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cue
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Yes, and it doesn’t need to define us. Just because someone feels jealous doesn’t mean that feeling has to be our primary characteristic. It is only one of many, many feelings we have.
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buffalo
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Should we live the jealous lifestyle? Should we expect others to embrace and accept our jealous lifestyle? Should we expect laws to be made to protect our jealous lifestyle?
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Island_Oak
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Interesting to consider that genius-level intellectual capacity, musical facility and artistic talent, jaw-dropping physical beauty and exceptional athleticism are all deviations from “normal” as well. Anyone worried about “curing” these conditions because they might lead an individual to sin? Perhaps we should worry less about reprograming people around us. After all, God designed them as they are–who are we to presume they need to be “fixed.” I think we’re better off learning how to appreciate the gifts and talents with which God has blessed us and everyone around us.
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buffalo
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Does this mean embrace the lifestyle?
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Island_Oak
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What “lifestyle” is defined by one’s talents?
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buffalo
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Just checking.
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setter
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I agree that it is rude to tell someone that they have a mental disorder, unless you are a treating professional or have the relationship permission to do so. However, a disordered sexual desire is none the less a sign of a maladaptive psychosexual identity and a symptom of an underlying psychological disorder.
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opticks
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I think what is interesting is that there is a schism in the gay community as to the “cause” of their gayness. IIRC, the old guard holds that it is purely a choice to be gay. In contrast, it seems most of the younger folks today seem to feel there is a gay gene.
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sing
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homosexuality has existed at all times, in all cultures. I don’t think you can blame it on food or pollution, or the current state of the traditional family, or declining morals.
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Digger71
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There is a great deal of evidence that homosexuality is at least partially physically determined, such as hyper masculinisation, birth order, twin studies, fucundity on the mothers side.
It genesis is still a mystery, but as physical phenotypes are identified the claim homosexuality is a psychological disorder fail.
At the very least we would be discussing multiple psychological disorders.
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Digger71
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In my experiences. I never met a bisexual woman who didnt end up with a man.
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Voco_proTatiano
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Dear Friends,
I think ‘Mental Disorder’ is possibly an incorrect term.
What evidence there is, indicates that the brain of the afflicted person is in no way damaged, but the ‘operating system’ may be incorrectly initialised,
Most of us have seen the goslings that were ‘imprinted’ on their handlers. That is, the first moving item that gosl;ing see, upon hatching, is defined as ‘mother’. In most cases in nature, this is correct, but on farms, and in other artificial environments, this can be untrue. This is a kind of ‘incorrect’ ‘initialisation’.
Now SSA ‘initialisation error’ can be caused by in-utero chemical accidents, by genetic errors, or by early experience, as in the case of the goslings.
What we do know, is that ‘incorrect initialisation’ seems to be irreversible.
Now, do you classify goslings imprinted on their handlers to be ‘mentally ill’? Or do you classify your dog, who/which treats you as ‘senior wolf’ as mentally ill?.
They both have disordered psyches, that is true.
And in their NATURAL environment, that disorder might be fatal, but in the artificial environment, in which they will spend the rest of their lives, unless betrayed by their handlers, the disorder is for the most part beneficial.
How the above is applicable to SSA affliction is another story.
I think ‘Mental Disorder’ is possibly an incorrect term.
What evidence there is, indicates that the brain of the afflicted person is in no way damaged, but the ‘operating system’ may be incorrectly initialised,
Most of us have seen the goslings that were ‘imprinted’ on their handlers. That is, the first moving item that gosl;ing see, upon hatching, is defined as ‘mother’. In most cases in nature, this is correct, but on farms, and in other artificial environments, this can be untrue. This is a kind of ‘incorrect’ ‘initialisation’.
Now SSA ‘initialisation error’ can be caused by in-utero chemical accidents, by genetic errors, or by early experience, as in the case of the goslings.
What we do know, is that ‘incorrect initialisation’ seems to be irreversible.
Now, do you classify goslings imprinted on their handlers to be ‘mentally ill’? Or do you classify your dog, who/which treats you as ‘senior wolf’ as mentally ill?.
They both have disordered psyches, that is true.
And in their NATURAL environment, that disorder might be fatal, but in the artificial environment, in which they will spend the rest of their lives, unless betrayed by their handlers, the disorder is for the most part beneficial.
How the above is applicable to SSA affliction is another story.
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ForwardProgress
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Is bisexuality a real thing? I mean, I would consider someone who has a homosexual attraction to be a homosexual…not a bisexual…we are ‘normal’ to want the opposite sex, that’s how nature works…to want the same sex makes one a homosexual, right? Not bisexual…
Is that kind of like being agnostic?
Is that kind of like being agnostic?
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Digger71
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My experience of bisexuals is that bisexual men always end up with men, and bisexual women always end up with men.
Maybe that just makes men fabulous.
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Syele
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This is my personal theory, based on actual experience. I think the problem comes it with words like orientation implying that it’s something fixed like having brown hair.
