Homosexual Teachers in Catholic Schools

[havana1]

This whole thread reminds me of an old movie called “The Children’s Hour” with Shirley McLaine and Audrey Hepburn, IIRC. They slander a teacher big time. Shows up on TCM every so often.

 

[ddarko]

Fine. I can tell you from experience, that children learn better through what is termed “Natural Consequences” than just about anything else. This is actually how God Himself teaches us.

God doesn’t ALWAYS teach from experience either.

For an example, God isn’t going to SEND YOU TO HELL to check it out so that you know first hand what it is like to be there. He tells you what it is like and expects YOU to believe it.

Let me give an example. We have a swimming pool and a 2 year old. When we go in the pool, I would tell him over and over again "Don’t go pat the second…WHY it was important to listen and obey what I had to say on the matter.

So what?

I already told you there are EXAMPLES of where people LEARN and SHOULD learn from experience. IT doesn’t mean ALL things should be learned by experience. That is the false claim you made earlier.

The consequence was a NATURAL one. It didn’t come from anything I did or from punishment, and I certainly didn’t PREVENT it from happening, losing the lesson altogether. This lesson has carried over into almost every warning I give him now. When I say “Be careful, don’t fall”, he knows what it means whether he is by the pool or on a slippery floor or has climbed too high onto a chair, and his behavior adjusts immediately.

Sure. But as I said before, you are not understanding what I am saying.

Just because you have few examples that prove Experience is good for learning, IT DOES NOT MEAN that EXPERIENCE IS ALWAYS GOOD for learning.

Some things are learnt without experiencing. In those cases, to experience them would be the WORST thing to happen.

I have used this with hot things as well. I told him the concrete was too hot to step on without shoes and that he would burn his feet. He stepped on it and I immediately picked him up and comforted him when he cried (it wasn’t that hot, just unpleasant). Now, he doesn’t touch ANYTHING if I say it’s hot, from the stove to a candle, because he knows what it feels like to be burned and doesn’t like it. if I hadn’t done it this way, if he had NEVER been burned, I would have to watch him lime a hawk and the second my back was turned, he would do it anyway. Kids need to learn that consequences come from the actions themselves, not from me as a parent.

Once again, you are not proving anything here other than experience based learning is good for somethings. And no one here is disagreeing with you.

It also builds a huge amount of confidence in their ability to make their own decisions and it builds a huge amount of trust between parent and child because he knows that I’m telling the absolute truth and that I am always right there to help and comfort him when he DOES make a mistake, but that I also trust him to do some things on his own and make his own (sometimes bad) decisions.

Once again, you are making a false generalization above. While the results of what you say are true, it does not apply to all cases.

Are you going to let your child try out Cocaine one day? Perhaps a smoke a pack? Try out sex? Try stealing from a shop? Try out rape?

Of course this doesn’t apply to letting your child seriously hurt themselves, but you understand how over the years, this type of parenting
Leads to confidence, trust and good decision-making skills on the part of the child/adult.

The point is, as you said it yourself, there are exceptions to your rule.

Right now, you are more concerned only with your child’s physical and perhaps mental dimension.

BUT, your child has a spiritual dimension as well. So some parents also consider the harm it might to the spiritual dimension of the child before letting him/her do things for “experience”.

Again, this is exactly how God parents us.

As I said before, that is NOT how God parents us.

He tells us what is right and what is wrong and then lets us decide for ourselves, and accepts the Natural Consequences of our decisions.

He tells us NOT TO sin. He doesn’t tell us to TRY OUT sin and see that it doesn’t feel right. So I am not sure what you are saying here.

Through trial and error, we hopefully learn that God knows more than we do and that He has our best interests at heart, so that when it comes to the really big things, we don’t feel the need to experiment for ourselves because we can put our trust in Him and know that it os well-founded.

Religion is not a verification based deal. For an example, when you find out for sure why it was bad to have contraceptive sex with your husband, it will be too late because then you will already be in HELL.

So no, religion is not trial and error. If it was, then God didn’t have to give us his commandments. He wants us to STAY THE HECK away from sin. He even warns against people who send children astray to sin.

