Homosexual Relationships

[truagape]

And how many homosexuals get to be involved in this kind of relationship. You and I both know how incredibly mesed up the homosexual community is and that MOST guys cheat, carry on internet relationships, and want to partake in all kinds of filth. I know. I was there. I saw what they wanted. I tried to be the gay and a good Catholic but I realized that for the most part the homosexual community is devoid of all moral decency.
So, although you feel happy now, wait until your “partner” gets bored with you.

This is exactly what happenswhen the bible is misapplied and used as an unbearable weapon. Gays, escaping the pain, reject gos, thinking god has rejected them. In turn they miss out on all of the wonderful blessings and christian princples that can be had with a relationship with Christ. It’s a shame when some use the Bible to stumble others!

 

[sawman]

I too have tried to apply the Church’s teaching on this topic and I admit it is very difficult for me. First, the immorality of the act, I think, is easiest to understand.I am not at all inclined as a homosexual but I can understand sexual attraction and temptation.As a heterosexual,I am called to live in chastity.I must refrain from sexual sin.As a married man, there is plenty of temptation,believe me.I have a choise though, to act in accord with my convictions or not.It is not easy.Where I have my greatest difficulty is with charity,and mercy.God, in His great love and mercy,has forgiven me every time I have asked Him to.How could I do any less? Even less behave uncharitably toward those who are so in need of His mercy?Acting in charity and upholding the truth are two very difficult tasks we have been given as Christians.I hope my two cents worth is a help,if not ,forget about it.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Did you know there are no special “gay” rules? The ban on sex is the same for heterosexuals- sex in marriage only. When a man cheats on his marriage it is the same whether he was with a man or a woman.

…I just can’t see how denying someone a companion is right…, but if two people of the same sex are in love and enjoy each other’s company, why would God disapprove of that? Doesn’t he want us to love one another?

a non sexual relationship is not a moral issue

I have one gay friend whom I hang out with every so often. He doesn’t have the greatest life, he’s in debt, smokes pot and takes other drugs, but he’s a human…and he has attractions to different people. Sometimes the people he is attracted to reject him and he becomes depressed. He seems much more happy when he has found someone as a companion, even if it is temporarily. I just don’t understand how this could be so wrong. It might be strange or unusual, but I don’t think that people should be denied love. Please help me understand this…

You are very close in this paragraph. This person has some problems and will only be happy if they can change their condition. (Not SSA but debt, drugs, pot, depression) Same is true for the rest of us. No husband makes a wife, no wife makes a husband. That is why the Church is slow to marry parishners, we want them to understand what makes a husband and wife before they marry. If the person you speak of is looking for someone to fix them it will never happen, they must fix them self or remain broken. That is the only 2 options.

 

[truagape]

I too have tried to apply the Church’s teaching on this topic and I admit it is very difficult for me. First, the immorality of the act, I think, is easiest to understand.I am not at all inclined as a homosexual but I can understand sexual attraction and temptation.As a heterosexual,I am called to live in chastity.I must refrain from sexual sin.As a married man, there is plenty of temptation,believe me.I have a choise though, to act in accord with my convictions or not.It is not easy.Where I have my greatest difficulty is with charity,and mercy.God, in His great love and mercy,has forgiven me every time I have asked Him to.How could I do any less? Even less behave uncharitably toward those who are so in need of His mercy?Acting in charity and upholding the truth are two very difficult tasks we have been given as Christians.I hope my two cents worth is a help,if not ,forget about it.

I know you’re not comparing being committed to the one whom you vowed to be your partner to the same thing has being denied of that same commitment alltogether are you? Because the two aren’t even remotely similar!

 

[truagape]

I did a lot of hard thinking and praying after that, and I came to understand that God doesn’t ask from homosexual persons any more than He asks from the rest of us. He asks every person to save sexual activity for marriage because that is what He created it for. God bless you.

If you really think this then you have no problem denying yourself marriage for life, or forcing yourself to be attracted to the same sex for life. I am sure you just can’t wait to get started! Right?

