Homosexual Teachers in Catholic Schools

[Elizabeth502]

That’s not true. If you look at threads just on this site, you will see the same standard applied to all individuals who *publically * live in a way inconsistent with Church teaching. There was a recent case of a woman fired for volunteering as an abortion escort, for example. Teachers are fired for living with boyfriends/girlfriends before marriage, for getting pregnant via IVF, even for having children out of wedlock. I personally know a teacher who was let go because she was a Catholic who married outside the Church (without dispensation).

Yep. But as you note below, there are posters who really are not interested in acknowledging these objective facts.

To paint this as a witch hunt against homosexuals is to see only what you want to see which is a narrow section of realilty.

Ain’t that the truth!

 

[sw85]

Just a thought, but I notice a lot of people here keep using the phrase “witch hunt.”

What are we saying by that, really? The witch hunts were wrong because the people killed weren’t actually witches. Are we saying the teachers being fired aren’t actually gay?

I mean, if there were in fact witches (i.e., not merely Wiccans but people who sold their souls to Satan for the power to corrupt and kill), wouldn’t it be not only good to hunt them down but our duty to do so?

You won’t get an argument from me, by the way, that straight people living in sin have no place in the moral instruction of youth. And to say otherwise of me or anyone else is here is to make a judgment of another that is contrary to the spirit of charity.

 

[Debora123]

That’s not true. If you look at threads just on this site, you will see the same standard applied to all individuals who *publically * live in a way inconsistent with Church teaching. There was a recent case of a woman fired for volunteering as an abortion escort, for example. Teachers are fired for living with boyfriends/girlfriends before marriage, for getting pregnant via IVF, even for having children out of wedlock. I personally know a teacher who was let go because she was a Catholic who married outside the Church (without dispensation).

To paint this as a witch hunt against homosexuals is to see only what you want to see which is a narrow section of realilty.

Wow, a young woman is pregnant out of wedlock and the first thing we do is fire her, leaving her unemployed while carrying a child?

What if she went to confession for it and the priest absolved her of her sins, would she still get the boot?

 

[Corki]

Wow, a young woman is pregnant out of wedlock and the first thing we do is fire her, leaving her unemployed while carrying a child?

What if she went to confession for it and the priest absolved her of her sins, would she still get the boot?

It wasn’t the “first thing they did”. How did you jump to that conclusion?

If the issue is her being an appropriate role-model, would absolution change that? When someone is forgiven, it doesn’t mean there are not still consequences to sinful behavior.

Whether you agree that she is a poor role model for school children or not is irrelevant. The example was given to refute the charge (by you and others) that no one cares about the sins of anyone except those who are openly living a homosexual lifestyle.

 

[Debora123]

It wasn’t the “first thing they did”. How did you jump to that conclusion?

Ok, let me reword it:

“Wow, a young woman is pregnant out of wedlock and the right thing to do is fire her, leaving her unemployed while carrying a child?”



Honestly, did that even change anything?? My point is still the same.

If the issue is her being an appropriate role-model, would absolution change that? When someone is forgiven, it doesn’t mean there are not still consequences to sinful behavior.

So is your answer “yes” then?

She would still get the boot even if she went to confession and was absolved from her sins?

 

[Debora123]

The example was given to refute the charge (by you and others) that no one cares about the sins of anyone except those who are openly living a homosexual lifestyle.

Well… if you say so I guess, but I was just talking based on my observation and what I’ve seen and continue to see around here. As I’ve said, I’m not biased towards gays any more/less than any other sinner out there (which is all of us).

And also, I agree that a teacher shouldn’t be “open” to her classroom or to the public about being gay, just as she shouldn’t be “open” to her classroom about any other sins she takes part in.

…Which is why, on another post, I made the comment about someone being very private about their homosexual activity, and only engaging in the behavior behind the closed doors of their homes.

 

[PatriceA]

Ok, let me reword it:

Wow, a young woman is pregnant out of wedlock and the right thing to do is fire her, leaving her unemployed while carrying a child?



Honestly, did that even change anything?? My point is still the same.

So is your answer “yes” then?

She would still get the boot even if she went to confession and was absolved from her sins?

If there was a morality clause in her contract, then yep she’d be fired. Violating any of the terms of a contract is grounds for dismissal. I can’t have much sympathy for a teacher that signs a contract, knows the terms up front, and violates those terms. If they can’t agree to the contract, find a teaching job that doesn’t have such a stringent morality clause.

Going to a priest to absolve her of her sins has nothing to do with the contract she agreed to uphold. She’s still be held responsible for her actions and the consequences as stated by her teaching contract.

 

[Debora123]

If there was a morality clause in her contract, then yep she’d be fired. Violating any of the terms of a contract is grounds for dismissal. I can’t have much sympathy for a teacher that signs a contract, knows the terms up front, and violates those terms. If they can’t agree to the contract, find a teaching job that doesn’t have such a stringent morality clause.

Going to a priest to absolve her of her sins has nothing to do with the contract she agreed to uphold. She’s still be held responsible for her actions and the consequences as stated by her teaching contract.

Ah I see. Thanks for answering.

The reason I feel differently than you about “not having much sympathy for a teacher who signs a contract,” in this case, is because there would be another innocent life involved.

 

[PatriceA]

Ah I see. Thanks for answering.

The reason I feel differently than you about “not having much sympathy for a teacher who signs a contract,” in this case, is because there would be another innocent life involved.

I would have sympathy for her as a person, but not as a teacher if she knew the terms of her contract upfront.

 

[Debora123]

I would have sympathy for her as a person, but not as a teacher if she knew the terms of her contract upfront.

I don’t see how you can really separate the 2…

I suppose I disagree with your notion that firing a pregnant woman out of wedlock is the right thing to do, especially if she went to confession. She would lose her source of income and health insurance for the baby.