By the time it’s time for us to choose Heaven or He’ll, we are fully prepared and have the knowledge and experience to make that choice. It’s good enough for God and it’s good enough for me

It’s not good enough for God and therefore it should NOT be good enough for you.

Also, you choose heaven and hell by every action you do on earth. Its not a matter of standing in front of him in one day and picking which one you want to go to.

So he has WARNED you to not do things even for the sake of TRYING OUT ex. Murder, Rape, Pre-martial sex, extramarital sex i.e. he has told you NOT TO SIN. I think you’ve confused how God has done parenting. Perhaps clearing that up will make it easier for you to see the error in your position.

God Bless

 

[LaSainte]

You’re not understanding. No, God doesn’t SEND us to Hell to check it out any more than I THROW my son in the pool to teach him about not going in too deep. And I NEVER said that I would encourage my kids to “experiment” with wrong or dangerous behaviors. I teach them right from wrong just as God does with us. But God DOES let us make our own mistakes. This is called free will.

I don’t know what you are talking about with the rape and cocaine, as if that hasanything to do with homeschooling versus public school. Of course I wouldn’t allow my child to use cocaine if I could do anything to stop it. The whole point though is that through the years, by allowing my child to make his own mistakes and being there for him when he messes up as opposed to hovering over him constantly and never letting him make his own decisions, he will be fully equipped to decide FOR HIMSELF not to do cocaine if it is ever offered to him, not because he fears what I will think of him or what I will personally do to him or anything like that, but because he is accustomed to making his own good decisions.

This parenting style ensures that your children do not feel the NEED to push the envelope and try everything for themselves because they can trust what you say as parents, and much more importantly, they have grown through trial and error to be able to trust themselves. THEY are their own greatest influence.

If a child is sheltered and never allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from natural consequences, then sure, while they are constantly under their parents’ control and influence they will be model children because the negative consequences for everything they have ever done come from the parents.

When they go to college or move out on their own, their influences are their friends and the parents no longer have that control. Rather than trusting themselves (why would they? They’ve never made a genuine decision in their lives), they transfer the dependence they had on their parents to their friends and peers. Now when they do something, they see the negative/positive consequences of their choices as coming from their friends. Before, their decisions were based around gaining mom’s approval/avoiding her disapproval. Now, in her absence, those choices are based gaining peer approval/avoiding peer disapproval.

A teenager whose decision-making process has always been based upon parent dictation/reinforcement is not equipped to make any decisions based on real and natural consequences and so will seek that reinforcement as a basis for future decision-making wherever they can get it.

Natural Consequences prepare the child throughout their young life to make increasingly important and life-altering decisions, so that when their college roomate DOES offer them cocaine, they have the confidence and experience in decision-making to do the right thing without relying on either positive or negative outside influences to make that decision.

It is a very common-sense approach to parenting as opposed to the “helicopter parenting” so prevalent today.

And yes, this is exactly how God parents us. Our whole lives are based around moral decisions and conundrums of ever-increasing difficulty and importance, which we are given the free will to make on our own, so that by the end of our lives, we are wise enough and experienced enough to make that ultimate decision to choose Heaven or Hell.

Notice that in the Garden of Eden, God did not put a fence around the tree of life. He told us not to eat from it and left it up to us.

A lot of these parents are so terrified that heir child will make a mistake that they build a 90 foot wall around the apple tree. The problem is, whether they like it or not, that wall comes crashing down when their kids turn 18, and most of the time, those kids are in no way prepared to handle that level of freedom. In fact, the tree could be growing dog **** and half the kids will try it out of sheer curiosity and rebelliousness.

In fact, that is exactly what SATAN did. Remember that Satan never had the free will that Adam and Eve did. He was merely created to obey God for the sake of obeying God. That worked out well for him.

 

[Debora123]

You’re not understanding. No, God doesn’t SEND us to Hell to check it out any more than I THROW my son in the pool to teach him about not going in too deep. And I NEVER said that I would encourage my kids to “experiment” with wrong or dangerous behaviors. I teach them right from wrong just as God does with us. But God DOES let us make our own mistakes. This is called free will.

