many Christians who disagree, and of course, plenty of non-Christians as well. And that’s just it - you see, we live in a country where it is illegal to force your religious beliefs on another, regarldess of the fact that you think you have some sort of divine right to do so. In the past that same belief led to persections, wars, and executions. Indeed, in other parts of the world other religions use that same “divine right to punish those who offend” their version of god to execute a wide variety of folks, gays included. But in the US we frown on this. We are not a theocracy - and you should be glad since the odds of us being a Catholic theocracy are nil. There are folks, as you well no, the in the US who feel God has clearly pointed out that Catholics are evil. Should we let these folks dictate public policy?

“What is truth”? I think a well remembered person said that at a trial a couple of thousand years ago. What he didn’t realize is, there can be only one Truth, only one. If not, ALL truths are lies.

 

[AJSB1986]

Pardon me for just hopping in to this thread without reading -all- of it. Read some of the first and last pages. If I miss anything important or point out something that has already been stated in the intervening pages, my deepest apologies.

Gay “marriage” is 100% against biology.

Peace,
Ed

Funny, I do believe you happen to be wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior And if you wanna argue that’s homosexual relationships and not homosexual marriage, then please do show me marriage in biology.

GET OVER MYSELF?? Do you have children? Try to answer their questions when they want to know how a man could be having a baby. you dare me to come back in a year and show you how my life was altered because of gay marriage? how about a “man” having a baby? Doesn’t get anymore mixed up than that, expecially to a child trying to understand. If I were to tell you that you had the right and full support of the media and country for that matter, to publically slander, degrade, embarrass and otherwise run into the ground, the reputation of a person who didn’t agree with your point of view, would you agree you had the right to do so? Well, it happened last week when Ms. California expressed her opinion that she believed marriage should be between a man and a woman. Look at the firestorm that kicked up. I guess I am in the world, but not of the world.

Do you go into detail about how a man and a woman have babies to your children? Do you go into detail about why infertile mommies cannot have children? I don’t see why two men being married should be any more complicated to explain then a woman who’s had her reproductive capacity cut short by cancer or something. And Ms. California had every right to voice her opinion, and she also has every right to have people respond to her opinion. Just because she has free speech does not mean she’s free to ignore responses.

Untrue. Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals. What they want are special rights just for them. By allowing this, we are setting a social seal of approval on immoral behaviors, and moving further from God. Just as an unmarried heterosexual must remain chaste, so must one with homosexual tendencies. The one who has homosexual tendencies has the right to be married heterosexually, just as I do, as God established. If they don’t want to, then they must remain chaste as an unmarried person. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve… right?

Think of the adults as well, but the children being malformed in conscience are a problem as well. Marriage between a man and woman is what God established. We have no moral right to say otherwise. However, those who decide on their own what truth is and is not, then attribute that falsely to God will tell us anything at all… please stop this practice. We as a nation are sanctioning immoral behaviors as though it were a God given sanctified Grace. This is reprehensible, and those who love God will fight against it. You have chosen your side, so don’t be surprised that those who truly obey God will feel that you are an enemy. The enemies of God are trying to pull this country in the wrong direction. Please stop.

So by the same logic, laws against inter-racial marriage were fine because blacks and whites had the same rights? I could marry others of my own race, and they could marry others of their own race. We had the same rights. And those silly race mixers just wanted special rights! Right?

And no one, at least no one I know of, is asking you to view this as a perfectly moral religious ceremony. People want the ability to be united by the same legal threads that heterosexual couples enjoy.

 

[jean8]

Please stop with the “consenting adults” nonsense. If two people consent to beat the **** out of each other is that OK? There are absolute, black and white, truths. Period. Gay “marriage” is 100% against biology.

Peace,
Ed

Gay marriage? There is no such thing.
God calls homosexuality a perversion. Rom.1:18-28, Lev.18:22
The Lord destroyed an entire city because of this sin.

The USA is fast becoming a heathen nation. They have condoned abortion which is now called ‘pro-choice’ Translation, ‘killing the unborn’
People have voted in a liberal minded president to make sure homosexual marriage will be legal and the killing of the unborn as well.
Did you vote for him? I don’t think any person claiming to be a christian should vote for such a person.

Lets pray about this,
jean

 

[jean8]

Please stop with the “consenting adults” nonsense. If two people consent to beat the **** out of each other is that OK? There are absolute, black and white, truths. Period. Gay “marriage” is 100% against biology.

Peace,
Ed

Homosexuality certainly does the harm the parents of the child who has chosen this lifestyle.
Christian parents know this is a sin which God hates.
To be fair about sexual issues, sex before marriage is a sin also.

God have mercy,
jean