 

[joseph_virgen]

and God said" let us make man in our image." that implies that the image of God is holy. the question becomes who benefits from having God’s image perverted?

you are correct, the fallen one. it is his way of avenging his status with the most Holy.

the accuser is not given power to destroy God’s image outright, but he certainly can pervert it in the most vile way imaginable.

the next question becomes, how do we make the perverted image holy again. the answer is simple. go back to the source of its creation, GOD.

praying and fasting is a good start.

 

[blessedtoo]

For me,

This issue contributed to my sabattical from the Church for 30 plus years. I could not understand how the love I feel for a same gendered person could be bad, because it truly feels like it is “good” and “from God”. And I know that God loves me so I thought the Church must be wrong.

After struggling unsuccessfully to “belong” to other Christian churches for a number of years, attending church services and then going home and watching EWTN, I realized that I am Catholic through and through and I needed to return home. I chose to accept the Church’s teachings on homosexuality and masturbation without waiting to understand them. I need the Church far more than I need to participate in either.

I am overjoyed to be home, participating in my church is incredibly wonderful and I am very happy today.

God bless you. You will find friends here who have taken similar journeys. Glad to have you here!

 

[Safe_Eagle]

I think you have to understand what love is. True love finds its root and foundation in the love of Christ. Many homosexuals display great natural virtue. As with all people. But we have to understand that this kind of disordered affection is a great offense against God. Be a light to your homosexual friends. Share Christ with them. Personally I wouldn’t keep company with someone in obvious mortal sin. There can be many dangers. I can speak from experience on this one. And from what is inferred from your post, don’t let misguided compasion take hold. The danger, in my opinion, can be apostasy from the true faith.

Don’t forget to pray for them. But I wouldn’t keep company with them. Yes, I know they’re very nice people. Get a hold of some Catholic friends.

 

[Migueliones]

I think you have to understand what love is. True love finds its root and foundation in the love of Christ. Many homosexuals display great natural virtue. As with all people. But we have to understand that this kind of disordered affection is a great offense against God. Be a light to your homosexual friends. Share Christ with them. Personally I wouldn’t keep company with someone in obvious mortal sin. There can be many dangers. I can speak from experience on this one. And from what is inferred from your post, don’t let misguided compasion take hold. The danger, in my opinion, can be apostasy from the true faith.

Don’t forget to pray for them. But I wouldn’t keep company with them. Yes, I know they’re very nice people. Get a hold of some Catholic friends.

So non-Christians can’t love?

 

[sawman]

I know you’re not comparing being committed to the one whom you vowed to be your partner to the same thing has being denied of that same commitment alltogether are you? Because the two aren’t even remotely similar!

I was not comparing anything. I was saying that as followers of Christ we are all called to the same standard of behavior,perfection.Weall have our crosses to bear.It is immpossible to compare in an objective way the suffering and struggles of one person with another.We do not have the perspective or right to do that. The homhsexual and the heterosexual are both called to the same chaste life,The married the unmarried.The temptation to sin is universal all are tempted and all have fallen.Homosexual sin is no different than heterosexual sin. I hope that claifies,if not,ignore it.God bless.

 

[fellowChristian]

**Matthew 10:38 **

"And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

**Mark 8:34 **

And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

**Luke 9:23 **

And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

**Luke 14:27 **

"Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

**Romans 5:3 **

And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;

**Romans 8:17-18 **
17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

**Philippians 1:29 **

For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

**Philippians 3:10 **
that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;

2 Timothy 2
Be Strong
1You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

3 Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.

4 No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier.

It is a choice,He gave us freewill.
This is your mission if you chose to accept it.

**1 Peter 2:21 **
Christ Is Our Example

For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

1 Peter 4
Keep Fervent in Your Love
1 Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,

2 so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.

No one said it would be easy. And it’s not.

I have to die to myself daily if I want to follow Him. I do want to follow Him. I want to please Him and show Him I love Him by following Him.
How do I follow Him?
By listening to His Word and His Church.

He is the Word.He is the Church.

.

 

[Daddums]

Don’t forget to pray for them. But I wouldn’t keep company with them. Yes, I know they’re very nice people. Get a hold of some Catholic friends.

Grave sin of a sexual nature is now so common that not keeping company with such sinners is no longer possible. Even if it were, I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. I know very few people who have even tried to live their lives chastely. I’m not sure what the answer is, but I don’t think avoiding everyone is it.