I don’t know what you are talking about with the rape and cocaine, as if that hasanything to do with homeschooling versus public school. Of course I wouldn’t allow my child to use cocaine if I could do anything to stop it. The whole point though is that through the years, by allowing my child to make his own mistakes and being there for him when he messes up as opposed to hovering over him constantly and never letting him make his own decisions, he will be fully equipped to decide FOR HIMSELF not to do cocaine if it is ever offered to him, not because he fears what I will think of him or what I will personally do to him or anything like that, but because he is accustomed to making his own good decisions.

This parenting style ensures that your children do not feel the NEED to push the envelope and try everything for themselves because they can trust what you say as parents, and much more importantly, they have grown through trial and error to be able to trust themselves. THEY are their own greatest influence.

If a child is sheltered and never allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from natural consequences, then sure, while they are constantly under their parents’ control and influence they will be model children because the negative consequences for everything they have ever done come from the parents.

When they go to college or move out on their own, their influences are their friends and the parents no longer have that control. Rather than trusting themselves (why would they? They’ve never made a genuine decision in their lives), they transfer the dependence they had on their parents to their friends and peers. Now when they do something, they see the negative/positive consequences of their choices as coming from their friends. Before, their decisions were based around gaining mom’s approval/avoiding her disapproval. Now, in her absence, those choices are based gaining peer approval/avoiding peer disapproval.

A teenager whose decision-making process has always been based upon parent dictation/reinforcement is not equipped to make any decisions based on real and natural consequences and so will seek that reinforcement as a basis for future decision-making wherever they can get it.

Natural Consequences prepare the child throughout their young life to make increasingly important and life-altering decisions, so that when their college roomate DOES offer them cocaine, they have the confidence and experience in decision-making to do the right thing without relying on either positive or negative outside influences to make that decision.

It is a very common-sense approach to parenting as opposed to the “helicopter parenting” so prevalent today.

And yes, this is exactly how God parents us. Our whole lives are based around moral decisions and conundrums of ever-increasing difficulty and importance, which we are given the free will to make on our own, so that by the end of our lives, we are wise enough and experienced enough to make that ultimate decision to choose Heaven or Hell.

Notice that in the Garden of Eden, God did not put a fence around the tree of life. He told us not to eat from it and left it up to us.

A lot of these parents are so terrified that heir child will make a mistake that they build a 90 foot wall around the apple tree. The problem is, whether they like it or not, that wall comes crashing down when their kids turn 18, and most of the time, those kids are in no way prepared to handle that level of freedom. In fact, the tree could be growing dog **** and half the kids will try it out of sheer curiosity and rebelliousness.

In fact, that is exactly what SATAN did. Remember that Satan never had the free will that Adam and Eve did. He was merely created to obey God for the sake of obeying God. That worked out well for him.

 

[Debora123]

You’re not understanding. No, God doesn’t SEND us to Hell to check it out any more than I THROW my son in the pool to teach him about not going in too deep. And I NEVER said that I would encourage my kids to “experiment” with wrong or dangerous behaviors. I teach them right from wrong just as God does with us. But God DOES let us make our own mistakes. This is called free will.

I don’t know what you are talking about with the rape and cocaine, as if that hasanything to do with homeschooling versus public school. Of course I wouldn’t allow my child to use cocaine if I could do anything to stop it. The whole point though is that through the years, by allowing my child to make his own mistakes and being there for him when he messes up as opposed to hovering over him constantly and never letting him make his own decisions, he will be fully equipped to decide FOR HIMSELF not to do cocaine if it is ever offered to him, not because he fears what I will think of him or what I will personally do to him or anything like that, but because he is accustomed to making his own good decisions.

This parenting style ensures that your children do not feel the NEED to push the envelope and try everything for themselves because they can trust what you say as parents, and much more importantly, they have grown through trial and error to be able to trust themselves. THEY are their own greatest influence.

