Homosexual programs in Churches

[PetersKeys]

newwaysministry.org/

Is this a real church? or is it in schism?.. I know places like Catholics for a free choice is excommunicated, but is this? I has alot of people on there who support same sex marriage and even a priest

 

[v3orb]

Their own description about themselves:

New Ways Ministry provides a gay-positive ministry of advocacy and justice for lesbian and gay Catholics and reconciliation within the larger Christian and civil communities.* Through research, publication and education about homosexuality, we foster dialogue among groups and individuals, identify and combat personal and structural homophobia, work for changes in attitudes and promote the acceptance of gay and lesbian people as full and equal members of church and society.*

                    New Ways Ministry affirms the 1973 professional judgment of the American Psychiatric Association that homosexuality in and of itself is neither a mental or emotional illness. Consequently, *we seek to eradicate myths and sterotypes about gay and lesbian persons, support civil and human rights and provide support for families and friends*.

 

[PetersKeys]

Its says here:

In 1999, the Vatican’s Congregation for Doctrine of the Faith, then led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (who is now the Pope), issued an edict ordering Sr Jeannine to shut down her New Ways Ministry, a Catholic centre working for the justice and reconciliation of gays within the Church.

This here disturbed me:

"Me, the good little nun that I am, said, ‘Once you’re Roman Catholic, you’re always Roman Catholic’. He said he would love to go to a Catholic Mass, but he didn’t feel welcome, so instead we celebrated a Roman Catholic Mass at his apartment for him and his gay friends and that’s what we did every week," she recalls.

timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080316/local/the-unlikely-rebel

I notice it has Call to Action and COR in its links also.

 

[Dale_M]

I know places like Catholics for a free choice is excommunicated, but is this?

Actually, the excommunication which made the news only applies in one diocese - that of Lincoln, Nebraska, USA. It is valid there because the bishop issued it. The Vatican, some years later, affirmed his decision, but didn’t extend it to other dioceses.

New Ways Ministry is an organization of Catholics, but yes they are opposed to most of the Church’s teachings on homosexuality. While the Pope is visiting the US, they plan on holding press conference and presenting to the Vatican Embassy letters from individual Catholics decrying the Church’s position.
washblade.com/2008/3-7/news/national/12158.cfm

 

[1ke]

Sr. Jean Grammick and Fr. Robert Nugent are both under censure by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. They are not allowed to do any homosexual ministry or to speak about it.

Sr. Grammick remains openly defiant. Fr. Nugent submitted obediently to the Church’s decision.

 

[PetersKeys]

Actually, the excommunication which made the news only applies in one diocese - that of Lincoln, Nebraska, USA. It is valid there because the bishop issued it. The Vatican, some years later, affirmed his decision, but didn’t extend it to other dioceses.

New Ways Ministry is an organization of Catholics, but yes they are opposed to most of the Church’s teachings on homosexuality. While the Pope is visiting the US, they plan on holding press conference and presenting to the Vatican Embassy letters from individual Catholics decrying the Church’s position.
washblade.com/2008/3-7/news/national/12158.cfm

What do they expect the Pope to do? Change an infallible doctrine?

Yes I found the document about it

ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/nugent.htm

 

[East_and_West]

What do they expect the Pope to do? Change an infallible doctrine?

Yes I found the document about it

ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/nugent.htm

Actually, neither the Church nor the Pope have made an infallibile declaration concerning the immorality of homosexuality. However, we are still to follow all the teachings of the Church, even those not raised to the level of a de fide statement as per the Second Vatican Council. Furthermore, we can find the prohibition against homosexuality in the Scriptures, Encyclicals, Chruch Fathers, Unanimoous Teachings of the magesterium, and in the light of natural reason.

 

[rpp]

Actually, neither the Church nor the Pope have made an infallibile declaration concerning the immorality of homosexuality. However, we are still to follow all the teachings of the Church, even those not raised to the level of a de fide statement as per the Second Vatican Council. Furthermore, we can find the prohibition against homosexuality in the Scriptures, Encyclicals, Chruch Fathers, Unanimoous Teachings of the magesterium, and in the light of natural reason.

The statement in bold above is not entirely correct.

From the Catechism.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, 141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” 142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

I think another way of interpreting the phrase “grave depravity” is something that means “more sinful than sin”.

In addition,

1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel, 139 the sin of the Sodomites, 140 the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, 141 the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan, 142 injustice to the wage earner. 143

“sin of Sodom” has always (with the exception of a handful of modern pro-homosexual commentators) been interpreted to mean homosexual activity.

We can see here that homosexual inclinations, while not sinful in themselves, are intrinsically disordered. Homosexual acts are sinful and gravely depraved.

 

[East_and_West]

The statement in bold above is not entirely correct.

From the Catechism.

I think another way of interpreting the phrase “grave depravity” is something that means “more sinful than sin”.