Daddums

 

[truagape]

I was not comparing anything. I was saying that as followers of Christ we are all called to the same standard of behavior,perfection.Weall have our crosses to bear.It is immpossible to compare in an objective way the suffering and struggles of one person with another.We do not have the perspective or right to do that. The homhsexual and the heterosexual are both called to the same chaste life,The married the unmarried.The temptation to sin is universal all are tempted and all have fallen.Homosexual sin is no different than heterosexual sin. I hope that claifies,if not,ignore it.God bless.

For now, I’ll just ignore it. Because the only thing you have clarified is that you are far from understanding the difference between a chaste homosexual and a chaste heterosexual. One of these two, by your definition, is beyond inhumane!

 

[sawman]

For now, I’ll just ignore it. Because the only thing you have clarified is that you are far from understanding the difference between a chaste homosexual and a chaste heterosexual. One of these two, by your definition, is beyond inhumane!

I am not trying to provoke,but are you seriously suggesting that homosexual chastity is impossible?That it is more heroic than heterosexual chastity?That homosexuals can’t possibly be expected to live in contenance?I’m sorry if I offended you.

 

[Kitteh]

I think you have to understand what love is. True love finds its root and foundation in the love of Christ. Many homosexuals display great natural virtue. As with all people. But we have to understand that this kind of disordered affection is a great offense against God. Be a light to your homosexual friends. Share Christ with them. Personally I wouldn’t keep company with someone in obvious mortal sin. There can be many dangers. I can speak from experience on this one. And from what is inferred from your post, don’t let misguided compasion take hold. The danger, in my opinion, can be apostasy from the true faith.

Don’t forget to pray for them. But I wouldn’t keep company with them. Yes, I know they’re very nice people. Get a hold of some Catholic friends.

Well I know every person at the conservatory I attend here, and none of them are Catholic. I’ll be here for 2 years. I have a lot of great friends, but they’re not Catholic. There was one classmate I had last semester who was an adamant Christan but she was a disrespectful brat. Luckily she left.

I don’t know why you said “don’t keep company with someone in mortal sin” if my friend is NOT in mortal sin. He’s not Catholic, he doesn’t know what mortal sin is. How can he be in mortal sin if he does not know what it is? Doesn’t mortal sin require full knowledge too?

I’m not exactly the best person to talk about God and Christ with my friends. I’m having trouble spiritually and have been struggling for 3 years. I don’t really want to talk to God right now so obviously I don’t really want to talk about God with my friends.

 

[truagape]

I am not trying to provoke,but are you seriously suggesting that homosexual chastity is impossible?That it is more heroic than heterosexual chastity?That homosexuals can’t possibly be expected to live in contenance?I’m sorry if I offended you.

Of course not! No more so than St. Paul suggested that singleness and celibacy were impossible. But as Jesus adamently clariefied, it wasn’t a requirement, and it definately wasn’t to be forced upon anyone. How would you like it if someone forced you to remain unweded and celibate? After all Paul did.

 

[sawman]

Of course not! No more so than St. Paul suggested that singleness and celibacy were impossible. But as Jesus adamently clariefied, it wasn’t a requirement, and it definately wasn’t to be forced upon anyone. How would you like it if someone forced you to remain unweded and celibate? After all Paul did.

OK,so your gripe is that it is so unfair that homosexuals can’t have sex while heterosexuals can have sex in marriage.That there is no lawful sexual outlet for the homosexual?Cause it sure seems like you’ve an ax to grind with God, not St. Paul.

 

[truagape]

OK,so your gripe is that it is so unfair that homosexuals can’t have sex while heterosexuals can have sex in marriage.That there is no lawful sexual outlet for the homosexual?Cause it sure seems like you’ve an ax to grind with God, not St. Paul.

If that was my gripe, it darn sure would be legitimate! But do me a favor will you. Please don’t reduce this to sex. There’s far more to it than that.

 

[truagape]

Cause it sure seems like you’ve an ax to grind with God, not St. Paul.

My “ax to grind”, isn’t with God or his word…it’s with ignorance!

 

[sawman]

like what?