Homosexual Relationships

[justinthemartyr]

Oh, by the way, as an ex homosexual, I am now happily married and have three amazing children and an incredible wife, and a new puppy!

God is sooooooo good, and His mercy endures forever.

His love is enduring, unlike the love of humans and human things, ewhich is temporal and inconsistent.

 

[truagape]

You have some very serious misconceptions here. I don’t believe any of this.

And what would those misconceptions be, by any chance?

 

[truagape]

Oh, by the way, as an ex homosexual, I am now happily married and have three amazing children and an incredible wife, and a new puppy!

God is sooooooo good, and His mercy endures forever.

His love is enduring, unlike the love of humans and human things, ewhich is temporal and inconsistent.

I’m happy for you!

 

[justinthemartyr]

Your story is intertwined with issues that have nothing to do with homosexuality but everything to do with Christian values and morals. Again, these can accompany anyone, gay or straight. Gay people, in particular, have been biblically beaten to the point of turning a blind eye to God’s Word. Do you get that? You blame homosexuality for the actions of the “gay comminity”, and that couldn’t be furthur from the truth! Lack of Christian principles is to blame, and many “Christians” are the ones who stumbled them away from that.

what issue has nothing to do with homosexuality? are you homosexual? have you been? what is your point of reference if you are not gay or never have been?
I would say you are lacking strongly in support of your position, since you have no personal experience whatsoever.

You make a few accusational statements, yet show NO SPECIFIC examples from my post.

You are just argueing for the sake of argument, not anything else. get specific, let’s talk about homosexuality. not as it is referred to in scripture, that is pointless, let’s talk about the natural law, the law which basic science recognises. Science blows homosexuality out of the water.

please tell me where i have done what you claim. thanks Justin

 

[truagape]

First of all, the angels weren’t victims they were visitors

(side note) So in Ez. 16:48-50 when abomination is listed as one of their sins, it should be clear that the “so called act” never occurred. Just wanted to throw that in there since some try to erroneously use this part of the Sodom story to justify Ezekiel as referring to homosexuality.

 

[justinthemartyr]

I find it interesting that those proponents for homsoexual relationships in here ignore my posts, because they cannot handle the Truth as it applies to me, an ex homosexual.

have a nice day.

 

[truagape]

You are just argueing for the sake of argument, not anything else. get specific, let’s talk about homosexuality.

You obviously had’t read many of my posts.

not as it is referred to in scripture, that is pointless, let’s talk about the natural law, the law which basic science recognises. Science blows homosexuality out of the water.

Okay, I’ll hear you.

 

[truagape]

I find it interesting that those proponents for homsoexual relationships in here ignore my posts, because they cannot handle the Truth as it applies to me, an ex homosexual.

have a nice day.

and what about the Truth as it applies to everyone else who’s not you?

 

[truagape]

what issue has nothing to do with homosexuality?

For starters, this one:

As an ex-homosexual, I know first hand what the struggles of this person are. I too looked for human relationships, and human power to make me happy. It would last for awhile, and then it would fail, and I would fall back into the same depressive, drinking, drugging etc, until the next one came along. This was frustrating, as I was looking for true love and happiness. I was really addicted to falling in love and was a good sprinter, but those relationships rarely last with no good foundation.

 

[justinthemartyr]

That paragraph had everything to do with my experience as a homosexual.

Therefore it is a direct aspect of homosexuality.

The fact that certain heterosexuals relate to this does not make it less of a homosexual issue. therefore your statement is false.

You claim it has “NOTHING” to do with homosexuality, when in fact it does.

thank you for getting more specific.

 

[justinthemartyr]

and what about the Truth as it applies to everyone else who’s not you?

I guess i do not follow you here.

I am an ex homosexual, something that proponents of homosexuality don’t want to talk about or even admit.
The Truth is, it was a spiritual illness which God remedied.

 

[truagape]

That paragraph had everything to do with my experience as a homosexual.

Therefore it is a direct aspect of homosexuality.

The fact that certain heterosexuals relate to this does not make it less of a homosexual issue. therefore your statement is false.

You claim it has “NOTHING” to do with homosexuality, when in fact it does.

thank you for getting more specific.

Your’re welcome!

And if you were black would it have everything to do with being a black homosexual?

Are you getting my point?

 

[truagape]

I guess i do not follow you here.

I am an ex homosexual, something that proponents of homosexuality don’t want to talk about or even admit.
The Truth is, it was a spiritual illness which God remedied.

Not everyone’s circumstance, background, or chemical make up is the same. I don’t mind talking about you an “ex-homosexual”. Most gay people don’t, however, because society attempts to parallel your story and outcome with theirs. And that’s where problems begin.

 

[truagape]

Hi Kitteh,

I can tell you with utmost certainty and honesty that since I came out fo the closet about 10 years ago, and having been in a relationship with the same man for the last 5 years, my life has been considerably happier than when I was in the closet pretending to be attracted to women and trying to date them, all the while lying to myself, friends, family and others. I have never been so depressed, felt so disingenuous and never felt lonelier than at that time.

My partner has enriched my life and has been the best thing for me. We love each other deeply and are engaged to be married. My love for him is reflexive. His well-being, comfort and joy is my main concern and vice versa. I would die for him if I had too. This is the extent of my love for my partner.

You will hear a variety answers and comments on here, most of which will be contrary to mine. However, there are a couple of us on CAF that believe you can have a same-sex relationship based on love.

The Catholic church has spoken regarding this subject and if you want to be a Catholic, it’s wise of you to understand where they stand.Though I was once Catholic, and very much respect and agree with some of its doctrines, I can tell you that the love I have for my partner is genuine and true. I have never been happier in all my life since I met my partner. Sometimes I wish that others could see the love we have in our hearts for eachother. I often think that they may better understand my position.

