Homosexuality: A Mental Disorder?

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I have heard recently that more and more people are accepting homosexuality as a “mental disorder” of sorts. What evidence is there to prove this?

I, of course, disagree.

Respectfully,
Mark

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Homosexuality is clearly abnormal. Looking at it from a naturalistic point of view, it does not promote the propagation of the species, the most important aspect of natural selection.

It is a mental disorder of, at this point, unknown origins. That some people choose is in not in dispute. That some people **do not appear **to choose same-sex-attraction is not in dispute either.

But schizophrenics and those suffering from bipolar disorders do not choose them either.

It is a mental disorder, even if the DSM-IV no longer calls it such.

Yet it is a mental disorder that does not deprive the sufferer of free will. So while the attraction is unnatural and disordered, it is not inherently sinful. Now if a person acts on these attractions and engages in homosexual activity, that is seriously sinful.

But then, I suspect you already knew this.

(Why is it the always the low post count people pose such questions?)
 
I do not think Homosexuality is a mental disorder, but in a sense your right. It does have to do with the brains wiring so yes, in a way. I try not to judge people though, because my faith does not allow it.
 
Historically, homosexuality has been listed in the APA’s list of psychological disorders.

It has only been in the last few years that the gay lobby pressured them to remove it.

But, many psychologists want it put back in because they do not believe disorders should be determined by political correctness, but by clinical methods, what they know to be true from study and years as a therapist.
 
Historically, homosexuality has been listed in the APA’s list of psychological disorders.

It has only been in the last few years that the gay lobby pressured them to remove it.
Only a few years? It was 1973!
 
I have heard recently that more and more people are accepting homosexuality as a “mental disorder” of sorts. What evidence is there to prove this?

I, of course, disagree.

Respectfully,
Mark

Touch gloves and keep it clean
the term mental disorder is very imprecise, but until recently, when the American Psychiatric Association changed the definition, homosexuality was classified as a personality disorder that warranted psychiatric treatment. Since those in charge of that change were themselves self-identified homosexuals or proponents of the political agenda of the gay movement, including a majority of those recently named by the APA to a board defining treatment for homosexuals seeking to change that orientation, this definition is not without controversey.
 
I do not think Homosexuality is a mental disorder, but in a sense your right. It does have to do with the brains wiring so yes, in a way. Iit.
there is no definite proof of this theory, or of any other proposed explanation for the origin of the homosexual inclination, orientation or behavior, so any discussion that claims to pronounce a definite cause has moved beyond science into speculation, and is not profitable.\

in any case, the question as posed by OP does not belong on the morality forum.
 
No, it is not a mental disorder. More and more signs point towards a genetic cause for same-gender attraction.

They are good, normal, loving, spiritual, and holy people. They contribute quite a bit to society with their talents like every other one of us.
 
Only a few years? It was 1973!
Yes-and it was taken off the list by a plurality vote of those present at a convention. perhaps the should meet and vote out cancer as a disease. Should save millions of lives a year.

The latest ploy of the Homosexual behavior rights crowd is to try and convince the APA to pass a rule saying it is malpractice to treat homosexuals who want to change their behavior.
 
No, it is not a mental disorder. More and more signs point towards a genetic cause for same-gender attraction.

They are good, normal, loving, spiritual, and holy people. They contribute quite a bit to society with their talents like every other one of us.
Other than the fact they are enaged in grevious sin they are very spirtual ,right? You should have the these spiritual, holy people at the gay pride March in Denver .

BTW-I know of NO studies that indicate any gentic component of SSA-can you link to a peer reviewed study that claims this?
 
No, it is not a mental disorder. More and more signs point towards a genetic cause for same-gender attraction.

They are good, normal, loving, spiritual, and holy people. They contribute quite a bit to society with their talents like every other one of us.
First, there is no proof that homosexuality has genetic origins. There are a lot of people who want this to be true. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps they stupidly and foolishly think that if it is genetic then it is normal and therefore we should accept it. That is a baseless and destructive assumption that is easily demonstrated to be false. Secondly, there are certainly people who choose to engage in this behavior.

Schizophrenia and bipolar disorders are genetic in origin. Does that mean that hearing voices and having hallucinations or cycling between mania and depression are good and fine and we should leave these alone and not treat them? Only a fool or sociopath (another possibly genetic condition) would say we should.

Like the sociopath, the homosexual is not deprived of free-will. Thus he or she is completely responsible for their behavior. Having a mental disorder is a terrible burden. Telling someone with a metal disorder that they are normal is the worst possible thing you can do. It is an inherently hateful profoundly evil thing. When you say homosexual desires are normal, you do great violence to people.
 
in any case, the question as posed by OP does not belong on the morality forum.
I see I have left out the second part of my question that would make this fit into the morality forum. Thank you for reminding me puzzleannie. 🙂

If it is a mental illness as many on this topic have suggested, does this make it a sin? Does it cancel out the “Unintentional ignorance” requirement for a mortal sin?

Catholic Catechism - 1860:
“Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures of pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.”

Respectfully,
Mark
 
I see I have left out the second part of my question that would make this fit into the morality forum. Thank you for reminding me puzzleannie. 🙂

If it is a mental illness as many on this topic have suggested, does this make it a sin? Does it cancel out the “Unintentional ignorance” requirement for a mortal sin?

