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Well thank you for making a well backed up statement calling me a nitwit. Glad to see your argument stands on more than ad hominem…

You were not specifically addressed in post #26. But apparently you thought it applied to you? 😉

I went on the make points showing why this is a nitwit mentality, points that you refused to answer, apparently because you were stumped? Truly, the notion that any two people who agree to needlessly harm each other is a nitwit mentality. Do you agree or not? :confused:
How exactly did I not address your points in post 20?

And no, I do not agree. If people want to harm themselves, why should they not be allowed to? If you take regulating that to the extreme, should we make rock climbing or bungee jumping illegal? Should we make smoking, drinking, and eating at fast food restaurants illegal? Should we make any driving that isn’t to and from work illegal?
 
jm

Once again, ATHEISM MEANS NOT HAVING A BELIEF IN A GOD. NOTHING MORE.

Once again, YOU ARE IN DENIAL.

And no, I do not agree. If people want to harm themselves, why should they not be allowed to?

Spoken like a typical atheist, not a Christian.

By the way, I said harm each other, not themselves!

More denial of what I said to suit yourself.

I said: …** people who agree to needlessly harm each other is a nitwit mentality. Do you agree or not?**

Again, you refuse to answer. More denial of your obligation to participate in this forum as a player.
 
To everyone:

“Never argue with nitwits. They will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Mark Twain
 
Once again, YOU ARE IN DENIAL.
Please tell me WHY I am in denial.
By the way, I said harm each other, not themselves!

More denial of what I said to suit yourself.
Um, no. If a group of people is all alright with harming themselves, say SM, then they are harming themselves and other consenting people, who are also harming themselves. There is no UNWANTED harm of others.
Again, you refuse to answer. More denial of your obligation to participate in this forum as a player.
I said I disagree, and even explained why, on several occasions. You are doing everything you can to paint me as a liar in denial, mostly by just saying that’s what I am. Please explain WHY I am in denial. Otherwise you are unfairly discrediting me. Which is your right, but at least one of us, me, is not resorting to ad hominem as an argument.

And you are violating forum rules by continuing to just call me a nitwit. Please use arguments, not personal attacks.
 
What faith do I have? I don’t believe there isn’t a god and I don’t believe there is one. My stance is I don’t know, and can’t know until there is a reason to, that there is or isn’t a god. What faith is involved in that?
Then you have incorrectly labeled yourself. As you state your stance, you are an agnostic, not an atheist.
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jm

You are doing everything you can to paint me as a liar in denial, mostly by just saying that’s what I am.

I’m not the only one in this forum you say has accused you of being a liar. It is apparently your favorite accusation when you want to cover up your falsehoods.

Um, no. If a group of people is all alright with harming themselves, say SM, then they are harming themselves and other consenting people, who are also harming themselves. There is no UNWANTED harm of others.

Um, if two men consent to a duel, they want to harm each other. They also cause UNWANTED harm to those who love them and will have to suffer with the stupid death of either or both of them.

**And you are violating forum rules by continuing to just call me a nitwit. Please use arguments, not personal attacks. **

Mark Twain did not call you a nitwit. Nor did I. Go back and read my posts. You are never names as a nitwit. You are violating forum rules by continuing to accuse people of calling you a liar when they have not.

**What faith do I have? I don’t believe there isn’t a god and I don’t believe there is one. My stance is I don’t know, and can’t know until there is a reason to, that there is or isn’t a god. What faith is involved in that? **

More denial of what you really believe. You live as though there is no God, and then you say you can’t be sure if there is or isn’t a God. If you are going to live as though there is no God, you have committed yourself to atheism.You have denied God the worship and friendship God is due. That is atheism, pure and simple. 🤷
 
Expanding on my earlier remark…

It has been said (by a believer, I think) that the vast majority of believers (including those in religious ranks) are also technically speaking agnostics. A small percentage of believers have an unwavering faith, regardless of events in their personal lives. When seen in that light, agnosticism is the largest spectrum of people, ranging from the highly skeptical on the one hand to the fervent (but with imperfect faith) on the other.

From the Greek (of course), the agnostic is “without knowledge.” The atheist is (more convictedly) “without God.”
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To everyone:

“Never argue with nitwits. They will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Mark Twain
Charlemagne ll’s definition of a nitwit: “Someone who argues reasonably and disagrees with Charlemagne ll.”
 
Gaber

**Charlemagne ll’s definition of a nitwit: “Someone who argues reasonably and disagrees with Charlemagne ll.” **

Leave out the “reasonably” and you’ve got it! :D:thumbsup:
 
To address the comment
that pedophilia is different from adult gay sex because pedophilia is rape
and not consensual,
yes, I AGREE that pedophilia is rape.