If a child is sheltered and never allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from natural consequences, then sure, while they are constantly under their parents’ control and influence they will be model children because the negative consequences for everything they have ever done come from the parents.

When they go to college or move out on their own, their influences are their friends and the parents no longer have that control. Rather than trusting themselves (why would they? They’ve never made a genuine decision in their lives), they transfer the dependence they had on their parents to their friends and peers. Now when they do something, they see the negative/positive consequences of their choices as coming from their friends. Before, their decisions were based around gaining mom’s approval/avoiding her disapproval. Now, in her absence, those choices are based gaining peer approval/avoiding peer disapproval.

A teenager whose decision-making process has always been based upon parent dictation/reinforcement is not equipped to make any decisions based on real and natural consequences and so will seek that reinforcement as a basis for future decision-making wherever they can get it.

Natural Consequences prepare the child throughout their young life to make increasingly important and life-altering decisions, so that when their college roomate DOES offer them cocaine, they have the confidence and experience in decision-making to do the right thing without relying on either positive or negative outside influences to make that decision.

It is a very common-sense approach to parenting as opposed to the “helicopter parenting” so prevalent today.

And yes, this is exactly how God parents us. Our whole lives are based around moral decisions and conundrums of ever-increasing difficulty and importance, which we are given the free will to make on our own, so that by the end of our lives, we are wise enough and experienced enough to make that ultimate decision to choose Heaven or Hell.

Notice that in the Garden of Eden, God did not put a fence around the tree of life. He told us not to eat from it and left it up to us.

A lot of these parents are so terrified that heir child will make a mistake that they build a 90 foot wall around the apple tree. The problem is, whether they like it or not, that wall comes crashing down when their kids turn 18, and most of the time, those kids are in no way prepared to handle that level of freedom. In fact, the tree could be growing dog **** and half the kids will try it out of sheer curiosity and rebelliousness.

In fact, that is exactly what SATAN did. Remember that Satan never had the free will that Adam and Eve did. He was merely created to obey God for the sake of obeying God. That worked out well for him.

I would also like to add that parents should give their kids more freedom gradually… as they grow. And possibly more so depending on good grades, good behavior, and as the child proves trust worthy. I think this makes the child feel more responsible as well as enforcing trustworthiness and good behavior.

Personally, I’ve never seen anything good come out of excessive sheltering until the child is 18. When that happens, BAM! - The child is all of a sudden hit full force with all this new found freedom and all of a sudden exposed to the evils/dangers of the real world. This can come as a shock, and is not healthy for anyone.

 

[estesbob]

Really? So the law doesn’t apply to Catholic schools?

I can see it being legal if there was a contract with conduct clauses that was very specific to include something like this, but I’m willing to bet there wasn’t one. Especially because it seems she would never have taken the job if this were the case.

In most locales you can hire and fire at will as long as it is not based on the employees race, creed, gender, or country of national origin

 

[LovingMass]

Please be very careful about making or participating in comments about this woman unless she has committed obvious, public acts which make it clear that she is behaving contrary to our faith. I am a divorced woman who over the years has been the subject of similar comments based on the fact that I neither flirt nor date. I have even at times taken in other women who needed a temporary place to stay. The comments and questions based on unholy assumptions were terribly hurtful:console:. “Do unto others,” you know…

 

[ddarko]

You’re not understanding. No, God doesn’t SEND us to Hell to check it out any … But God DOES let us make our own mistakes. This is called free will.

NO, I am telling you that you as a parent SHOULDN’T allow them to make mistakes.

Why?

Because God has given THEM, you as a parent with a brain. You are suppossed to use it an make sure they receive proper formation.

There are cases where a person SHOULD NEVER EXPERIENCE such things. Because once you fall in to those sins, it becomes habitual.

So please, stop making generalizations. That is my point to you.

Your theology is also not correct here since you’ve forgotten that God has MADE you a PARENT and the Teachings of the Church are VERY CLEAR that Parents have responsibility in disciplining Children.