Catholic Catechism - 1860:
“Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures of pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.”

Respectfully,
Mark
As has been mentioned before, the mental disorder of homosexuality does not impair free-will. Therefore, the individuals are fully culpable.

All people know that sexual relations outside of marriage is wrong. Furthermore, the internal struggle that many homosexuals describe, embarrassment about having homosexual desires, is also an indication that they know what they desire is wrong… Therefore, there can be no “unintentional ignorance”. However, there is often “willful ignorance” which does not excuse or mitigate anything. Lying to yourself does not excuse sin.

The passage you quoted above was intended to explain that people suffering from addictions like drug and alcohol abuse, may at least for the present, have some mitigations for continuing their some. But “diminish” does not mean “eliminate”, “excuse” or “pardon”.
 
As has been mentioned before, the mental disorder of homosexuality does not impair free-will. Therefore, the individuals are fully culpable.

All people know that sexual relations outside of marriage is wrong. Furthermore, the internal struggle that many homosexuals describe, embarrassment about having homosexual desires, is also an indication that they know what they desire is wrong… Therefore, there can be no “unintentional ignorance”. However, there is often “willful ignorance” which does not excuse or mitigate anything. Lying to yourself does not excuse sin.
I know many Straight couples, married who also have embarrassment about there attraction or feelings towards there partner.
 
I consider homosexuality natural and just one of many variations of human sexuality. It’s been unfairly anathematized by many societies and religions. Nonetheless, it’s a function of nature.
 
I consider homosexuality natural and just one of many variations of human sexuality. It’s been unfairly anathematized by many societies and religions. Nonetheless, it’s a function of nature.
I take it you are not releigious then? If one is religious and believes what you say above then once must beoeve in a ineot God that has wrongly allowed to be unfairly anathematized for 4,000 plus years.

BTW-this is a discussion forum-just stateing your opinion(an opinion that accuses just about everybody who has lived since the dawn of mankind as being bigots) you should at least try to tell us why you beleive the way you do.
 
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As has been mentioned before, the mental disorder of homosexuality does not impair free-will. Therefore, the individuals are fully culpable.

All people know that sexual relations outside of marriage is wrong. Furthermore, the internal struggle that many homosexuals describe, embarrassment about having homosexual desires, is also an indication that they know what they desire is wrong… Therefore, there can be no “unintentional ignorance”. However, there is often “willful ignorance” which does not excuse or mitigate anything. Lying to yourself does not excuse sin.
I know many Straight couples, married who also have embarrassment about there attraction or feelings towards there partner.

Also most children, all I know, when they find out about sex think its gross and disgusting, and why would you want to do that and struggle with it when they go through there teen years.

Hmmm is it a sign that they know it is wrong and its the evil society pressuring youth to get married and have sex when it is a mortal sin ever to have sex. .

A Well by some of your standards, it would appear so. :rolleyes:

Embarrasement or feelings are never a good indicator plus there is reason for the expression Catholic Guilt. We as a group feel guilty about everything.
False logic. Embarrassment about sex is natural, hence the desire for privacy. However all people know it’s place. Your conclusions are willfully ignore obvious facts. Your argument is not logically consistent. At least if I understood your post; the grammatical errors made it a bit difficult to follow.

And guilt is neither Catholic nor non-Catholic. It is just guilt.

All people know sex outside of marriage is wrong. That is part of natural law. You can deny this, but if you do, you will lack credibility because it is not sensible.
 
I believe there may be some prenatal causes for an innate predisposed condition of same gender attraction, however this does not excuse the behavior. One should still live a life of chastity regardless of who they are attracted too. I can’t view it as a mental disorder because this would suggest that all those who experience it are required to get treatment which is not the case.
 
False logic. Embarrassment about sex is natural, hence the desire for privacy. However all people know it’s place. Your conclusions are willfully ignore obvious facts. Your argument is not logically consistent. At least if I understood your post; the grammatical errors made it a bit difficult to follow.

And guilt is neither Catholic nor non-Catholic. It is just guilt.

All people know sex outside of marriage is wrong. That is part of natural law. You can deny this, but if you do, you will lack credibility because it is not sensible.
What are the obvious facts?

Natural law is constantly being argued as of what actually is part of it and what is not part of it. Ayn Rand said many things were part of the natural law that the church would disagree with. yet those ideas are present in many cultures.

Also Natural Law is a theory. There are many more theories you can base your “truth on” Its just the Catholic churches favorite one because they can make it up as they go. Afterall no one has actually seen it and even many in the church believe it cant be reached by reason alone because of original sin. Only divine revalation could help you to understand it. Yet even then we still have messed it up for a long time and probably will continue to mess it up.

Marriage is part of Natural law, yes it exists in many cultures, but your statement about sex being outside of Marriage being against natural law is wrong. It is expected, accepted, and even in some cultures revered, without guilt or concept of sin. It is not against natural law to have sex outside of marriage, if we want to look at the Majority of all time and all cultures, including early Judiasm not just your small christian world reference.

God never allowed things against Natural Law, he just loosened divine law. Sex outside of marriage, concubiange and even incest goes against divine law not natural law.
 
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