SSA is a feeling, We feel attracted to someone. Things like dating someone of the same gender, same gender sex, marching in Gay Pride Parades, going to LGBF groups, these are actions we do that ultimately result from the feeling we had. In most churches, including the Catholic one, it’s the actions that are considered sin, not the feelings.
So if you want to remove the feeling, you have to deal with what led to it in the first place. I think most “orientation changers” think it results from some BIG issue causing the feelings, while most of the time I believe it’s really something that wouldn’t stand out to you as the “cause”. The other problem with “orientation changers” is that they get people to WORK to change their actions, while the feelings of attraction still exist. This is a very hard if not mostly impossible thing to do.
In my personal case, God showed me the cause. I was confused by something my father once said to me. Interestingly enough, what he said had nothing to do with sex, sexual orientation or anything I thought was remotely related.
If you have already chosen to live how God wants you to and are getting married to a man, You can just say “It dosn’t matter.” I have a bisexual friend who’s done just that. If you don’t want to change, Why are you trying to figure out the cause of you SSA feelings?
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I think the reason homosexuality is so socially acceptable in some circles is because of the issue of consent. If two consenting adults can do it behind closed doors, it’s okay, so say many eighteen year olds at liberal arts colleges. That means that rape and pedophilia are unacceptable because they lack consent. Orgies on the street are out because they lack the “behind closed doors” aspect. This is fine for people who do not share the Catholic set of morals. Jesus never said it was easy to be perfect as our Father is, so most people would rather ignore it and just do what they want. They would rather be a slave to their own desires and confuse these feelings for something righteous just because of their hormones. This has been true for thousands of years. Catholics (truthfully everyone, but Catholics in particular recognize it) are called to something much greater, that is, godliness. Heavenly perfection. Therefore, we are to follow God’s definition of marriage as outlined by the church. It’s not about what we want, but about what Jesus wants.
People commiting homosexual acts and living that lifestyle who do not wish to be judged as immoral in a Catholic discussion forum are like a shaggy dog at a beauty pageant. No matter how you word it or dress it up, it’s still a shaggy dog. Consider your audience. If you want to be applauded for your lifestyle, you should go to a website that supports it.
The Catholic church loves homosexuals, by the way. They also love pedophiles, rapists, drug dealers, tax collectors, prostitutes, abortion doctors, alcoholics, and yes, even John Kerry and Martin Luther. The church just hates the sins committed. Temptation alone does not condemn us. Even Jesus was tempted. It’s the sin that separates us from God. On Ash Wednesday, some of us were told, “Turn away from sin and be faithful to the gospel.” That’s what it’s about.
God has a higher idea of what we all are that most of us can’t even fathom. It’s up to us whether we want to try and live it.
People commiting homosexual acts and living that lifestyle who do not wish to be judged as immoral in a Catholic discussion forum are like a shaggy dog at a beauty pageant. No matter how you word it or dress it up, it’s still a shaggy dog. Consider your audience. If you want to be applauded for your lifestyle, you should go to a website that supports it.
The Catholic church loves homosexuals, by the way. They also love pedophiles, rapists, drug dealers, tax collectors, prostitutes, abortion doctors, alcoholics, and yes, even John Kerry and Martin Luther. The church just hates the sins committed. Temptation alone does not condemn us. Even Jesus was tempted. It’s the sin that separates us from God. On Ash Wednesday, some of us were told, “Turn away from sin and be faithful to the gospel.” That’s what it’s about.
God has a higher idea of what we all are that most of us can’t even fathom. It’s up to us whether we want to try and live it.
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sing
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I’m not. I’m trying to use myself as an example that goes against generalizations made by people who consider homosexuality to be a mental disorder.I don’t believe that they are merely “feelings”. I think it’s just as valid as heterosexuality. I know this goes against Church teachings, so no need to attack me.
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Syele
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ok. I understand now. I never intended to attack you, I just genuinely wanted to know, I’m not even Catholic. I agree with you that it’s not a mental disorder.
Don’t discount feelings, Feelings can be extremely strong and enduring. People can feel intense love for another person for YEARS. People can feel so depressed they kill themselves. I’m not talking about “oh I feel happy we’re having bananas for breakfast” kind of feelings. Some kind of feelings can’t be just turned on an off like a switch. You can’t stop feeling grief over the death of your mother because someone tells you too. You can’t just stop feeling love for someone you truly love. You can’t just decide to not feel attracted to certian people. Try telling a heterosexual they should just stop feeling attracted to people with dark hair.
They can’t “just stop” either, they are attracted to them or they aren’t.
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Abira
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Hi Sing and all, I know how you feel…I often feel ver defensive when trying to explain SSA to people…sometimes they do attack me (well most of the time lol…) and sometimes it’s just a reaction to defend yourself just in case.
I have SSA and am a normal (for the most part) person… I’ve never suffered with any disorder, depression, well…nothing really. For me it is just something that I am and the question is what to do about it.
Most of my issues have come from trying to answer this question. I have never been confused about SSA… you either have it or you don’t. But then I know from experience that SSA is more often than not, not a choice… and this is something that sometime’s cannot translate to those without the personal inner experience.
Take care, S
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buffalo
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