Homosexual politics?

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The revision of doctrine is after all no shame, quite the contrary actually.
Because every time the children of the holy mother church recognize that the teachings should be revised they get a step closer to the truth, their creator, and the redemption of all benevolent people on God’s good earth"

How do we know that revision of doctrine would lead us closer to truth, not further from it? If we are in error now, how, in fact, do we know what is right and what is wrong, where we’ve been in error and where we haven’t been in error?

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

How do we know that revision of doctrine would lead us closer to truth, not further from it? If we are in error now, how, in fact, do we know what is right and what is wrong, where we’ve been in error and where we haven’t been in error?

We don’t, we just have to pray that we do.
I did, for a whole year.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

“anyone who has beliefs that I don’t agree with”

So its just name calling?

 

[Seeker1961]

So its just name calling?

I was being snarky, but in my experience here, the “cafeteria” in someone else’s eye is a lot easier to see than the “cafeteria” in our own.

Depending on the issue, CAF Catholics either demand complete literal interpretation and obedience of Scripture and the words of the Pope and Bishops…or they don’t.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

I was being snarky, but in my experience here, the “cafeteria” in someone else’s eye is a lot easier to see than the “cafeteria” in our own.

Depending on the issue, CAF Catholics either demand complete literal interpretation and obedience of Scripture and the words of the Pope and Bishops…or they don’t.

Thats sounds like Ultramontanism
And even the holy father can be wrong you know.
Like Honorius I for example.

As long as one does reject a dogma that is part of the core beliefs it is fine.
For example, the belief in the Holy Trinity, the dual nature of Jesus, Mary as the Mother of God, etc.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Lucius

Concerning Saint Paul you said:
**
I am just saying his words are misinterpreted.
In Greece at the time it was considered normal for a man to take a boy as a lover, so he was speaking about pedophilia and rape.
That is what ST Paul was condemning, and that is an abomination.**

Where did you get your Masters in Theology?

Would you cite a mainstream Catholic theologian who confirms the above?

 

[Seeker1961]

Thats sounds like Ultramontanism
And even the holy father can be wrong you know.
Like Honorius I for example.

As long as one does reject a dogma that is part of the core beliefs it is fine.
For example, the belief in the Holy Trinity, the dual nature of Jesus, Mary as the Mother of God, etc.

That’s what I’ve learned from actual Priests in the real world, in real churches, real universities and real confessionals.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I am just saying his words are misinterpreted.
In Greece at the time it was considered normal for a man to take a boy as a lover, so he was speaking about pedophilia and rape.
That is what ST Paul was condemning, and that is an abomination.

"Remember my brothers and sisters, the founder of holy mother church might be irrefutable, the human interpretation of its clergy is still anything but, and this is the reason why in the past teachings where revised by them where it was necessary, Such as the case of usury which was officially condemned and forbidden in the Third Lateran Council in 1179 AD, and later removed by Pope Benedict XIV in 1745 AD.

(Before that Catholics where banned from lending out money at interest)

The revision of doctrine is after all no shame, quite the contrary actually.
Because every time the children of the holy mother church recognize that the teachings should be revised they get a step closer to the truth, their creator, and the redemption of all benevolent people on God’s good earth"

Actually that’s because the nature of loans changed, charging someone interest to buy food was and still is morally wrong, the difference is that by Pope Benedict XIV’s time people wanted to borrow money to invest to make more money which is not immoral.

 

[andrewstx]

Ok, what is a Cafeteria Catholic?

A “Catholic” who picks and chooses what to beleive, one who agrees with the Majesterium and Holy Father only when it suits him.

 

[Incomplete]

We don’t, we just have to pray that we do.
I did, for a whole year.

I know a lot of good, prayerful people who pray the same, and all come up with different answers. So you’re saying we really can’t know truth. So if we have some truths, and some things we think are truths aren’t, and we can’t know which is actually truth and which is not, what good is truth?

Jesus said He was sending the Holy Spirit to lead us to truth. So I would assume we have a way to know. And it’s not just to pray about it, or all people who truly want to know truth and pray about it would come to the same conclusions.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

So we should just blind do as we are told?, that is not what i have been taught!
I have send an e mail to a priest and he replied that it is of if one has a conflicting opinion.
For as long as one does not reject parts of the creed.
For example, the belief in the Holy Trinity, the dual nature of Jesus, Mary as the Mother of God, etc.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

A “Catholic” who picks and chooses what to beleive, one who agrees with the Majesterium and Holy Father only when it suits him.

1. It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.
   vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

Actually that’s because the nature of loans changed, charging someone interest to buy food was and still is morally wrong, the difference is that by Pope Benedict XIV’s time people wanted to borrow money to invest to make more money which is not immoral.

All forms of interest where banned before Third Lateran Council in 1179 AD.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

And i find that there are a lot of introvert catholics, and pseudo-inquisitors here…

 

[Incomplete]

So we should just blind do as we are told?, that is not what i have been taught!
I have send an e mail to a priest and he replied that it is of if one has a conflicting opinion.
For as long as one does not reject parts of the creed.
For example, the belief in the Holy Trinity, the dual nature of Jesus, Mary as the Mother of God, etc.

But if it’s just opinion, how do we even know the Creed is true?

No, I wouldn’t say just blindly follow. I would say search to see who has the truth, but not because its things you believe, but because it makes sense that God must have left a way for us to find it. For me, that means looking at history…who was here when Jesus established His church? And then to look and see who has made changes.

But if it’s about our own opinion, there is no way to know truth. And if your priest says that it’s not Catholic doctrine if it’s not in the creed, then he’s not being accurate. I rather doubt that’s what he’s saying.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Lucius

So we should just blind do as we are told?, that is not what i have been taught!

Did someone teach you to challenge the teachings of the Church? Who?

Are you surrounded by Protestants, who first began protesting the teachings of the Church?

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

Lucius

So we should just blind do as we are told?, that is not what i have been taught!

Did someone teach you to challenge the teachings of the Church? Who?

Are you surrounded by Protestants, who first began protesting the teachings of the Church?

See, this is the problem, you are so conceited that you just assume to be right per definition.
A few moths ago i send a e mail to a very well known priest in the Netherlands in which i asked whether one catholic is allowed to have his opinion about the catholic faith and he replied yes.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

But if it’s just opinion, how do we even know the Creed is true?

No, I wouldn’t say just blindly follow. I would say search to see who has the truth, but not because its things you believe, but because it makes sense that God must have left a way for us to find it. For me, that means looking at history…who was here when Jesus established His church? And then to look and see who has made changes.

But if it’s about our own opinion, there is no way to know truth. And if your priest says that it’s not Catholic doctrine if it’s not in the creed, then he’s not being accurate. I rather doubt that’s what he’s saying.

I am only saying that if it where up to me i would change things, that is all.
Everything else is just me explaining why.
And it would help if you people where a little bit more understanding and a little less aggressive.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

**See, this is the problem, you are so conceited that you just assume to be right per definition.
A few moths ago i send a e mail to a very well known priest in the Netherlands in which i asked whether one catholic is allowed to have his opinion about the catholic faith and he replied yes. **

He told you that as a Catholic it is all right for you to disagree with the teachings of the Church?

What is this priest’s name? I need to contact his bishop.

 

[fix]

See, this is the problem, you are so conceited that you just assume to be right per definition.
A few moths ago i send a e mail to a very well known priest in the Netherlands in which i asked whether one catholic is allowed to have his opinion about the catholic faith and he replied yes.

This is the standard you use?