I don’t know what you are talking about with the rape and cocaine, as if that hasanything to do with homeschooling versus public school. **Of course I wouldn’t allow my child to use cocaine if I could do anything to stop it. **The whole point though is that through the years, by allowing my child to make his own mistakes and being there for him when he messes up as opposed to hovering over him constantly and never letting him make his own decisions, he will be fully equipped to decide FOR HIMSELF not to do cocaine if it is ever offered to him, not because he fears what I will think of him or what I will personally do to him or anything like that, but because he is accustomed to making his own good decisions.

The above bolded line is the END. That proves your position wrong. You would rather do everything to prevent them from doing drugs. That includes change of environment etc.

And NO, as a parent you are suppossed to FORM him properly.

You don’t let a kid decide on EVERYTHING so that he may learn from his mistakes. That was my point to you.

So quit attacking a straw man position. You are claiming that just because experience teaches well in SOME situations, it succeeds in ALL situations. That is IRRATIONAL.

This parenting style ensures that your children do not feel the NEED to push the envelope and try everything for themselves because they can trust what you say as parents, and much more importantly, they have grown through trial and error to be able to trust themselves. THEY are their own greatest influence.

You are seriously not listening. Your kids also need to learn that THEY CANNOT KNOW EVERYTHING and must TRUST in people who know BETTER than them.

If you forgot to teach them that, you’ve done your kids a great disservice.

If a child is sheltered and never allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from natural consequences, then sure, while they are constantly under their parents’ control and influence they will be model children because the negative consequences for everything they have ever done come from the parents.

Just because a child is kept from sinning till he is mature DOES NOT mean he is now handicapped. What kind of psychology are you talking about here?

It is your kid who would be pretty messed up and probably wont even make it to a mature age if you keep letting them try out everything before believing its wrong.

When they go to college or move out on their own, their influences are their friends and the parents no longer have that control. Rather than trusting themselves (why would they? They’ve never made a genuine decision in their lives), they transfer the dependence they had on their parents to their friends and peers. Now when they do something, they see the negative/positive consequences of their choices as coming from their friends. Before, their decisions were based around gaining mom’s approval/avoiding her disapproval. Now, in her absence, those choices are based gaining peer approval/avoiding peer disapproval.

When they move out to college, the person has a GOOD SOLID foundation in that he is now disciplined.

IT doesn’t matter if your kid knows the entire Bible by heart if he cannot practice it. That is why discipline is important.

So when the your kid who thinks he is the boss of himself goes to college, he just simply decides that his parents were idiots because he cannot ever be a “good person” according to his parents standards. Then he goes out and does his own thing and screws up even more.

(Continued…)

 

[ddarko]

(…Continued)

A teenager whose decision-making process has always been based upon parent dictation/reinforcement is not equipped to make any decisions based on real and natural consequences and so will seek that reinforcement as a basis for future decision-making wherever they can get it.

Are you joking?

Where is your psychological evidence?

All results and studies show that people who are home-schooled for an example fair MUCH BETTER than the public schooled at college.

You are making bold claims without even evidence to back you up.

You have to understand the importance of Discipline and RESPECTING authority. The kid who doesn’t respect and accept his/her parents cannot ever accept the Church. Obedience and Discipline begins at the home.

Natural Consequences prepare the child throughout their young life to make increasingly important and life-altering decisions, so that when their college roomate DOES offer them cocaine, they have the confidence and experience in decision-making to do the right thing without relying on either positive or negative outside influences to make that decision.

Some “natural consequences” lead children to their death and they never make it to the point where they ever make any important decision.

So stop living in a rosy world. Try to see the other side of the picture too. Experience based learning works for SOME lessons BUT NOT FOR ALL LIFE’s LESSONS.

It is a very common-sense approach to parenting as opposed to the “helicopter parenting” so prevalent today.

It’s not common sense. It’s a lazy approach based on no justifiable evidence or reason.

And yes, this is exactly how God parents us. Our whole lives are based around moral decisions and conundrums of ever-increasing difficulty and importance, which we are given the free will to make on our own, so that by the end of our lives, we are wise enough and experienced enough to make that ultimate decision to choose Heaven or Hell.