My friend was raped at age 8 by her dad’s best friend.
And dear old dad blamed HER, a child, for seducing his 40 year old friend !!!
Talk about gall.

But pedophiles, in thier depravity, do not consider what they are doing “rape”.
They THINK that they “love” the child.
They SAY so.
THEY also claim that God instilled THOSE desires into them.

God does not instill same sex desires, or any other desires which it would be always
forbidden to give in to, into anyone.
All disordered desires come from the body/soul/spirit disconnect that
exist in all people because of the Fall way back in the mists of preHistory.
“Original Sin” is not universal personal guilt, it is the lack of perfection
which manifests itself in different people in different ways.
And those disordered passions must be denied expression by us
if we are to achieve spiritual perfection.

Gay Sex being proscribed is NOT based on catholic theology!!
Why do you keep repeating that canard???
It has been forbidden by all societies everywhere,
except those that were on their way OUT.
Modern religions which now ACCEPT and CONDONE it
only do so after Apostasizing from their Religion’s own universal tenets.

Proscribing same-sex behavior is the universal human social norm, regardless of race or creed, for all of recorded history, and is not based on Catholic Theology but
on the deeply-innate knowledge, which all human beings have, including those who
now condone it, that this behavior is NOT RIGHT, whether it is consensual or not,
and it spreads diseases AND harms, in the case of males, the receptor partner’s body, and therefore DOES affect the rest of society, just from
that angle alone. All defences of this behavior are specious and avoid discussing reality.
 
I’ve never seen so many people get so worked up about something that doesn’t affect them at all. Gays represent maybe 2-4% of the population. You can’t “catch” homosexuality.

Hate sodomy? Don’t do it. Stop obsessing about it. When gay marriage comes on the ballot, vote against it.

IT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU.

Why this sin is the one sin that gets so much attention on this site is easy to see. It is BECAUSE it doesn’t affect you that you get to feel all superior about it. You all know it will never be an issue for you, so you can sit up in your ivory towers talking about how evil and disordered it is.

How many threads have their been where somebody masturbates 5 times a day and “can’t” stop, and he gets sympathy and prayers? I would love to see a thread where a guy goes out and just “can’t” stop having sex with 5 guys a day. He would get nailed to the wall.
 
I’ve never seen so many people get so worked up about something that doesn’t affect them at all. Gays represent maybe 2-4% of the population. You can’t “catch” homosexuality.
Why don’t you share with us what hard evidence you have – not your assumptions, but evidence – that anonymous strangers on a message board are “so worked up?” And be sure to compare the posts here to the threads you have opened and contributed to which include broad generalizations, emotional statements and CAPITAL LETTERS (like here) on various subjects, you know, the posts about homosexuality, masturbation, and contraception. Perhaps you can analyze for us how calm & composed you are versus supposedly how “worked up” everyone else is. 😉

You have no credible evidence about any poster’s emotional state. You may assume that posters who consistently contribute to various subjects are probably very interested in those subjects, but how “worked up” they are is not something you can assess. And being passionately interested in a topic, even invested in it, is legitimate. By the way, the Bishops of this country do not agree with you that expressing interest in contemporary issues – whether passionately or dispassionately – is inappropriate because supposedly “other people’s behavior” “doesn’t affect them at all.” And that includes homosexual “marriage,” about which they are very specific.

Read the USCCB documents which are linked in the Social Justice forum. According to your bishops, institutionalizing homosexual couplings and illegitimately referring to that as “marriage” does indeed affect those not in those relationships, just as I am affected by divorce statistics and by spousal abuse, while not divorced or abused.

