Homosexual Relationships

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truagape said:
Great. For you. And St. Paul for that matter. But how dare you ask that of me! If you’re content with your decision that’s good. And I’m content with mine. I am a 28 yr old single male who will remain so until I meet the guy of my dreams.

Yes I do disagree with the church, because it disagree’s with scripture.

And I don’t want your sympathy or your understanding, ironically it makes me very angry!
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Hey, I am a 26 year old gay male, and you know what? I wished i could disagree with the Church. BUT the Church teaches the truth of Jesus Christ. Look buddy, you and I know what a messed up place the gay world is. I have been there. It sounds as if you have been there too. Why do you want to put yourself through that. Even the men who appear to be “amazing guys” turn out to be perverts and cheates in the end. I know that its not something that is good for a person and I choose not to particiapte. It saddens me that you are gonna put yourself through years of pain.
 
East_and_West said:
Hey, I am a 26 year old gay male, and you know what? I wished i could disagree with the Church. BUT the Church teaches the truth of Jesus Christ. Look buddy, you and I know what a messed up place the gay world is. I have been there. It sounds as if you have been there too. Why do you want to put yourself through that. Even the men who appear to be “amazing guys” turn out to be perverts and cheates in the end. I know that its not something that is good for a person and I choose not to particiapte. It saddens me that you are gonna put yourself through years of pain.
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I dont want to be rude but I think you are helping the idea of gay relationships having the same dynamics as straight relationships because you sound exactly like like so many broken hearted divorced women and men I know. All men/women are evil cheaters, there is no hope for them

But do you include yourself in this case, would you cheat on your loved one, or are you the one unique gay who wouldnt. If you exsist why is it so hard to believe another one exsists like you who would not cheat on you. Now I think you are completely free to be celibate the rest of your life, but I also think if you are doing it because you think everyone will cheat on you and not for your belief in god. you are always going to feel empty because you do it out of fear of being hurt and not love…
 
Polaris said:
I dont want to be rude but I think you are helping the idea of gay relationships having the same dynamics as straight relationships because you sound exactly like like so many broken hearted divorced women and men I know. All men/women are evil cheaters, there is no hope for them
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Maybe I do.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
But there is an intrinsic difference in the gay community and in the straight one. I know, as i have participated in both. In the gay communities. Polyamory is glorified on a level that does not even begin to touch that of the straight community. Cheating is almost a given among gays. Hooks are the norm, well beyong that of straights. Threesomes and other filthy practices are almost universally expected. Perhaps these things occur in the straight community, but they are at least kept private because they are not seen as virtures and, they occur with much less frequency.
Polaris said:
But do you include yourself in this case, would you cheat on your loved one, or are you the one unique gay who wouldnt. If you exsist why is it so hard to believe another one exsists like you who would not cheat on you. Now I think you are completely free to be celibate the rest of your life, but I also think if you are doing it because you think everyone will cheat on you and not for your belief in god. you are always going to feel empty because you do it out of fear of being hurt and not love…
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I choose to be celibate because I know that the homosexual condition is one of disorder. That is why vice is glorified and debauchery then norm. Two broken psychologically disturbed gay men cannot bring eachother fulfillment, and can not stand side by side, as they cannot even stand up alone. Yeah, I am different. Yeah, I was faithful and I would have done anything for the guy I love. Maybe there a few others out there. But from seeing how psychologically unhealthy gays are, even if I found some one that would be equally as loving and faithful, i know that the other psychological disorders that come with living a gay life would destroy the relationship. I see now that doing something that is contrary to the human nature, designed by God will destroy a person. Buddy, i have seen it all. There is great evil out there.
 
sawman said:
OK’ if your serious,I’ll be glad to have a discussion with youI’ve never heard of what you are alluding to but it sounds interesting.
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howdy! I hope we can pick up where we left off. Sorry for the delay, this week has been crazy busy for me.
 
East_and_West said:
you and I know what a messed up place the gay world is. I have been there. It sounds as if you have been there too.
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I’m not following exactly what you mean by “there”. But just to give u a bit of background about me: I am 28, celibate, never been kissed, never cuddled. Heck, I’ve never even been in a relationship. Ouch! (yea tell me about it). I was raised in a very loving and Christian home. From my youth onward my family has encouraged me to be an advid bible student. And till this day, I still am.