THAT IS NOT how God parents us. God has given PARENTS to everyone of us.

Seriously, get your theology correct. If you don’t know theology, don’t make theological claims.

Notice that in the Garden of Eden, God did not put a fence around the tree of life. He told us not to eat from it and left it up to us.

OOOOOOOOOOH Best example ever.

Shows how biased you are that you didn’t even bother to consider what happened.

When Adam and Eve ate of the tree, God didn’t say, hey you learned from your mistakes so don’t do it again. HE SAID THE GET THE HECK OUT OF EDEN.

If Adam and Eve didn’t sin, we wouldn’t be in this messed up position to begin with. That shows how ONE MISTAKE, leads to the fall of an entire RACE, the HUMAN race.

So stop thinking that making a mistake is how you learn.

As your own example proves, you just can’t afford to mess up even once with somethings

A lot of these parents are so terrified that heir child will make a mistake that they build a 90 foot wall around the apple tree. The problem is, whether they like it or not, that wall comes crashing down when their kids turn 18, and most of the time, those kids are in no way prepared to handle that level of freedom. In fact, the tree could be growing dog **** and half the kids will try it out of sheer curiosity and rebelliousness.

Those kids are very prepared. Academic studies in to kids who are properly home-schooled have shown that they are much well adept to college than their other counterparts who “tried out everything in life before deciding what was right”.

In fact, most of the people who “tried out everything before deciding what was right” never made it to college and some entered the morgue instead. Pretty sad but true.

In fact, that is exactly what SATAN did. Remember that Satan never had the free will that Adam and Eve did. He was merely created to obey God for the sake of obeying God. That worked out well for him.

Wow, ok, seriously, stop making theological claims if you don’t know theology.

Satan HAD free will. In fact he STILL HAS FREE WILL just as much as Adam and Eve did.

What you said above is blatantly confused theology.

God Bless

 

[Corki]

In most locales you can hire and fire at will as long as it is not based on the employees race, creed, gender, or country of national origin

That’s the Employment-at-Will legal doctrine. It only applies to employees who do not have an employment contract. Most teachers sign annual employment contracts. Most teacher contracts have clauses that allow firing for improper conduct or conduct that reflects negatively on the school.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Please be very careful about making or participating in comments about this woman unless she has committed obvious, public acts which make it clear that she is behaving contrary to our faith. I am a divorced woman who over the years has been the subject of similar comments based on the fact that I neither flirt nor date. I have even at times taken in other women who needed a temporary place to stay. The comments and questions based on unholy assumptions were terribly hurtful:console:. “Do unto others,” you know…

Innocent things such as kissing, hugging and cuddling are now presumed to have to do sex, everything is thought to be about sex

 

[LaSainte]

(…Continued)

Are you joking?

Where is your psychological evidence?

All results and studies show that people who are home-schooled for an example fair MUCH BETTER than the public schooled at college.

You are making bold claims without even evidence to back you up.

You have to understand the importance of Discipline and RESPECTING authority. The kid who doesn’t respect and accept his/her parents cannot ever accept the Church. Obedience and Discipline begins at the home.

Some “natural consequences” lead children to their death and they never make it to the point where they ever make any important decision.

So stop living in a rosy world. Try to see the other side of the picture too. Experience based learning works for SOME lessons BUT NOT FOR ALL LIFE’s LESSONS.

It’s not common sense. It’s a lazy approach based on no justifiable evidence or reason.

THAT IS NOT how God parents us. God has given PARENTS to everyone of us.

Seriously, get your theology correct. If you don’t know theology, don’t make theological claims.

OOOOOOOOOOH Best example ever.

Shows how biased you are that you didn’t even bother to consider what happened.

When Adam and Eve ate of the tree, God didn’t say, hey you learned from your mistakes so don’t do it again. HE SAID THE GET THE HECK OUT OF EDEN.

If Adam and Eve didn’t sin, we wouldn’t be in this messed up position to begin with. That shows how ONE MISTAKE, leads to the fall of an entire RACE, the HUMAN race.