www.marriageforareason.org
(Only one of many Church documents on how essential traditional marriage is to a society, and how the regulations about marriage affect us all.)
Hate sodomy? Don’t do it. Stop obsessing about it.
Again, what evidence do you have for your assumption that others are “obsessing?” (That’s right: none.)
When gay marriage comes on the ballot, vote against it.
The Church’s position on Faithful Citizenship involves much more than voting. It involves rational argument, witness, and persuasion, but you sound as if you would prefer to halt certain subjects on CAF -subjects which are also clergy concerns, including the Vatican’s-- from being discussed “too much.” Actually, most people on this forum who are concerned about this issue rarely start a thread about it. (We mistakenly assume that most Catholics actually know their faith, including the Bishops’ and Vatican’s statements on this issue.) But apparently you would prefer to exercise some veto power over who gets to respond to such threads, and how often opposers get to post?
IT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU.
Nah, not a “worked up” statement. :rolleyes:
Why this sin is the one sin that gets so much attention on this site is easy to see. It is BECAUSE it doesn’t affect you that you get to feel all superior about it. You all know it will never be an issue for you, so you can sit up in your ivory towers talking about how evil and disordered it is.
Thank you for the self-appointed psychiatry from a distance. Except that again, you have zero evidence for how anyone else here “feels” relative to anyone or any subject about which they post. So consider who just might be sitting in that ivory tower? 😉
How many threads have their been where somebody masturbates 5 times a day and “can’t” stop, and he gets sympathy and prayers?
There have been a number of them, actually, and with many sympathetic responses. Some of those threads occurred long before you became a member and started contributing to this discussion forum.
I would love to see a thread where a guy goes out and just “can’t” stop having sex with 5 guys a day. He would get nailed to the wall.
Um, speaking of worked up, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time (on threads overall) criticizing other CAF posters for responses you assume they will have. From these many posts, it’s beginning to sound as if you have more of an agenda to stereotype CAF users than an agenda to contribute constructively to the issues in the debates. We are in fact supposed to discuss issues, not to speculate about each other’s motivations. I should not be contributing to that myself, except that once again you are categorizing posters (as you have elsewhere) in a very “personal” way, which virtually requires them to defend themselves and to question why you are doing this.
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Why don’t you share with us what hard evidence you have – not your assumptions, but evidence – that anonymous strangers on a message board are “so worked up?” And be sure to compare the posts here to the threads you have opened and contributed to which include broad generalizations, emotional statements and CAPITAL LETTERS (like here) on various subjects, you know, the posts about homosexuality, masturbation, and contraception. Perhaps you can analyze for us how calm & composed you are versus supposedly how “worked up” everyone else is. 😉

You have no credible evidence about any poster’s emotional state. You may assume that posters who consistently contribute to various subjects are probably very interested in those subjects, but how “worked up” they are is not something you can assess. And being passionately interested in a topic, even invested in it, is legitimate. By the way, the Bishops of this country do not agree with you that expressing interest in contemporary issues – whether passionately or dispassionately – is inappropriate because supposedly “other people’s behavior” “doesn’t affect them at all.” And that includes homosexual “marriage,” about which they are very specific.

Read the USCCB documents which are linked in the Social Justice forum. According to your bishops, institutionalizing homosexual couplings and illegitimately referring to that as “marriage” does indeed affect those not in those relationships, just as I am affected by divorce statistics and by spousal abuse, while not divorced or abused.

www.marriageforareason.org
(Only one of many Church documents on how essential traditional marriage is to a society, and how the regulations about marriage affect us all.)

Again, what evidence do you have for your assumption that others are “obsessing?” (That’s right: none.)

The Church’s position on Faithful Citizenship involves much more than voting. It involves rational argument, witness, and persuasion, but you sound as if you would prefer to halt certain subjects on CAF -subjects which are also clergy concerns, including the Vatican’s-- from being discussed “too much.” Actually, most people on this forum who are concerned about this issue rarely start a thread about it. (We mistakenly assume that most Catholics actually know their faith, including the Bishops’ and Vatican’s statements on this issue.) But apparently you would prefer to exercise some veto power over who gets to respond to such threads, and how often opposers get to post?

Nah, not a “worked up” statement. :rolleyes:

Thank you for the self-appointed psychiatry from a distance. Except that again, you have zero evidence for how anyone else here “feels” relative to anyone or any subject about which they post. So consider who just might be sitting in that ivory tower? 😉

There have been a number of them, actually, and with many sympathetic responses. Some of those threads occurred long before you became a member and started contributing to this discussion forum.

Um, speaking of worked up, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time (on threads overall) criticizing other CAF posters for responses you assume they will have. From these many posts, it’s beginning to sound as if you have more of an agenda to stereotype CAF users than an agenda to contribute constructively to the issues in the debates. We are in fact supposed to discuss issues, not to speculate about each other’s motivations. I should not be contributing to that myself, except that once again you are categorizing posters (as you have elsewhere) in a very “personal” way, which virtually requires them to defend themselves and to question why you are doing this.
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By “worked up”, I simply mean that the same people post to these threads on a regular basis (hardly a thread about homosexuality escapes YOUR attention, for example), and that emotional words are often used to describe homosexual behavior. Of course, most people here have the good sense to veil their bigotry in words like “disordered” and through arguments about Natural Law, but the fact is that less than 10% of people self-identify as homosexuals. With such a low incidence, we can extrapolate how little this affects any of you (especially the members of CAF) directly, and yet every time a thread has the word “homosexuality” in the title, you can be sure that it will go on for pages and pages, often until it gets so nasty that it is closed and deleted.

My point about the masturbation threads is just this: it’s something a majority of people have done at some point, so sympathy abounds here on CAF for those who just “can’t” quit. I would be shocked if someone having frequent gay sex and then lamenting about it later like the masturbators got anywhere near the same number of prayers and sympathy. More likely he would get a bunch of people telling him how disordered his behavior is, how vile and disgusting it is, etc.