In addition,

“sin of Sodom” has always (with the exception of a handful of modern pro-homosexual commentators) been interpreted to mean homosexual activity.

We can see here that homosexual inclinations, while not sinful in themselves, are intrinsically disordered. Homosexual acts are sinful and gravely depraved.

I agree with you that homosexual activity is immoral but, just for your information, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not infallible. Although, the Catechism is not in error, it does not fall under the charism of infallbility.

 

[rpp]

I agree with you that homosexual activity is immoral but, just for your information, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not infallible. Although, the Catechism is not in error, it does not fall under the charism of infallbility.

Perhaps not, but the Bible certainly is. As you yourself mentioned.

Statements like the one you have made run the serious risk of confusing people and making them think that perhaps the Church will change her mind. That is seriously wrong. There is a long record of people being interdicted for openly advocating same-sex relations. The Church most assuredly teaches as part of her unchangeable and infallible teachings that homosexual acts are wrong.

 

[Holly3278]

Actually, the excommunication which made the news only applies in one diocese - that of Lincoln, Nebraska, USA. It is valid there because the bishop issued it. The Vatican, some years later, affirmed his decision, but didn’t extend it to other dioceses.

New Ways Ministry is an organization of Catholics, but yes they are opposed to most of the Church’s teachings on homosexuality. While the Pope is visiting the US, they plan on holding press conference and presenting to the Vatican Embassy letters from individual Catholics decrying the Church’s position.
washblade.com/2008/3-7/news/national/12158.cfm

Do these people not realize that they will never get what they are wanting? I mean come on! The Church his never going to fall to Satan and these people are working for Satan! I am speaking of the homosexual activists of course by the way.

 

[Teen4Christ]

Do these people not realize that they will never get what they are wanting? I mean come on! The Church his never going to fall to Satan and these people are working for Satan! I am speaking of the hate spreading homophobes of course by the way.

Fixed

 

[East_and_West]

Perhaps not, but the Bible certainly is. As you yourself mentioned.

Statements like the one you have made run the serious risk of confusing people and making them think that perhaps the Church will change her mind. That is seriously wrong. There is a long record of people being interdicted for openly advocating same-sex relations. The Church most assuredly teaches as part of her unchangeable and infallible teachings that homosexual acts are wrong.

We can agree that homosexual acts are gravely disordered, moral unacceptable, and mortally sinful without lying about whether or not the charism of infallibility has ever been exercised in declaring them to be so wrong. We should always hold ourselves to the highest level of intellectual honesty. So, please refrain from using the “its an infallible” teaching arguement when it is not. Rather, use the arguement that it is agains the teachings of the Church, Scriptures, Fathers, and Natural Law.
Such things are unchanging even though the Charism of infallibility has not been invoked.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Fixed

Both the people who spread hate and the people who insist that practicing homosexuals are committing no sin are wrong. It isn’t an either or, its a both and.

FYI very few people are afraid of homosexuality (as homophobe implies).

 

[v3orb]

Homophobia doesn’t relate to an actual fear of gays. If it did, then whenever a gay guy walked past, you’d see people run and hide. Homophobia is a term that refers to a non-homosexual person’s disgust at gays.

 

[Teen4Christ]

Homophobia doesn’t relate to an actual fear of gays. If it did, then whenever a gay guy walked past, you’d see people run and hide. Homophobia is a term that refers to a non-homosexual person’s disgust at gays.

Yes, homophobia is a disorder that causes one to have an irrational hatred of gays and or gay acts.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Homophobia doesn’t relate to an actual fear of gays. If it did, then whenever a gay guy walked past, you’d see people run and hide. Homophobia is a term that refers to a non-homosexual person’s disgust at gays.

So is arachnophobia a disgust of spiders and all arachnid related things?

Phobia, from the Greek phobos, meaning fear.

I am not phobic towards homosexuals, and I am no more disgusted with gays than with myself for all my various sins. Am I a homophobic by your definition?

 

[LRThunder]

Yes, homophobia is a disorder that causes one to have an irrational hatred of gays and or gay acts.

I agree we shouldn’t hate homosexuals (the people), but we should not tolerate their actions anymore than we should tolerate murders, lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, etc.

We can show a loving and Christian attitude toward the sinner without tolerating their sin. Being opposed to one’s sin doesn’t make that person a “…phobic.”

 

[Teen4Christ]

I agree we shouldn’t hate homosexuals (the people), but we should not tolerate their actions anymore than we should tolerate murders, lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, etc.

We can show a loving and Christian attitude toward the sinner without tolerating their sin. Being opposed to one’s sin doesn’t make that person a “…phobic.”

I agree with you that being opposed to homosexuality dosen’t make you a homophobe. But hatefully condemning it does.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I agree with you that being opposed to homosexuality dosen’t make you a homophobe. But hatefully condemning it does.

What constitutes hateful condemnation?