So stop thinking that making a mistake is how you learn.

As your own example proves, you just can’t afford to mess up even once with somethings

Those kids are very prepared. Academic studies in to kids who are properly home-schooled have shown that they are much well adept to college than their other counterparts who “tried out everything in life before deciding what was right”.

In fact, most of the people who “tried out everything before deciding what was right” never made it to college and some entered the morgue instead. Pretty sad but true.

Wow, ok, seriously, stop making theological claims if you don’t know theology.

Satan HAD free will. In fact he STILL HAS FREE WILL just as much as Adam and Eve did.

What you said above is blatantly confused theology.

God Bless

It is abundantly clear that you literally have no idea what you are talking about and that you are young and being what I HOPE is deliberately obtuse. I never once said that a parent should allow their children to do whatever they want or not form them properly or not practice discipline.

You are combative and hostile as well as being I’ll-informed and clearly having no understanding about parenting, children, and how it relates to our God-given mission to make sure that they leave our homes as capable adults ready to make complex and difficult decisions.

I am done talking to you because your arguments are completely non-sensical and not based on any kind of knowledge about children and parenting whatsoever.

Best of luck if you ever do have kids. You are going to need it.

 

[LaSainte]

By the way, God made Adam and Eve leave Eden and THEN gave us His own son to atone for their and all of our future sins because He knew that we would make mistakes and need a loving parent to come back to. What did the father of the prodigal son do? He gave his son the inheritance and let him go into the world and make his own mistakes so that when he came back, it was his own decision and he could truly understand the ramifications of his actions. He did NOT tell him “No, I know you will just squander this money and mess up your life so I’m going to do everything in my power to prevent you from making that mistake” because he KNEW that this was no way for his son to learn a lesson. It is not lazy parenting at all. If you knew anything about it you would know that it KILLS us parents to let our kids make mistakes and get hurt sometimes, but it is also necessary for THEM to grow as people. Jesus knew this, hence the parable. God DOES parent us precisely this way, just as Jesus said He does.

 

[Elizabeth502]

LaSainte, just as you “can tell” that some people are not parents, I can tell that you have no expertise in homeschooling. Just being a little tease, here.

Again (I can tell that my post just flew over the conversation here), there are a varieties of homeschool formats, some of which actually involve more independence & exposure to life than a typical site-school experience. Not even most of homeschooled students are in a religiously based or motivated program, by the way.

 

[PatriceA]

LaSainte, just as you “can tell” that some people are not parents, I can tell that you have no expertise in homeschooling. Just being a little tease, here.

Again (I can tell that my post just flew over the conversation here), there are a varieties of homeschool formats, some of which actually involve more independence & exposure to life than a typical site-school experience. Not even most of homeschooled students are in a religiously based or motivated program, by the way.

Most people haven’t a clue about homeschooling and base their opinions on a few families they knew way back in the day. There will always be a bad example for any schooling option, be it homeschooling, public schooling or even Catholic schools. But even bringing homeschooling into this whole decision is unnecessary, even bringing up public schooling for that matter. Neither negate the fact that a Catholic parent has every right to be concerned that someone employed by their parish school is living a life contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church and see no reason to bring their lifestyle in align with those teachings. If I’m paying for a well rounded Catholic education, I certainly expect the people I’m paying to teach my child to live out the Catholic faith to the best of their abilities, at school and in their private lives. I don’t want the teachers putting their private lives in a box while they’re in the classroom anymore than I expect anyone to check their Catholic faith at the door when they leave the classroom.

 

[Debora123]

LaSainte, just as you “can tell” that some people are not parents, I can tell that you have no expertise in homeschooling. Just being a little tease, here.

Again (I can tell that my post just flew over the conversation here), there are a varieties of homeschool formats, some of which actually involve more independence & exposure to life than a typical site-school experience. Not even most of homeschooled students are in a religiously based or motivated program, by the way.

There is a stereotype that all homeschooled children are very very sheltered, and I think that’s where all this is coming from.