In regards to the “gay world” being “messed up”, any world outside the bounds of a relationship with Christ is messed up, this includes the “straight world” and everything in between. Gays, especially, have been brutalized in that the one and only hope for mankind, God, has even been used as a weapon against their own existence. Pile on the pain of being rejected by your family, society, and your congregations and you have an example of descrimination that dosen’t compare to anything in history! Throw in the fact that even God has rejected you, and you’re left with a battered community who believes that their only source of relief is to reject God himself. It is a shame, to say the least, that such “traditions of men” throughout the ages have sculpted scripture to serve as an unbearable weapon against our own brothers. By misuseing God’s word, many “Christians” have created a cause for “our brothers” to stumble. And as you clearly have observed, such manipulation is far from innocent! The “gay world”, as you refer to them as, needs to be set free. As does all of us! We need the truth, and above all we need Christ! And I will do everything within my power to play my part in this.
 
truagape said:
howdy! I hope we can pick up where we left off. Sorry for the delay, this week has been crazy busy for me.
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Hey,Truagape,
Good to hearfrom you again.Before we go at it again,I’d like to say somethings regarding homosexuality in general.I do not consider heterosexuality to be better or more advantageous or easier than homosexuality,in terms of living a virtuous life.I do not see myself as being better,or holier than a homosexual in any way in terms of trying to live as our Lord wants us to.I have temptations and an “old man” to overcome just as we all do.My virtue,such as it is,is not more virtuous because I am a heterosexual.What I am trying to say is that I am not on some high horse about sexuality,or temptation,or whatever.We all have sinned,and sin, and fallen short of the Glory of God.I think it makes no difference to Him and certainly not to me ,in what ways we have failed to live rightly.With that said,I hope we two sinners can talk without assuming some kind of superior attitude is being displayed. OK?
 
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truagape said:
I’m not following exactly what you mean by “there”. But just to give u a bit of background about me: I am 28, celibate, never been kissed, never cuddled. Heck, I’ve never even been in a relationship. Ouch! (yea tell me about it). I was raised in a very loving and Christian home. From my youth onward my family has encouraged me to be an advid bible student. And till this day, I still am.

In regards to the “gay world” being “messed up”, any world outside the bounds of a relationship with Christ is messed up, this includes the “straight world” and everything in between. Gays, especially, have been brutalized in that the one and only hope for mankind, God, has even been used as a weapon against their own existence. Pile on the pain of being rejected by your family, society, and your congregations and you have an example of descrimination that dosen’t compare to anything in history! Throw in the fact that even God has rejected you, and you’re left with a battered community who believes that their only source of relief is to reject God himself. It is a shame, to say the least, that such “traditions of men” throughout the ages have sculpted scripture to serve as an unbearable weapon against our own brothers. By misuseing God’s word, many “Christians” have created a cause for “our brothers” to stumble. And as you clearly have observed, such manipulation is far from innocent! The “gay world”, as you refer to them as, needs to be set free. As does all of us! We need the truth, and above all we need Christ! And I will do everything within my power to play my part in this.
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Brother. I see we are in different places. I started dating men about a two and a half years ago. I met them on line usually as that is the only place a guy like me who travels in very conservative circles could find other gay men. I found that very few, if any shareed my values as a Christian. If you will read my posts above, after dating and befriending many gay men (in person) you wil see that I found that cheating is the norm and that filthy practices like threesomes are expected. Compound that with the fact that men basiclly throw away their masculinity to be invovled in the gay world and you see a very messed up place. It is a dark wold that I shudder to think you are entering.
About six months after I began dating I met the love of my life. He seemed different. He went to Church on Sunday. He wasn’t trying to get me in the sack immediately, and he treated me like gold. We knew eachother for a month before we had sex (in the gay world this is considered a major feat, as ridiculous as that sounds). For a good year he treated me wonderful. But then we moved in together. The day he moved in everything changed. He stopped trying. He grew more distant every day. Evenatually Iost my job and he broke up with me over it. When I needed him most, he abadandoned me. I later found out that the whole time he and I were together he was trading pictures with other guys on line that were less than innocent, having phone sex with them, and basically carrying on psuedo internet/phone relationships with other guys. I also found out that he was very much into the most perverted pornography and had the most twisted desires. He was not at all the man I thought he was.
This being said, I have found that my experience is basically universal from all the gay men I have known. I say run now before you fall and are hurt or before you catch some STD that you can’t get rid of. Seriously man, run!!!
 