People’s interest in this subject on CAF seems to be inversely proportionate to how this subject actually affects their lives. People post about it so they can pontificate on the vileness of it all and their particular pet theories about why it’s so wrong and disgusting. Others chime in in agreement in one big righteous … while one or two people actually have the sense to point out that maybe they should take the planks out of their own eyes before criticizing the mote in their neighbor’s.

Here’s a tip people: that television in your living room; that computer you are using to spew your anti-homosexual diatribes, those things are FAR more likely to endanger your child’s soul than the nice gay man down the street who lives with his mother. If you even stopped to think how much you would probably throw them out the window right now. But then, you would actually have to put pen to paper to articulate your stance on disordered sexual behaviors, and even then, who would read it?
 
Um, speaking of worked up, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time (on threads overall) criticizing other CAF posters for responses you assume they will have. From these many posts, it’s beginning to sound as if you have more of an agenda to stereotype CAF users than an agenda to contribute constructively to the issues in the debates. We are in fact supposed to discuss issues, not to speculate about each other’s motivations. I should not be contributing to that myself, except that once again you are categorizing posters (as you have elsewhere) in a very “personal” way, which virtually requires them to defend themselves and to question why you are doing this.
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In other news, did you hear that this man passed away a few days ago?

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Here is what so many people do not realize. If there is no God then the comments about leave the homosexuals alone it does not bother you applies. However since there is a God every act of immoralty that we accept as a society affects us all. We become complacent with time and ingnore the events that go on around us. The natural disasters etc… As a society we are getting worst every day and becoming more atheistic in nature. There are many people who worship Lucifer indirectly and claim they are Christians and good people. Look around you! Homosexuality affects us all as a society. Do not ever forget that.
 
Here is what so many people do not realize. If there is no God then the comments about leave the homosexuals alone it does not bother you applies. However since there is a God every act of immoralty that we accept as a society affects us all. We become complacent with time and ingnore the events that go on around us. The natural disasters etc… As a society we are getting worst every day and becoming more atheistic in nature. There are many people who worship Lucifer indirectly and claim they are Christians and good people. Look around you! Homosexuality affects us all as a society. Do not ever forget that.
In fact, statistically, this is one of the most peaceful times in human history. It is actually getting, as a trend, better every day. And the evil harbored as haterd by many anti gays is so murderous as to warent its own category of sin. And if you go to being concerned about moraliry, your business is your morality. God doesn’t seem to care one way or another, as there has been no advertisex apocalypse based on anything other thatn our own general hatred for one another based on inculcated belief systems, including rleigion. So how about you keeo yourself sorted, and let God sort out what is His to sort? Or pwerhps you wish to userp Divine prerogative? Good luck, you will only cause more turmoil. The alleged and construed harm to you done by others through acts that have no bearing on your actual welfare cannot be used as an excuse to promote social defenses aginst your won weakness in charity or anything else.
 
I’ve never seen so many people get so worked up about something that doesn’t affect them at all. Gays represent maybe 2-4% of the population. You can’t “catch” homosexuality.

Hate sodomy? Don’t do it. Stop obsessing about it. When gay marriage comes on the ballot, vote against it.

IT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU.

Why this sin is the one sin that gets so much attention on this site is easy to see. It is BECAUSE it doesn’t affect you that you get to feel all superior about it. You all know it will never be an issue for you, so you can sit up in your ivory towers talking about how evil and disordered it is.

How many threads have their been where somebody masturbates 5 times a day and “can’t” stop, and he gets sympathy and prayers? I would love to see a thread where a guy goes out and just “can’t” stop having sex with 5 guys a day. He would get nailed to the wall.
It does affect all of us. The reason it keeps coming back up is because the activists keep bringing it back up and trying to justify it and normalize it as if its the same thing as the civil rights in the 60’s. People here are speaking out against it because they are tired of the secular liberal media trying to shove it down their throats.

I have also noticed threads in the past where people state that they have acted on ‘same sex attractions’ and are trying to break this habit or desire and a lot of people were sympathetic and offered prayers for them.

When gay marriage was on the ballot people did vote against it (twice in the land of fruit and nuts - California) only to be overturned by a liberal activist judge. So this may have something to do with the number of threads on this subject.
 
Day someone wants to marry their hand, we’ll compare homosexuality to masturbation. They’re both wrong but masturbation addicts aren’t asking the whole world to accept what they do. If they come here, they’re more than likely wanting help against their addiction, not praise and acceptance.
 
Quick question, is homoxuality inborn or just a “bad” habit? 😉
Asked, answered, and discussed dozens of time on this forum. Since you’re new, why don’t you do a search on this FAQ?
 
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