I’m sure there are ways to “do it right” and homeschool your children to be strong, social individuals who understand the evils of society and can handle themselves in real life situations.

Homeschooling is not for everyone, but it can/does work for some.

Personally, it is really not my cup of tea, but every parent is out there to do what they think is best for their children.

 

[Personanongrata]

Please be very careful about making or participating in comments about this woman unless she has committed obvious, public acts which make it clear that she is behaving contrary to our faith. I am a divorced woman who over the years has been the subject of similar comments based on the fact that I neither flirt nor date. I have even at times taken in other women who needed a temporary place to stay. The comments and questions based on unholy assumptions were terribly hurtful:console:. “Do unto others,” you know…

Ditto!!! I have also been in situations like this and tend to completely ignore the self-righteous opinions.

There are plenty of closeted gay teachers within the Catholic school system. After reading this thread, I understand why.

This witch hunt mind set seems to only apply to gays. The self righteous don’t go after the single straight males and females. They are in relationships too, and (OMG!) having sex, using birth control, etc. When it comes to the morals clause in their contract - let’s just look the other way.

 

[Corki]

**Most people haven’t a clue about homeschooling and base their opinions on a few families they knew way back in the day. ** There will always be a bad example for any schooling option, be it homeschooling, public schooling or even Catholic schools. But even bringing homeschooling into this whole decision is unnecessary, even bringing up public schooling for that matter. Neither negate the fact that a Catholic parent has every right to be concerned that someone employed by their parish school is living a life contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church and see no reason to bring their lifestyle in align with those teachings. If I’m paying for a well rounded Catholic education, I certainly expect the people I’m paying to teach my child to live out the Catholic faith to the best of their abilities, at school and in their private lives. I don’t want the teachers putting their private lives in a box while they’re in the classroom anymore than I expect anyone to check their Catholic faith at the door when they leave the classroom.

I think there is definately a “generation gap” with regard to the perception some people have regarding homeschool. “Back in the day” when homeschooling was almost (or actually) illegal, parents who homeschooled kept their kids very sheltered to avoid being arrested for causing truancy. “Now-a-days” homeschooled children are usually out in the world more than kids in traditional schools. I know lots of homeschooling families and have yet to meet any of those sheltered, socially awkward kids that are supposedly the “norm” for homeschooling.

That being said, the issue of having teachers in Catholic schools that are publically leading immoral lives isn’t really an issue of sheltering the kids. The issue is that teachers are role-models and they should conform to a certain standard of behavior. This is true in any school. When the school is a Catholic school, Catholic morals is part of the standard of behaivior. Even if the kids know nothing about the teacher’s alternative lifestyle, the school has a duty to the parents. Rewarding a teacher for flaunting her dissent from Church teaching is not fulfillling the school’s duty to the parents.

 

[Debora123]

Ditto!!! I have also been in situations like this and tend to completely ignore the self-righteous opinions.

There are plenty of closeted gay teachers within the Catholic school system. After reading this thread, I understand why.

This witch hunt mind set seems to only apply to gays. The self righteous don’t go after the single straight males and females. They are in relationships too, and (OMG!) having sex, using birth control, etc. When it comes to the morals clause in their contract - let’s just look the other way.

…My thoughts exactly - though I think you did a better job of explaining it than I did.

 

[Corki]

This witch hunt mind set seems to only apply to gays. The self righteous don’t go after the single straight males and females. They are in relationships too, and (OMG!) having sex, using birth control, etc. When it comes to the morals clause in their contract - let’s just look the other way.

That’s not true. If you look at threads just on this site, you will see the same standard applied to all individuals who *publically * live in a way inconsistent with Church teaching. There was a recent case of a woman fired for volunteering as an abortion escort, for example. Teachers are fired for living with boyfriends/girlfriends before marriage, for getting pregnant via IVF, even for having children out of wedlock. I personally know a teacher who was let go because she was a Catholic who married outside the Church (without dispensation).

To paint this as a witch hunt against homosexuals is to see only what you want to see which is a narrow section of realilty.