East_and_West said:
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Brother. I see we are in different places. I started dating men about a two and a half years ago. I met them on line usually as that is the only place a guy like me who travels in very conservative circles could find other gay men. I found that very few, if any shareed my values as a Christian. If you will read my posts above, after dating and befriending many gay men (in person) you wil see that I found that cheating is the norm and that filthy practices like threesomes are expected. Compound that with the fact that men basiclly throw away their masculinity to be invovled in the gay world and you see a very messed up place. It is a dark wold that I shudder to think you are entering.
About six months after I began dating I met the love of my life. He seemed different. He went to Church on Sunday. He wasn’t trying to get me in the sack immediately, and he treated me like gold. We knew eachother for a month before we had sex (in the gay world this is considered a major feat, as ridiculous as that sounds). For a good year he treated me wonderful. But then we moved in together. The day he moved in everything changed. He stopped trying. He grew more distant every day. Evenatually Iost my job and he broke up with me over it. When I needed him most, he abadandoned me. I later found out that the whole time he and I were together he was trading pictures with other guys on line that were less than innocent, having phone sex with them, and basically carrying on psuedo internet/phone relationships with other guys. I also found out that he was very much into the most perverted pornography and had the most twisted desires. He was not at all the man I thought he was.
This being said, I have found that my experience is basically universal from all the gay men I have known. I say run now before you fall and are hurt or before you catch some STD that you can’t get rid of. Seriously man, run!!!
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All of these examples of promiscuity, rampant sexcapades, threesomes, and other excessive and filthy practices are not befetting of a Christian, gay or straight. In a later post, you mentioned that the “gay world” is characteristic of such behavior. How common is it to find those in the “gay world” to have a belief in God, or to give importance to scripture?
 
sawman said:
With that said,I hope we two sinners can talk without assuming some kind of superior attitude is being displayed. OK?
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I totally agree!😃

The last topic was the discussion of Sodom and Gomorrah. Jude 7 uses language that is pretty straight forward in referencing the mob’s attempt at attacking the materialized angels. It uses the Greek words “sarkos heteras” which literally means “flesh different.” This scripture helps confirm that to even equate the cities with homosexuality would be inaccurate and impossible. Because there is nothing “homo” about humans with materialized angels.
 
Kolbe300 said:
I apologize if you felt judged. That is the least of my intentions.
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Thank you very much. I know you meant well. Honestly though, it wasn’t that i felt judged. In fact if that was all I felt, that would be a welcomed relief.
How do I feel? I’m tired. Very very tired. I’m tired of being alone, ashamed, and above all, I’m tired of being quiet. Why do I sometimes feel ashamed? Because I’m told that I should. While not with words per say, I hear it nonetheless. And it’s loud! And inside it hurts. It hurts because it attacks my ability to love and be loved.
In regards to being alone, I’m not talking about being isolated from friends and family, I’m talking empty on the inside, standing on the outside looking in. I too, want long walks in the park. I want someone to cuddle up beside in front of the fireplace. And while I know that finding a mate isn’t a guarantee. I also know that it isn’t for anybody. But people such as myself aren’t suppose to even have the opportunity. And that is utterly cruel, to say the least!
I’ve heard the scriptures, and the teachings. I’ve also heard the fear of being rejected by my so-called “Christian bothers” were I to openly discuss homosexualtity from a perspective different from the norm. And I am tired of listening to that which is not true and not saying anything. And what’s worse is when someone, such as yourself, Kolbe300, either tries to make sense of it all, just accepts it, or simply opts to make peace with the unpeaceable. You help blur the lines of truth concerning homosexuality, and scripture. And it makes the pain that society inflicts seem natural. And I’m tired of it.
 