Good luck in your quest to understand this very important topic.

I’m happy for you too!

 

[justinthemartyr]

Not everyone’s circumstance, background, or chemical make up is the same. I don’t mind talking about you an “ex-homosexual”. Most gay people don’t, however, because society attempts to parallel your story and outcome with theirs. And that’s where problems begin.

What does this have to do with anything I have stated?

Are you a proponent for homosexuality?

What exactly is this discussion about?

It seems that the ship has left the harbor as it concerns the original topic at hand.

Yes, homosexuality is disordered and not natural, nor does it in any way agree with the natural law.

it does not take anything religious to prove this point, it is basic science and natural law.( ie. it takes a man and a woman to conceive a baby, no exceptions, ever.)
there is nothing complimentary between two persons of the same sex as it pertains to sexuality in general, they just do not fit together, at all.

 

[Kolbe300]

I also understand that 100% of those wanting to escape the homosexual lifestyle had a non existent father figure, a bad father figure who was not present or abusive, or were sexually abused by an older male figure when they were very young.

Hi justinthemartyr. I just wanted to take a second to address this part of your post. 100% of the gay men you know may very well fit that category. I don’t fit into that category at all, nor do two close friends who also happen to be homosexual. I had (have) an absolutely wonderful and very present father. I was also blessed enough to never be abused in any form. A bad or absent father may have something to do with homosexuality manifesting itself in someone, but it certainly isn’t the “reason” everyone who is gay is gay.

I read a prominent “expert” giving that same 100% theory, saying that in his workings with hundreds of homosexual men, he’d never met one that had a good father. I was amazed by that, when 3 of the 4 homosexuals I know personally all had wonderful fathers. That is a mystery to me, and I’m wondering why we weren’t counted.

Peace!

 

[justinthemartyr]

Hi justinthemartyr. I just wanted to take a second to address this part of your post. 100% of the gay men you know may very well fit that category. I don’t fit into that category at all, nor do two close friends who also happen to be homosexual. I had (have) an absolutely wonderful and very present father. I was also blessed enough to never be abused in any form. A bad or absent father may have something to do with homosexuality manifesting itself in someone, but it certainly isn’t the “reason” everyone who is gay is gay.

I read a prominent “expert” giving that same 100% theory, saying that in his workings with hundreds of homosexual men, he’d never met one that had a good father. I was amazed by that, when 3 of the 4 homosexuals I know personally all had wonderful fathers. That is a mystery to me, and I’m wondering why we weren’t counted.

Peace!

The reason you were not counted, is that you are not in that category. These were homosexual men ultimately frustrated with the homosexual lifestyle and the immoral negative effect it had on them. They desired more in life than to fulfil their want for a personal and sexual relationship with another of the same sex, as it is unnatural.

that is why.

Also, the fact that you do not remember being abused, does not mean you were not abused. I know many men who have admitted sexually abusing babies, and therefore the child, after growing up, did not consciously remember being abused. Subconsciously though, it is quite a different story. Yet even if this is not the case for you, it all boils down to sin.

Homosexual acts at their root, are unnatural according to nature itself and therefore it is due to sin nature. If it were not for sin nature, we would not have any character defects(cancer, murder, hatred etc). Any character defect in the human person is caused by sin nature. Therefore the only way to become more fully human, as we were initially created to be and intended to be, is to refrain from behaviour that pushes us farther from that goal, including homosexual acts.

You are correct, a bad experience from a male figure in a child’s life is not the reason every person who is homosexual, is homosexual, just the majority. the actual reason is sin nature.

peace, Justin

 

[East_and_West]

Your story is intertwined with issues that have nothing to do with homosexuality but everything to do with Christian values and morals. Again, these can accompany anyone, gay or straight. Gay people, in particular, have been biblically beaten to the point of turning a blind eye to God’s Word. Do you get that? You blame homosexuality for the actions of the “gay comminity”, and that couldn’t be furthur from the truth! Lack of Christian principles is to blame, and many “Christians” are the ones who stumbled them away from that.

People from the gay Churches has the exact same sexual ethics as those out side the gay Churches. Can you not see what i am typing? Again, I know. I have been there.

 

[elt1956]

Are you saying that you would be happier if you were single?

I have heard and do believe, this lonliness we feel no matter which path our lives takes, is our longing to be a part of God. I can see this. I have also heard that no other human can MAKE another one happy. If one is not happy right now, this minute, then we need to check in on ourselves. Only the individual can provide her/his own happiness and of course this is not a constant.

 

[Kolbe300]

The reason you were not counted, is that you are not in that category. These were homosexual men ultimately frustrated with the homosexual lifestyle and the immoral negative effect it had on them. They desired more in life than to fulfil their want for a personal and sexual relationship with another of the same sex, as it is unnatural.

Hmmm. I’ve got to admit to being a bit confused. Are you saying the 100% statistic only applies to those who are frustrated with their sexuality and the way they are living their lives?

If it were not for sin nature, we would not have any character defects(cancer, murder, hatred etc). Any character defect in the human person is caused by sin nature.

Every defect in the human person may very well be because of sin nature. I just think it is important for people to realize that embracing Christ and prayer doesn’t always make the defect go away. You can’t always pray the cancer away, just like you can’t always pray the homosexual orientation away. I believe you are in a minority when it comes to having your homosexual desires (orientation?) disappear instantly.

You are correct, a bad experience from a male figure in a child’s life is not the reason every person who is homosexual, is homosexual, just the majority. the actual reason is sin nature.

Personally, I think we humans are relatively clueless when it comes to the reasons behind sexual orientation. And I have serious doubts we’ll ever know the reasons why. But, in a spirit of optimism, maybe someday we’ll know.

Peace