truagape said:
I’m tired. Very very tired. I’m tired of being alone, ashamed, and above all, I’m tired of being quiet. Why do I sometimes feel ashamed? Because I’m told that I should. While not with words per say, I hear it nonetheless. And it’s loud! And inside it hurts. It hurts because it attacks my ability to love and be loved.
In regards to being alone, I’m not talking about being isolated from friends and family, I’m talking empty on the inside, standing on the outside looking in. I too, want long walks in the park. I want someone to cuddle up beside in front of the fireplace. And while I know that finding a mate isn’t a guarantee. I also know that it isn’t for anybody. But people such as myself aren’t suppose to even have the opportunity. And that is utterly cruel, to say the least!
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I know very well that feeling of emptiness on the inside. I know as well the desire for companionship and love. I used to look at what I believed God was asking of me as cruel. I couldn’t understand it at all. Over time, however, I’ve come to look at things differently. I think the biggest moment for me was when I began to realize that I could never, nor would I ever, be denied the greatest love we can experience as human beings. I’ve come a long ways but I still have a very long ways to go. I also don’t expect anyone to travel the same road I’ve traveled. Everyone will have their own journey.
And what’s worse is when someone, such as yourself, Kolbe300, either tries to make sense of it all, just accepts it, or simply opts to make peace with the unpeaceable.
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I have tried my best to make sense of things and making peace will be a life-long journey. What you’ve got to realize is that what you see as “unpeaceable”, I may not see as unpeaceable. Can you see how your statement above can be confusing to me? Somehow my trying to make sense of things and trying to find peace in things is somehow “what’s worse” to you. I hate the thought that I would add to your struggle at all. That being said, I can’t change that which I believe. I can’t change what I believe to be true.
You help blur the lines of truth concerning homosexuality, and scripture.
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That would depend entirely on what the truth concerning homosexuality and scripture is. I think we look at the same subject differently. What you hold as truth may not be what I hold as truth, therefore, I could make the same accusation of you. I’m not going to though, because I understand where you are coming from.

I hope you are well and enjoying your Sunday.

Peace.
 
Kolbe300 said:
I know very well that feeling of emptiness on the inside. I know as well the desire for companionship and love. I used to look at what I believed God was asking of me as cruel. I couldn’t understand it at all. Over time, however, I’ve come to look at things differently. I think the biggest moment for me was when I began to realize that I could never, nor would I ever, be denied the greatest love we can experience as human beings. I’ve come a long ways but I still have a very long ways to go. I also don’t expect anyone to travel the same road I’ve traveled. Everyone will have their own journey.
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So how do you know God was asking you anything?
 
Exalt said:
So how do you know God was asking you anything?
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Because of prayer. I wish I had some beautiful theological or spiritual explanation for it, but I don’t. I suppose that is why prayer is such a mystery and quite beautiful in its own way.

Peace!
 
Kolbe300 said:
What you’ve got to realize is that what you see as “unpeaceable”, I may not see as unpeaceable. Can you see how your statement above can be confusing to me? Somehow my trying to make sense of things and trying to find peace in things is somehow “what’s worse” to you.
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What bothers me is not that you have somehow made peace with church teaching regarding homosexuality. It’s when it’s done at the peril of giving society false expectations and simplified conclusions regarding others. Think about it like this: The apostle Paul was perfectly content remaining single, even going as far as to say that it was better not to marry. Now what if he used his contentness with being single to argue against anyone else who wanted to marry. Couldn’t that be “what’s worse” from someone else’s perspective? Fortunately, Jesus showed that each one had their own gift and wasn’t forced to make peace with what for them would be the unpeacable.
 
Kolbe300 said:
That would depend entirely on what the truth concerning homosexuality and scripture is. I think we look at the same subject differently.
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Hopefully, after discussing every aspect of homosexuality and scripture a sense of clarity from each of our positions will have developed.

And I did enjoy my Sunday, thanks man!😃
 
truagape said:
What bothers me is not that you have somehow made peace with church teaching regarding homosexuality. It’s when it’s done at the peril of giving society false expectations and simplified conclusions regarding others. Think about it like this: The apostle Paul was perfectly content remaining single, even going as far as to say that it was better not to marry. Now what if he used his contentness with being single to argue against anyone else who wanted to marry. Couldn’t that be “what’s worse” from someone else’s perspective? Fortunately, Jesus showed that each one had their own gift and wasn’t forced to make peace with what for them would be the unpeacable.
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Excuse me. I thought Paul said if one couldn’t remain celebate, it was better to marry than to burn. ???:confused:
 
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